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GodsGrace

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Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
bb,
the word CHOOSE does not exist in the vocabulary of a die-hard calvinist.

The bible also contains the words FREE WILL....this is also neglected.

Philemon 14 or 1:14
but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.


I mean, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
To think God WHO IS LOVE, created some people to send them to hell.

What else needs to be said?

Of course I won't speak to either the breadman
OR
Kermos.

by speak, I mean have a conversation.
 
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In your post number 1014 on this page 51, you wrote "Not until 1,500 years after Jesus died did the idea come to man that perhaps we do not have free will", which demonstrates your fabricated history. GODSGRACE, YOU TOLD A LIE - YOU BORE FALSE WITNESS - HERE IS TRIPLE PROOF.

First, Lord Jesus taught that man can not choose (free will) God when He said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16). This is the Word of God, and indisputable.

Second, the Apostle Paul taught that man can not choose (free will) God when he wrote "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). This is Biblical scripture, and indisputable.

Third, according to historians, in the fifth century (during the 400's), Augustine argued in favor of monergism (God's control) against the heretical teaching of Pelagius who argued in favor of synergism (man's control/man's free will to choose). The records of the Augustine's writings are commentary - because his writings are NOT the Bible - he quotes the Bible - but Augustines's writings are not the Bible.

Your false witness against the Word of God alone is telling of your deception. The third item shows how unstudied about history you are.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.

Oh. I'm sorry.
Did I give you the impression I'd ever carry on a conversation with you?

MISTAKE.
 

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the word CHOOSE does not exist in the vocabulary of a die-hard calvinist
mithraists function on absolute truths i guess, and i havent found one yet with any beliefs at all myself. Hey, has he told you "it is written" yet? Lol. I'd love to know if so. Well, guess he sorta already has. That right eye is just offending all over the place huh
 
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Woe to free-willer and chooser advocates who fail to hear Lord Jesus' critical words of "I say to you" followed by His command ", ask, " and another command "; seek, " and another command "; knock, " - all these commands are followed by precious promises (Luke 11:9-10, see next paragraph)!

The Only Mighty One, Jesus - the Great Opener of Ears, said "So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened" (Luke 11:9-10).

@Taken, see and hear the powerful Word of God!

Prior posted 'woe to you free willers' (in this thread)

Proofs of Freewiller's Distortions of Scripture includng the Lord Jesus' words of "you did not choose me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) (in this thread)
 

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all these commands
that we all have a choice whether to follow or not? Hello?
Will you ever set a toe on the path, kermos? Will you ever stop Standing There like a doofus, and abandon your podium and your delusions of grandeur? I hope so, ok

i mean i know the fruit of the tree of knowledge is sweet on the tongue ok bro, but you gotta at least try imo
 
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Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

"Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"

Correct.

John 6
[70] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Are you BreadofLife in disguise?
The only Bread of Life that I know is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 6:35).

You claim to choose the Bread of Life yet you deny the true Bread of Life because you claim to do the opposite - a fact which the Bread of Life clearly states with "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 

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Oh. I'm sorry.
Did I give you the impression I'd ever carry on a conversation with you?

MISTAKE.
A liar cannot be trusted.

GodsGrace, an examination of where you indisputably lied very recently is due.

Your bold-faced lie about your use of commentaries quoted and exposed in my post #968 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

Your disinformation campaign (fake news) about the first 1,500 years where you lie that no one discerned the Sovereignty of God in salvation quoted and exposed in my post #1018 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

Another case of you lying quoted and exposed in my post #1016 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

The leaven of your deceit leavens the whole loaf of your theology (Galatians 5:9). The father of lies is the devil (John 8:44).

For we Christians, Word is Truth (John 14:6).

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
 

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Correct.

John 6
[70] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Glory to God,
Taken
All that you proven is that nobody can choose Lord Jesus as well as that Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), is in control.

Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 

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This is pure slander. And that is about all that Calvinists can come up with since they oppose the true Gospel.
Truth is not slander.

I am a Christian that recites Christ's teaching - the true Gospel.

I am not a Calvinist.

Even though you have been repeatedly presented with contextually accurate scripture, you claim to be able to choose Jesus in directly prideful opposition to the Majestic Lord Jesus' words of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) and "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

Your absence of scripture to support choice toward God is very telling that the gospel of choice by man toward God is a lie. Armenianism is a deadly lie.

God is in control.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
 

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bb,
the word CHOOSE does not exist in the vocabulary of a die-hard calvinist.

The bible also contains the words FREE WILL....this is also neglected.

Philemon 14 or 1:14
but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.


I mean, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
To think God WHO IS LOVE, created some people to send them to hell.

What else needs to be said?

Of course I won't speak to either the breadman
OR
Kermos.

by speak, I mean have a conversation.
Wrong again, GodsGrace, the Apostle Paul does not agree with your interpretation.

"but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness should not be as it were by compulsion, but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14)

Behold the words "as it were" (or similarly "in effect" being less descriptive of the Greek) which means an appearance of but not truly. The Apostle Paul did not contradict Lord Jesus' words in John 15:16 - despite how terribly you want that to be the case.

This has already been covered, please see the first post of page 51.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
 

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A liar cannot be trusted.

GodsGrace, an examination of where you indisputably lied very recently is due.

Your bold-faced lie about your use of commentaries quoted and exposed in my post #968 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

Your disinformation campaign (fake news) about the first 1,500 years where you lie that no one discerned the Sovereignty of God in salvation quoted and exposed in my post #1018 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

Another case of you lying quoted and exposed in my post #1016 in this thread, and my post links back to your post via the thread.

The leaven of your deceit leavens the whole loaf of your theology (Galatians 5:9). The father of lies is the devil (John 8:44).

For we Christians, Word is Truth (John 14:6).

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
Since there is NO WAY to know if JESUS CHOSE ME....

I guess I'll stop calling myself a Christian.
 

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Wrong again, GodsGrace, the Apostle Paul does not agree with your interpretation.

"but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness should not be as it were by compulsion, but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14)

Behold the words "as it were" (or similarly "in effect" being less descriptive of the Greek) which means an appearance of but not truly. The Apostle Paul did not contradict Lord Jesus' words in John 15:16 - despite how terribly you want that to be the case.

This has already been covered, please see the first post of page 51.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
Please try not speaking to me.
 

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Are

you one of the elect? And if so, how do you know it?
Did you see my post 1035?

This is a very important point.
If GOD chooses US,,,
HOW can we know we are the chosen?

Hope an answer comes our way.
 

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you one of the elect? And if so, how do you know it?

By every Word from God in the Scriptures, e.g., "When they examined me (for every cause of death was found in me), I was constrained to appeal unto God that I had nothing in defence. For this cause therefore the Lord called for me, to see me, and to speak to me, because that for The Hope of Israel God bound me with this chain of faith which we know everywhere is spoken against." You cannot find it in your Bible? No, you cannot, though it's there, written, for me!