As Christ has 144000 members of his body, So Lucifer has 666 members of his body: these are they that fell away from God.
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As Christ has 144000 members of his body, So Lucifer has 666 members of his body: these are they that fell away from God.
Hello @'TheWind',
Thank you for responding. However, the 144,000 are sealed from among the 12 tribes (Revelation 7) and not members of Christ's Body. I do not recognise what you say of Lucifer having 666 members, or of him having 'a body' in that sense. That is not found in Scripture to my knowledge.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of His glory.'
(Ephesians 1:13)
Hello there,
This is the 'sealing' that I am interested in as one who is trusting in the finished work of Christ, and the Word of God to us, in Him.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
The 144000 are sealed with the same holy Spirit of the promise of eternal life. You have not the seal of God.
Bobby Jo
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Well, it appears that YOU have a SEAL, but it's not too late to consider JESUS!
Bobby Jo
Davy
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The idea of experts is a fleshy idea, doesn't come from God's Word.
To understand the timing of the "seven crowns" in Rev.12, you should have understood the event coupled with it involving the stars, which gives the timing of its existence.
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV
Davy
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Like I said folks, beware of false Jews that come here spreading lies against the Christian west, pointing to western nations as the seat of the coming Antichrist.
Jerusalem is where God's Word directly points to with the coming 'dragon' of Revelation. And that is where Jesus pointed directly to with the future event of the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel (see Dan.9:27 & Dan.11 & Matt.24).
Davy
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I have to correct you on that, the 144,000 of Rev.7 are... all... believers on Christ Jesus. The idea of God's sealing is about being sealed by The Holy Spirit for the end of this world. Revelation 7 is all about that sealing. The 144,000 represent those sealed of the seed of Israel, and the "great multitude" represents the sealed among the Gentiles. All... of them represent Christ's Church.
Furthermore, only about 1/3 of the 144,000 are believing Jews. They are all Israelites, but per Bible history, those who called theirselves Jews were the southern "kingdom of Judah", the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The rest of the seed of Israel, and thus the majority, were the ten northern tribes of the "kingdom of Israel".
The ten tribes were scattered out of the holy lands first, among the Gentiles, never to return. The ten tribes lost their heritage as part of Israel. Like God showed through His prophet Hosea, they would lose the feast days, new moons, sabbaths, etc., and go fully into their Baal worship they coveted. That happened to them, literally, but it did not happen to the Jews. The Jews kept their heritage of feasts, new moons, sabbaths, knew they were of Israel, even as it is to this day. When The Gospel was preached outside the holy lands, that is when lost Israel (ten tribes) were brought back into the fold through Christ Jesus, even though they remained scattered among the Gentiles, and the majority of them still without knowledge of who they were, as it still is to this day. That is about Christ's Church, made up of both believing Israel and believing Gentile, both forming one body in Christ Jesus.
Thus of the 144,000 of Rev.7, only the believers of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi represent today's Jews in Christ's Church. The rest of those tribes there represent ten lost tribe Israelites among Christ's Church.
The Pre-tribulational Rapture doctors teach differently about the 144,000. They instead push the idea of those 144,000 being all Jews, and as 'tribulation saints', treating them as unbelievers until during the tribulation after the Church is raptured, some of those Jews come to Jesus and believe on Him. That idea was added by the Brethren movement and John Darby's followers in 1800's Britain. It is an idea not written in Scripture, but solely based on their pre-trib rapture theory.
Philip James
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Hello Davy,
Indeed! And I think i know where I might find 144000 virgins consecrated to our Lord and Saviour!
Peace be with you!
Bobby Jo
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... teachers, who come here spewing mis-information/dis-information/ mis-truths/mis-statements. They don't know what they're talking about,but talk all the more.
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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... So one question which I believe @pompadour (or maybe it was @Keraz) touched on, was the 153 fish.
THE 200 CUBITS
Now the Disciples were 200 cubits from shore, and apparently because "10" is the "number of completion", there is a precedent of multiplying a given number (200) by ten and arriving to an allowable "2,000", -- or maybe not. But we are approximately 2,000 years from Jesus' resurrection.
THE 153 FISH
Secondly, if we stay true to the U.N. being the end time one-world-government, we might consider whether there are 153 nations in the United Nations. But interestingly, if you go to the U.N. homepage, they'll list the participating nations, but don't provide a sum. So rather than counting the number of participating nations, it's easier to rely on others, who provide a total of 193. So the numbers aren't equal.
But if we consider that there's a fish on the fire (the State of Israel) that's 154; and if we consider that a number of small nations have agreements with larger nations which represent them, we might actually have an actual count of 154 actual representatives in the United Nations.
So the question is: Are the 200 Cubits and the 154 FISH prophetic for the United Nations? -- I would appear to be!
Bobby Jo
John 21:8 But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from land, but about two hundred cubits), dragging the net with fish. 9 Then, as soon as they had come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish which you have just caught.”
11 Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three ...
11 Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty-three ...
THE 200 CUBITS
Now the Disciples were 200 cubits from shore, and apparently because "10" is the "number of completion", there is a precedent of multiplying a given number (200) by ten and arriving to an allowable "2,000", -- or maybe not. But we are approximately 2,000 years from Jesus' resurrection.
THE 153 FISH
Secondly, if we stay true to the U.N. being the end time one-world-government, we might consider whether there are 153 nations in the United Nations. But interestingly, if you go to the U.N. homepage, they'll list the participating nations, but don't provide a sum. So rather than counting the number of participating nations, it's easier to rely on others, who provide a total of 193. So the numbers aren't equal.
But if we consider that there's a fish on the fire (the State of Israel) that's 154; and if we consider that a number of small nations have agreements with larger nations which represent them, we might actually have an actual count of 154 actual representatives in the United Nations.
So the question is: Are the 200 Cubits and the 154 FISH prophetic for the United Nations? -- I would appear to be!
Bobby Jo
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Bobby Jo
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Yeah I make a LOT of mistakes, just ask my wife, -- but I hope you enjoyed the prospect of a prophetic 153 fish!
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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It would interest me if the J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" concept* is a card you're still holding, or have discarded!
* I.e., 19th Book of the Bible (prophetic for the 1900's), Chapter for year, -- such that Book 19, Chapter 44 = 1944 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel; Book 19, Chapter 91 = 1991 Desert Storm; etc.
Bobby Jo
It would interest me if the J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" concept* is a card you're still holding, or have discarded!
I never heard of the J.R. Church. I have heard discussions about the 1900s in the Bible. also the number of psalms for dates. I never had the concept card. didn't Jesus hide many things in parables ? and then explained them to the Apostles so they were not hidden from us?
There is much more that we don't know about what Jesus did and said then what we do know.
The Apostle John said that Jesus did and said many things that were not written down in books. and if they were, I don't think the world could contain them. that sounds like a lot.
like when Jesus went into the town and as He come out. Nothing about what He did and said in that town was written down.
Was not Daniel told to seal up ( hid ) the book till the end time ? what is still hidden in that book?
Hear a little there a little, precept on precept, line upon line and you will know the truth.
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Davy
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J.R. Church is a Dispensationalist, and on Darby's Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. So whatever he espouses, it will have that taint on it. Beware brethren.
Bobby Jo
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Ummmmmm, the "line upon line, precept upon precept" is a PUNISHMENT, not reward.
But regarding the Prophetic Psalms, the concept is better than the book, but you have to read the Psalms in context with the 1900's to receive what GOD has for HIS children. And the more you know about modern Jewish history, the more the Psalms align with those years. -- But let me ask if you're aware that the Daniel 9 "going forth of the word" is NOT from a man-king but from GOD HIMSELF (according to Edward Young). And if there were a Psalm which provided that "going forth of the word", it would have to pre-date Psalms 48. So now I'll ask, -- which Psalm provides that "going forth of the word"?
Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.
Bobby Jo
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