Mass Shootings and Gun Control

[Stranger]

Joe Biden has made it official. He is going after assault rifles. Makes you wonder where the money is going to come from for that? You ask, how is money involved?

Well, the assault rifles were bought legally by Americans. Price can range from $500.00 to $3000.00, per rifle. If Biden is going to make it illegal, then the U.S. must buy back all the assault weapons in America. Because they were obtained honestly and under the law. The cost is going to be astronomical. And gun shops and dealers have hundreds of these. All bought legally and protected. Millions of guns.

So, what will he do? Will he just declare them illegal and you must turn them in with no recompense? In other words, steal from the American people what they purchased legally, and now declare them criminals. That could well be, but that could have disastrous consequences. When your government becomes a blatant thief, there is sure to be resistance.

Perhaps he will just say, no more assault rifles can be bought or sold after a certain date. Takes nothing away from the millions here already.

And, what will the States say? A State may reject such a proposal. Will the Feds go against the State? What a can of worms Biden is going to open.

Interesting that everything the liberal left is proposing is going to cost and bankrupt Americans.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

@Taken

And what do you think our state would be now if the Second amendment was not there?

Stranger

MORE CORRUPT.

It would be disastrous, to remove the Bill of Rights NOW....

Reflecting on History...
If the common persons had Understood the LIMITS of the Constitution when it was Established, FROM the "get go", the Government trying to legislate that which they held NO Authority over, IMO, would have been REBELLED AGAINST.

Even the suggesting of an IDEA of a new Fed Law...and its Intent, was open to the Public, and if and when enacted into Law...It was NOT complicated....
Common to have a ONE PAGE, "slip bill", a FEW colleague supporters, a ONE PAGE LAW, describing the language of the Law, and Intent and Purpose of the Law, and WHO or WHAT that Law applied to....

TODAY....not unusual for ONE or TWO """THOUSANDS""" of pages all Stuffed under ONE HEADING, such as...an ACT to blah blah....Stuffed full of ALL Kinds of Nonsense and BS that has NOTHING to do with the original INTENT....and almost ALWAYS riddled with UNCONSTITUTIONAL provisions.

THAT ^^ Being ONE OF THEE MOST CORRUPT things the US Government Participates IN...and has sold to the American People, is simply as Business as Usual.

I get your point....However, I believe IF it had not been established IN the Constitution to begin with, PEOPLE would have RALLIED Against the Fed Govt, IF they TRIED to Control or Legislate over those things.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

It is the same old song and dance. There is a mass shooting and the liberals and left start hollering about more gun control.

Is there any who believe if there were no guns allowed in the U. S. that there would not be mass shootings? Foolish. If a person is willing to kill a vast amount of people, then they are willing to get a gun illegally.

All gun control is about is getting those guns out of the hands of conservative Christian right's hands. Notice how quick the latest shooters are branded white supremacist's or pro-gun fanatic's.

Yet, remember the shooting in Las Vegas of all those conservative people attending a country music festival. They never did give the shooters political background. Instead they were still looking for a motive because they just couldn't find one. The motive was clear. He was a liberal leftist who wanted to kill as many right wing conservatives that he could.

When the minority races or liberal left kill white people, it is never racist or political. It is always, the motive is just not known.

Don't be fooled. We have a problem in the U.S. But it isn't guns. It's people. We have created a secular and ungodly nation and are now reaping the benefits of it. The very people who are taking away God and Christ out of our society are the ones who will moan the loudest when these shootings occur.

Gun control is not the answer.

Stranger

Indeed. France has some of the toughest gun laws of any nation and it didn't stop the religious maniac who rented/stole (?) a tractor-trailer combination and killed 80+ people with it in Nice, in seconds. It also doesn't stop the frequent stabbing deaths which take place. Actually, the stats show that there are many, many more stabbing deaths throughout the world than there are deaths from gunshots. Our problem is murderers--not the method they use to carry out their evil deeds.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You are on the right track. Myself, I don't believe we could do better than the way Israel handles terrorism. The terrorist who is fanatical, wants to die for his cause or purpose. Thus he kills many more than they get of him. 10 to 1, or 20 to 1, whatever.

But in Israel, when a terrorist blows himself up and kill a bunch of people, his home, which involves his relatives home, is destroyed. Literally bull dozed to the ground. That way, go ahead and do your deed, but your family will pay.

Stranger

Israel can get away with that because they are in a desperate situation, but it would never fly here.

One common thread among all shooters is that nearly all are on psychotropic drugs--most of them have been on antidepressants. Mass killings were quite rare before the introduction of SSRI antidepressants, in the early 1980s (Prozac was the first). Pharmaceutical companies make a LOT of money off of psychotropic drugs and have warned that taking them may result in "suicidal or even homicidal ideation" in certain segments of the population (especially young males). Isn't that what those drugs were supposed to prevent??

In my role as a Biblical counselor, I counseled a number of Christian women who were on SSRI antidepressants and I can tell you that their thought processes were often hyper-emotional and non-rational. Now, it is hard to say which came first--non-rationality or depression--but, I feel quite certain that these women were NOT helped by the drugs they were taking. Studies have been done which show that antidepressants have little more than a placebo effect on the depression. And, from my observation, the thought-disorganization that occurs is much worse than depression. The way that SSRIs work is that they actually change the architecture of the brain! That is why patients are told that they must take them for a minimum of six weeks before they can expect to see changes in their mood.

I remember one woman in particular. When she was a child, she had been sexually/physically abused and severely neglected by two alcoholic parents. Her Christian husband was a frequent victim of her violent assaults, as well as her three children (a girl and two boys). The authorities had been informed and the family was working with child protective services--who would, at times, take custody of the children.

The woman was on at least SIX different psychotropic drugs and was extremely difficult to speak with because she was unable to form coherent sentences, even though I judged her to be quite intelligent. She was quite ingenious in figuring out ways to make all around her suffer. Her children appeared to be disturbed and the younger son was already setting fires and torturing animals (one classic characteristic of those who go on to become homicidal). I kept up with her posts on social media for a number of years and when last I checked, the older boy had become a police officer, and the girl had married and divorced an abuser. Both the daughter and older son were practicing Christians. There was no mention of the younger son in her posts and I wondered what became of him. Recently, I ran into an old friend who knew of the family. She said that the younger son was in prison for having provoked a fight with and then killing a man in a bar--he stabbed his victim to death.

This is the type of individual who murders: resentful, rage-filled, narcissistic to the point of being completely unable to empathize or sympathize with the suffering of others, often hates God and all who love Him because they feel that they are His victims. It is a story as old as the first murderer, Cain. Why do we have more Cains in our culture? Our once-believing populace (or at least, the vast majority were "God-fearing") has fractured into two groups. One of which, has abandoned all faith in God. Christians still hold the line but even the churches have been contaminated with extreme narcissism among some of their leaders. Once the Bride is taken away to heaven by the Bridegroom, it is easy to see why hell on earth will become a reality. Just as it was in the days before the Flood.

 

[Stranger]

@Lady Crosstalk

Appreciate that information. And I agree with what you say.

Stranger

 

[charity]

(Psa 12:8) The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

 

[Grailhunter]

Israel can get away with that because they are in a desperate situation, but it would never fly here.

One common thread among all shooters is that nearly all are on psychotropic drugs--most of them have been on antidepressants. Mass killings were quite rare before the introduction of SSRI antidepressants, in the early 1980s (Prozac was the first). Pharmaceutical companies make a LOT of money off of psychotropic drugs and have warned that taking them may result in "suicidal or even homicidal ideation" in certain segments of the population (especially young males). Isn't that what those drugs were supposed to prevent??

In my role as a Biblical counselor, I counseled a number of Christian women who were on SSRI antidepressants and I can tell you that their thought processes were often hyper-emotional and non-rational. Now, it is hard to say which came first--non-rationality or depression--but, I feel quite certain that these women were NOT helped by the drugs they were taking. Studies have been done which show that antidepressants have little more than a placebo effect on the depression. And, from my observation, the thought-disorganization that occurs is much worse than depression. The way that SSRIs work is that they actually change the architecture of the brain! That is why patients are told that they must take them for a minimum of six weeks before they can expect to see changes in their mood.

I remember one woman in particular. When she was a child, she had been sexually/physically abused and severely neglected by two alcoholic parents. Her Christian husband was a frequent victim of her violent assaults, as well as her three children (a girl and two boys). The authorities had been informed and the family was working with child protective services--who would, at times, take custody of the children.

The woman was on at least SIX different psychotropic drugs and was extremely difficult to speak with because she was unable to form coherent sentences, even though I judged her to be quite intelligent. She was quite ingenious in figuring out ways to make all around her suffer. Her children appeared to be disturbed and the younger son was already setting fires and torturing animals (one classic characteristic of those who go on to become homicidal). I kept up with her posts on social media for a number of years and when last I checked, the older boy had become a police officer, and the girl had married and divorced an abuser. Both the daughter and older son were practicing Christians. There was no mention of the younger son in her posts and I wondered what became of him. Recently, I ran into an old friend who knew of the family. She said that the younger son was in prison for having provoked a fight with and then killing a man in a bar--he stabbed his victim to death.

This is the type of individual who murders: resentful, rage-filled, narcissistic to the point of being completely unable to empathize or sympathize with the suffering of others, often hates God and all who love Him because they feel that they are His victims. It is a story as old as the first murderer, Cain. Why do we have more Cains in our culture? Our once-believing populace (or at least, the vast majority were "God-fearing") has fractured into two groups. One of which, has abandoned all faith in God. Christians still hold the line but even the churches have been contaminated with extreme narcissism among some of their leaders. Once the Bride is taken away to heaven by the Bridegroom, it is easy to see why hell on earth will become a reality. Just as it was in the days before the Flood.

What you say Lady Crosstalk is all truth and a good assessment of what is going on. As far as the medical community, it has long been the overriding guide to medical treatment, is that the treating of the disease or condition is more profitable than the curing of it. The psychotropic drugs that you speak of makes the problems worse and many time are the replacement for recreational drugs and no one is tracking how beneficial they are or how destructive they are. Just taking in the profits. We have opioid drug centers masquerading as Pain Centers.

Then there is the political and social aspects. Many years back the U.S. moved toward socialism. We have social security, welfare, medicaid, medicare, food stamps and there is a book about 2 inches thick of all the social programs you can apply for. Now some of this is necessary, but my point is that we have already moved in the direction of socialism. The American dream was that as a free citizen you had an equal opportunity to make something of yourself. Now it is going in the direction of a country were you can live for free, living off those that do work and are successful.

The democratic party is long since gone. What we have today is hard to describe, the democratic party in the U.S. is better defined as the American Communist Party....except even communists would control their boarders and enforce their laws. We are in the practice of coddling criminals at the expense of law abiding citizens. We have laws that hide those with violent mental diseases / conditions..whatever. We are loosing the youth, not bringing them up in the church. More and more have mental and behavior problems, of which you know more than me. They are feed this mental concept that drugs are fashionable and they are programmed by violent video games. When you consider all this, who in their right mind would be surprised that we have these mass shootings. Follow the news casts in St. Louis here, it is a war zone, but they are still erecting monuments to the criminals.

Gun control is mostly a pipe dream and an expression of ignorance. Since they want to coddle the criminals they do not want to face up to the fact that the government has supported disrespect for authority and lawlessness. In New York the police are being slandered and harassed on the streets. Guns do not cause crime, people cause crime, and besides that the cat is out of the bag, there are too many guns to consider confiscation, and it would only affect law abiding citizens. The criminals are not going to turn in their guns, you would just be disarming the public. Until the medical records of the mentally disturbed that are inclined to violence are available to law enforcement, background checks will not be effective. We are living with an insane social mind set, that is for sure and certain. Do we get rid of cars because of car accidents, get rid of people because of disease and get rid of laws because of crime? There is a growing hatred for the successful, and the parasites of society think their fair share is in someone else's pocket. Poor people do not employ people, it is just the way it works,

 

[aspen]

Sure is nice to read this thread.....pretty much every person I needed ignored....all in one place!

Stranger
Bobby Jo
Taken
Grailhunter
Lady Crosstalk

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

CNN is just the worst. Ever noticed how they always used to find a couple shoes here or there (camera crews probably brought their own) and then tossed them about on the sidewalk for dramatic effect? Well now it's dozens upon dozens of them, virtual mountains of shoes, bunched up in these huge piles, as if tens of thousands couldn't maintain a hold on their own footwear, and they show the image over and over and over and over and over. It's sickening and mentally insulting.

CNN does nothing but sensationalize and politicize the deaths of Americans in these instances. Why? They care nothing about the victims or their plight. Their only goals are to gain as much viewership as possible while furthering their own agenda.

Not to mention that they do not show what Islam does to people that they invaded, remember what they did to the people of Kuwait, no ? no you most likely don't because the media hid that from you all, claiming that they did not want you to be exposed to that sort of thing, the reality of it ! and why because they deem you unfit for the reality ? or are they trying to hide the fact, or is it hidden so as not to offend all the wimp's that can not handle the facts of the reality of truth.

I thought that the truth will set you free. free from such delusions, that may come to bite you in the future, but most just want to put their head in the sand hoping that the problem will just go away for them, because they cant's see past their own nose, typical of most lefty's that live in a fantasy world. Oh take guns away will solve the problem they claim, now where is the proof of the reality of that, Australia has strict Gun laws but we get people being shot by morons and such morons will always get a gun regardless of any laws.

Look at history of all the leaders that took the rights of their nations people to have guns, they were all mass murders in fact, Hitler, Stalin and the list just goes on and on with such Socialist Dictators, it always happens, because they claim that you have no rights and that they own you all and that's the difference with a Socialist State, such a government owns you and you lost your rights to own and control the Government, because such do not believe you worthy of such.

Half a million baby's are murdered in a year just in the USA alone, it's called abortion and now it's glorified as a human rights issue, but the fact is that it's truly a work of Satan and offering a Child sacrifice to their god that they are idolising Moloch in reality. abortion is glorified nowadays and the women are being awarded for it like some sort of hero to the socialist powers that be, just like the dunce of the class now gets rewarded now so he is made to feel like a winner as well. but that's socialism for ya, it's one huge lie that keeps all the fools happy.

 

[Stranger]

Sure is nice to read this thread.....pretty much every person I needed ignored....all in one place!

Stranger
Bobby Jo
Taken
Grailhunter
Lady Crosstalk

Yet you don't ignore, which is why you post. But don't worry, you are still 'golden aspen'. You are such a good man.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What I meant was 'at present' we cannot lock up all the liberal leftist politicians, as much as we would like to. Just as they cannot lock up all the conservative right politicians.

Such action will only be possible after a break up. Or a war. Which I believe is inevitable.

As far as the next election, you may be right. The enemy outnumber us. Prepare now as best you can for the worst. Be smart, and wise as a fox.

Stranger

What would happen to the economy if all the conservatives and right wing were locked up or killed by the Socialist, the socialist would have to end up having to think for themselves or die of starvation, not to mention that they could not run a business for a start because they live in a fantasy world and can't see past their own nose, they are just only spoilt brainwashed brats. Mushrooms ! fed what and kept in the dark.

 

[Helen]

I do agree that the problem is ' people ' but I honestly do not understand why anyone would need assault rifles, that is the side of the argument about gun control that I don't understand. I guess it's harder for me to understand because we don't have the same openness to guns in the uk , and there are strict laws about buying them.
Why do you need assault rifles ?
I get why you would need other types of guns, and why it would be impossible not to have them, it's just the assault weapons that baffle me
Rita

Anything except disarmament....
The only reason the gov wants to disarm is so they have an easy taken-over of the people. Control with no opposition.
Obviously we aren't in favour of the far, far right, the white supremacists, and the militia and how they act...but actually they too stand as a shield between the common man and the WWO full take over.

Just my point of view ....

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Yet you don't ignore, which is why you post. But don't worry, you are still 'golden aspen'. You are such a good man.

Stranger

Will someone please tell Aspen that I put him on "ignore" a long time ago.

 

[Helen]

Will someone please tell Aspen that I put him on "ignore" a long time ago.

Haha! He's a good guy....he is far too left for me...but I count him as a very good old friend.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Haha! He's a good guy....he is far too left for me...but I count him as a very good old friend.

I see that you got left off Apen's "hit list". The lunacy of the left becomes more and more obvious with each day that passes. Can't understand how anyone with at least one brain cell becomes a leftist. I guess they have no awareness of the totalitarian desires of leftist dictators and how they all have ended by committing genocide against their own people. The list is long: Mao (70,000,000 Chinese citizens killed by him and his minions); Stalin (20,000,000 Russians); Marxist, Pol Pot of Cambodia (at least 2 million Cambodians died in the "killing fields" there); North Korea (does anyone even know the number yet?); and Castro's Cuba--(at least 100,000 Cuban political prisoners have died). Ask the Cuban ex-pats in Florida how they feel about the Castro brothers. Ask the Venezuelans how they feel about Maduro and his Marxist government. Even Hitler pretended to be a socialist during his rise to power. (The word, "Nazi" is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party).

The "democratic socialist" nonsense needs to stop--Lenin said, "The goal of socialism is communism." As for citing the supposed "socialism" of the Scandinavian countries, that needs to be called out for the lie that it is, as well. They were NEVER socialist countries--merely capitalistic countries that had a strong sense of compassion for their own citizens. Now that they have been invaded by those who are eager to cash-in, we will see how long the generosity lasts. "Socialism is just fine until you run out of other people's money."

 

[Grailhunter]

I see that you got left off Apen's "hit list". The lunacy of the left becomes more and more obvious with each day that passes. Can't understand how anyone with at least one brain cell becomes a leftist. I guess they have no awareness of the totalitarian desires of leftists and how they all have ended by committing genocide against their own people. The list is long: Mao (70,000,000 Chinese citizens killed by him and his minions); Stalin (20,000,000 Russians); Marxist, Pol Pot of Cambodia (at least 2 million Cambodians died in the "killing fields" there); North Korea (does anyone even know the number yet?); and Castro's Cuba--(at least 100,000 Cuban political prisoners have died). Ask the Cuban ex-pats in Florida how they feel about the Castro brothers. Ask the Venezuelans how they feel about Maduro and his Marxist government. Even Hitler pretended to be a socialist during his rise to power. (The word, "Nazi" is short for National Socialist German Worker's Party).

The "democratic socialist" nonsense needs to stop--Lenin said, "The goal of socialism is communism." As for citing the supposed "socialism" of the Scandinavian countries, that needs to be called out for the lie that it is, as well. They were NEVER socialist countries--merely capitalistic countries that had a strong sense of compassion for their own citizens. Now that they have been invaded by those who are eager to cash-in, we will see how long the generosity lasts. "Socialism is just fine until you run out of other people's money."

So true! So true! Now you have the "snowflakes" that think that cow farts cause global warming! During this campaign the democrats are literally offering to buy votes! It would be funny if it was not so sad. Trump has done more then any president that I can remember, and obviously has an intent to fulfill campaign promise. The democrats have nothing real to work with so they have went to the completely absurd.

 

[Enoch111]

The democrats have nothing real to work with so they have went to the completely absurd.

But has the general public been given a comprehensive and cogent analysis of their absurd Leftist/Islamist ideas and their treachery? It is not enough to rely on Twitter or any other approach where there are just sound bites. Mr. Trump should devote a special broadcast from the oval office to the entire nation (and the world) spelling out ALL the dangerous ideas coming from the Left, and how they are destroying (and will) destroy America. At the same time he should expose the unprincipled and shallow RINOs so that the public does not see this as a partisan effort. Has this happened? This is not simply a matter of campaigning but statesmanship.

It is more than likely that a Democrat will simply steal the upcoming election because little or nothing has been done to address voter fraud and how illegals will sabotage the elections. I would not be surprised if the Democrats are churning out fake documents to enable illegals to vote for them.

 

[Stranger]

What would happen to the economy if all the conservatives and right wing were locked up or killed by the Socialist, the socialist would have to end up having to think for themselves or die of starvation, not to mention that they could not run a business for a start because they live in a fantasy world and can't see past their own nose, they are just only spoilt brainwashed brats. Mushrooms ! fed what and kept in the dark.

One has only to look at the history of socialist countries to see how it would go. Ours would be especially brutal due to the race factor.

Stranger

 

[JohnPaul]

I do agree that the problem is ' people ' but I honestly do not understand why anyone would need assault rifles, that is the side of the argument about gun control that I don't understand. I guess it's harder for me to understand because we don't have the same openness to guns in the uk , and there are strict laws about buying them.
Why do you need assault rifles ?
I get why you would need other types of guns, and why it would be impossible not to have them, it's just the assault weapons that baffle me
Rita

Our gun rights are based on our first 10 amendments to the Constitution of 1787. More commonly known as the 'Bill of Rights'.

This is not our original Constitution. Our original Constitution of 1776 was called the Articles of Confederation. In 1787 a bloodless coop occurred where this Constitution was thrown out the window and a new one created. Which is the one we are now under. But when this one occurred a lot of Americans had doubts about the purpose and intent of this new Constitution. Therefore they who oppossed this new Constitution demanded a 'Bill of Rights' in writing to be attached to this new Constitution. Why? Because they did not trust their government that threw away the other one.

The original framers of this Constitution did not want a Bill of Rights that were demanded by the populace. But they could not get it ratified without it. The Americans knew the importance of guns for 'defense' from oppressors. They were not concerned with hunting. They were concerned with being able to provide a defense from their own government when it comes against them....as governments do.

So this is why it is important...imperative...that the citizenry be allowed assault weapons. To go up against an armed army with only single shot shotguns, and a 22 pistol, is foolish. And the government knows it. The government knows that when the citizens posses assault rifles, they can can be stopped.

In other words, guns are for our protection against government when it turns on you.

Stranger

Stranger I've agreed with what you have said, with todays Military technology, would our weapons even make a difference, if the Government decided to take us over? They practically don't even need as many ground troops as they once did when taking over a foreign country, they use drones to take out Islamic terrorists. Who's to say they wouldn't do the same against us civilians if there were an uprising?

I'm against gun control for law abiding citizens, criminals don't apply for permits or follow the law in carrying firearms, so yes there is a need for firearms and for us to protect ourselves against them, here in New Jersey it's almost impossible to get a permit.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Haha! He's a good guy....he is far too left for me...but I count him as a very good old friend.

We should all wish the best for GOD's creation, especially for the "lost". -- But it IS more challenging when they PREFER to be "lost".


We all make choices,
Bobby Jo