The Wonders of the kingdom of God.

[marks]

But imo you have to sit in a cave and meet your monster for this to really be meaningful. Have to be happy with nothing. Living on Gratefulness or whatever lol. The hallucinating prolly helped, came a couple days after the monster. There's other accounts online...but basically an extreme denial of self produces an extreme result, and you meet the beast that has to be overcome or whatever, your will i guess yeh, you have to overcome your own will?

Gee . . . if that's all you're talking about, been there, done that, got the tee shirt, but it's a bit damaged!



not kidding though . . .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

casting lots is a great way to allow God a say imo, i would always include a third choice tho too, the I Dont Know, which i guess most lot-casters don't.

Cleromancy would be a problem though, yes, there is casting lots and then there is cleromancy, where all cannot know how to "read" the lots. Cast lots over every decision you make tomorrow and watch the miracle happen. Resolving I Dont Know will lead you straight off The Cliff too

Odd. you will cast lots but avoid a physician who has a coat with a snake on a pole. No judging. Just curious how casting lots is different from the bronze serpent?

 

[Nancy]

Gasp...I just said this this second
to my friend just now...in prayer....she passed yesterday...and all we ever talked about joyously was God!
But, I didn't want her to get distracted 'over there'....so many exciting things awaiting her...but still..only focus on Him..
Ha...even on the Other Side!

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend Miss Hepburn But, NOT sorry for where she is headed!

 

[bbyrd009]

Gee . . . if that's all you're talking about, been there, done that, got the tee shirt, but it's a bit damaged!



not kidding though . . .

ha well women just have a diff role in the world, so diff ego structures i guess. A sublimated ego does not need to be sitting in a cave alone, i guess the anger being held needs to be expressed usually.

 

[bbyrd009]

Odd. you will cast lots but avoid a physician who has a coat with a snake on a pole. No judging. Just curious how casting lots is different from the bronze serpent?

well, i would associate Nehushtan with "rolling bones," iow that term i found earlier and posted? Where only one guy can supposedly "interpret" the roll? But if 1,2=yes, 3,4=no, 5,6=i dont know, moot cast, do nothing there, or etc, and everyone knows these beforehand, seems to me that casting lots ends quarrels, and separates strong opponents myself, as the middleman has been removed? But its not something ive done lately, however when i am conflicted i would, iow the "strong opponents" are both me or whatever.

as to the Dr thing i just would not seek allopathy, an allopath, symptom treatment, and Drs are dedicated to allopathy, or they do not become doctors, in the west anyway. So fwiw i might go to a naturopath if i needed, or even a "lapsed" doctor who has eschewed allopathy, Joel Wallach or someone ("dead doctors don't lie"). But what most ppl deem "Dr" is strictly "witch doctor" to me, yes. Any Dr who would prescribe antibiotics needs to be taken out and maimed imo, they are murderers to me

Nehushtan obv relieved symptoms, and casting lots resolves disputes, which yeh i guess i can see why they might seem similar. But it might be seen how the middelman is removed in casting lots, whereas the Dr is the middleman in medicine, the only guy who can interpret the results?

 

[bbyrd009]

“it happens by chance”; the roll of the dice(or whatever they used back then. luck of the draw)...the casting of lots...how much foolishness is that? I don't know...it stands out “chance” “luck” “the short end of the straw” ...is important. doesn’t the Word reveal “chance” and “luck” doesn’t fit into a woven garment with so many threads interwoven man can never search the depths fully? foolishness to confound the wise? As in “you saw My wonders and miracles” yet still ...go get your god’s and idols to tell you the beginning from the end.

I def would not be casting lots in ref to Qs about the future or anything, if thats what you mean?

 

[bbyrd009]

"ViJ, justifiably angry."
"no image found"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I def would not be casting lots in ref to Qs about the future or anything, if thats what you mean?

No. Just wondering why no lots were cast for Paul’s position...not that I know of? Why they cast lots for His garment and why it is never mentioned after Judas position was filled. Why God even ever brought lot casting into it to begin with. Does it have anything to do with
Romans 9:11-12 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth [12] It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

So many questions ...you have a good point to the middle man being removed though...got that you meant that middle man is you(if I understood?). Was reading this just earlier. Hebrews 6:16
[16] For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

And considering what ...ends strife...then you posted of taking out the middle man.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"ViJ, justifiably angry."
"no image found"

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[VictoryinJesus]

I def would not be casting lots in ref to Qs about the future or anything, if thats what you mean?

Jonah 1:7-13
[7] And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah. [8] Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou? [9] And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land. [10] Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him, Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the Lord, because he had told them. [11] Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous. [12] And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you. [13] Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.

Matthew 8:24-26
[24] And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. [25] And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. [26] And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Jonah 1:15
[15] So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

The wonders of the Kingdom of God?

 

[bbyrd009]

So many questions

wadr imo you just need to come out of the cave, not go into it. Or from your perspective you prolly need to go rescue the little girl locked in the cave, bc see ViJ is not even here, in a way, hence why all the questions prolly. Which you just asked one i guess, which i cannot clarify, and would just skip over, except if i were you i would pursue these to see what they might tell you. So, what was the Q...

Just wondering why no lots were cast for Paul’s position...not that I know of?

i could make guesses, but why would you wonder this? How is it pertinent iyo? But a kneejerk reply is that Paul's position was undisputed, Paul was a traitor to the system, on the run from the law, with a price in his head, yeh, no lots need be cast to replace him, bc there is "no one?"

Why they cast lots for His garment

ah well imo that is a rather symbolically loaded passage, but the surface story gives enough clues, obv they cast lots for something precious they all wanted, that could not be divided without ruining it, and imo at least the casting lots there is not the "bad" part, the bad part is more like figting over the garment, appearance, outer shell, outside of the cup, while you are assassinating what gave you a clean cup inside, iow the casting lots is not evil there, the lack of understanding is? The not knowing what they (you) are even doing?

and why it is never mentioned after Judas position was filled.

well, lotta directions you might go there, lot i cant really say that would make sense w/o understanding...which foundation "Judas" was, and why he was "replaced," so i'll say that casting lots can be an expression of what is it? and this concept seems to be intentionally hidden, even if in plain sight, its something that must be sought, the last thing a logical thinker wants to seek.

Why God even ever brought lot casting into it to begin with.

well, lot casting goes with conflicts, yeh? But i dont see where God specifically ever did bring lot casting into it, except as a custom established OT, which seems to me they were honoring?

Does it have anything to do with
Romans 9:11-12 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth [12] It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

well if it does i'm not seeing it...except maybe in allowing God to elect, rather than holding an election? Like we do?

So many questions ...you have a good point to the middle man being removed though...got that you meant that middle man is you(if I understood?).

me, or anyone, sure, casting lots removes all people from the decision, yeh? That is the point?

Was reading this just earlier. Hebrews 6:16
[16] For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

And considering what ...ends strife...then you posted of taking out the middle man.

for men, yes, but we are told to not be doing that specifically elsewhere, right?

The wonders of the Kingdom of God?

sorry? what is the Q here?

 

[bbyrd009]

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ha well, who here can show me an image of ViJ, angry? Justifiably or not?
Anger is experienced as an emotion, true, but it is also a stand-in term for...when some action needs to be taken, some unpleasant house-cleaning or whatever needs to be done? Jesus whipped some guys in the temple, right, did His emotions get the better of Him maybe, for just a second? We must reply "no," yes? Even if the whippees would surely argue with that?

so imo you have questions bc your answers have been neglected, note that none of the answers you get satisfy? And none ever will, ok, imo, until you get that girl out of that cave she got locked in and let her whip some ass lol. Then all the questions will go away imo. I mean unless you are a babe, just got "saved" like two years ago? But why am i getting the impression you been raised in a "Christian" household then?

who are you mad, or rather not mad but should be, at? Stuffing is not forgiving, and you dont need me to tell you that stuffing emotions will kill one right.
You have something against God?
and that is not a question ok

 

[VictoryinJesus]

until you get that girl out of that cave she got locked in and let her whip some ass lol.

Here it was a cage...not a cave. Someone asked me once who opens the door...didn’t know the answer then. You might disagree on the answer. Thing was when the door was open...she was no longer angry. bs. Maybe. Will wait and see...you could be right.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jonah 1:7-13
[7] And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah. [8] Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou? [9] And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land. [10] Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him, Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the Lord, because he had told them. [11] Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous. [12] And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you. [13] Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.

Matthew 8:24-26
[24] And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. [25] And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. [26] And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Jonah 1:15
[15] So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

The wonders of the Kingdom of God?

well, when "the sea" and "the wind" and even "the boat" are correctly identified, sure. Note that casting lots there IDed the cause, of the symptoms, and is really quite um tangential, sorry lol, a...side-story there, where there was conflict, as opposed to where Jesus was "asleep," and we cannot say "asleep at the wheel" right, He was asleep bc there really was no problem, the "boat was being rocked," meh?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ah well imo that is a rather symbolically loaded passage, but the surface story gives enough clues, obv they cast lots for something precious they all wanted, that could not be divided without ruining it, and imo at least the casting lots there is not the "bad" part, the bad part is more like figting over the garment, appearance, outer shell, outside of the cup, while you are assassinating what gave you a clean cup inside, iow the casting lots is not evil there, the lack of understanding is? The not knowing what they (you) are even doing?

His was without seam and eternal...John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.—-good description of the Word. “Without seam, woven throughout.”

Can that be “ruined” by parting? Luke 3:9-11 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [10] And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? [11] He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

 

[bbyrd009]

Here it was a cage...not a cave. Someone asked me once who opens the door...didn’t know the answer then. You might disagree on the answer. Thing was when the door was open...she was no longer angry. bs. Maybe. Will wait and see...you could be right.

ok so a cage rather than a cave, better analogy, yeh

 

[bbyrd009]

His was without seam and eternal...John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.—-good description of the Word. “Without seam, woven throughout.”

Can that be “ruined” by parting?

i would say certainly, for the same reason "maturing as a Christian" and here a little there a little are not good things, after a certain very limited point. There is nothing to learn, there are no secrets to reveal, there is no knowledge that will satisfy. I do not know anything you need to know. You would be a much superior teacher to me, if you were really here. when you get here i mean, bc that is coming now. I would even be warning my fam if i were you tbh, bc there will be some misdirected anger too surely. Better be anyway imo.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

sorry? what is the Q here?

Wish there was time to respond to all above ...maybe later. Was questioning if too far off from the wonders of the Kingdom topic. Anything concerning God is a Wonder. (IMO)The mountain was taken up and cast into the sea. He came to save lives not so they would perish. Good point on the sleeping.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

i would say certainly, for the same reason "maturing as a Christian" and here a little there a little are not good things, after a certain very limited point. There is nothing to learn, there are no secrets to reveal, there is no knowledge that will satisfy. I do not know anything you need to know. You would be a much superior teacher to me, if you were really here. when you get here i mean, bc that is coming now. I would even be warning my fam if i were you tbh, bc there will be some misdirected anger too surely. Better be anyway imo.

One taken and the other left...which was taken and which was left. Never mind...

 

[bbyrd009]

Wish there was time to respond to all above ...maybe later. Was questioning if too far off from the wonders of the Kingdom topic. Anything concerning God is a Wonder. (IMO)The mountain was taken up and cast into the sea. He came to save lives not so they would perish. Good point on the sleeping.

ah, i'm not able to coalesce that into a single concept to reply to, sorry. Wonders of the kingdom topic? From casting lots?

mountains cast into the sea is a ref to Herod's building of Caesaria (Maritima) btw, wherein a mountain was removed to fill a bay so they could build the then-current Tel Aviv if you will, which immediately began sinking into the sea, i think? The "foundation on sand" ref would have been heard the same way then i guess. Also where the first gentile was supposedly converted, "Cornelius," (little horn) a Roman Centurion, hence another "mountain" cast into "the sea" yeh?