Once Saved Always Saved Garbage Teaching!!

[Grailhunter]

I attended a friends church and i discerned division the very first time I went. She assured me this was a strong loving church and everyone welcomed you with love.
Two weeks later the pastors wife and newborn son had packed and moved to Mexico....2 weeks after that the pastor was living with his mistress (a married couple from his congregation, who divorced so the 2 of them could be together).
2 months after that over half the congregation left that church.
By the end of the year the church shut down and all the sheep were scattered and hurt.
That is evil!

agreed

 

[Grailhunter]

My belief is man is lost and without Gods calling and warming our hearts we would never seek Him.
Does God call all equally, and only those who hear respond or God only calls those who will hear, I do not
know.
Holding that people can walk away from Jesus is not a calvinist position.

Now my friend if you say I am lying, you already are only hearing your own accusations. On this type of
dispute

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good
Titus 1

I have met many who believe only their own projections and believe they have spotted the evil truth and
are going to corner these evil people and expose them. The problem with this idea, is you cannot defend
oneself against an accusation is the other party say you are lying. It is just a slanging match. But God bless you

Ahhhh Sounds so sweet...lets hear some more! Hard to believe you have been so persecuted for such sweetness... Certainly an elect like yourself does not deserve such things! Do you believe you were predestined to be persecuted?

 

[ScottA]

Let's keep fighting back and forth like little children...ignoring Paul's exhortation in Galatians 5:15...biting and devouring one another with quip after quip.

What you can't handle is that I have exposed you recently as a false teacher...because you continue to fail the test of 1 John 4:1-3 (kjv) and 2 John 1:7 (kjv)....

And therefore your only recourse has been to go on the offensive, and to bite and scratch at me in order to try and get some semblance of a following back for yourself...because anyone who sees what is written in the holy scriptures will not follow you because of me.

Because your doctrine is gnostic to the core.

I have all the love in the world for you, as long as you don't devour one of the sheep that I am watching over.

If you go back to eating fruit (your eating pattern before the fall), you might even be fed.

No, you are a squirming snake accusing me of every evil you yourself are doing daily. It is called psychological projection, and you can't help yourself, blindly blaming everyone but yourself for your own problems.

If it is not so...then stop.

 

[FollowHim]

I attended a friends church and i discerned division the very first time I went. She assured me this was a strong loving church and everyone welcomed you with love.
Two weeks later the pastors wife and newborn son had packed and moved to Mexico....2 weeks after that the pastor was living with his mistress (a married couple from his congregation, who divorced so the 2 of them could be together).
2 months after that over half the congregation left that church.
By the end of the year the church shut down and all the sheep were scattered and hurt.
That is evil!

That is the true inheritence of the flesh over faithfulness and love. I spoke to a guy I was working with, and their question
to me was, if a woman offered sex without anyone else knowing what would I do? I said walk away.
He confessed that I was the first to answer this way. Sadly our society does not know the desire is very short lived,
but its effects are life changing. In Jesus there will be vulnerable people who need care and support, but opportunity does
not lead to sin, because we know love conquers death. Pauls approach was simple

1 Treat younger men as brothers,
2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.
1 Tim 5

Unfortunately some believe their connection with another is more important than there connection with Christ and His
people. When passions run cold, the damage cannot be undone. A pastor and church leader both fell for this in our
church, unresolved ambition and desire, over loving caring people who deserved better. So much blindness and blind
ambition. And then to claim one has something stronger than the world becomes a joke.

When you see love applied, faithfulness, humbleness and people grow in support and boundaries, you know why the
Kingdom is so precious, yet also fragile. How many are destroyed to depression, suicide, despair because faithfulness,
honesty and integrity are not held to? If one could sees the Lords ways, His purity and intimacy with His people, one
begins to see the Kingdom of God on earth. This transcends anything the flesh offers, though it appears few have yet to see
this. God bless you

 

[Heart2Soul]

I know brothers and sisters in
Christ who put their security in Christ in terms of OSAS.

The principle of following the Lord and doing good and not evil is not up for debate in scripture. It is the foundation of the Kingdom. But this group not only say this does not matter, that those who follow Jesus are self righteous hypocrites. And what is surprising to me is this
is the only reason they have of condemning me.

In the end the elect will follow Jesus.

Key words and phrases....am I picking up on something here?

I wonder if OSAS was intended to mean once born again you cannot become unborn.
When I was a young immature Christian I almost gave up because no matter how hard I tried I always messed up.
I was so stressed about going to hell that i didn't have joy in my salvation but rather constant anxiety that I might sin and immediately after be killed in an accident of some kind before I could repent.
Praise God I discovered His Mercy and Grace is new every day!

 

[Grailhunter]

I wonder if OSAS was intended to mean once born again you cannot become unborn.
When I was a young immature Christian I almost gave up because no matter how hard I tried I always messed up.
I was so stressed about going to hell that i didn't have joy in my salvation but rather constant anxiety that I might sin and immediately after be killed in an accident of some kind before I could repent.
Praise God I discovered His Mercy and Grace is new every day!

You are are giving a good and honest testimony. So answer me this; God the Father and God the Son came up with a plan to save humanity. What are the chances they failed? The Trinity probably had a good plan....not to much failure.

 

[FollowHim]

Ahhhh Sounds so sweet...lets hear some more! Hard to believe you have been so persecuted for such sweetness... Certainly an elect like yourself does not deserve such things! Do you believe you were predestined to be persecuted?

Hi Grail, you appear to be mocking.
One member spent months trying to pin "sin" on me and confessed he was "giving" me a hard time.
What inspired him? He saw himself 20 years previously and said I was him. And all I shared was what I have
shared here. So please, tell me what I am guilty of that is wrong?

What this member thought of was his own past? He confessed he sinned daily and continued in sin constantly.
He was though a ultra-legalists and regarded everything as sinful. So we are guilty of every neligence ever because
we did not protest. See a poor person, we must help them or we are guilty of sin. Greet someone without noticing
something, we are guilty of sin. Do anything not of faith, we are guilty of sin. The list of sins is infinite, so the failure
is complete. In this way he invalidated Christs forgiveness and purification, because nothing he does is acceptable in
Christ. Worse still to say this, is also lying. So I can never win. In his eyes I am evil, as he is evil, and Jesus accepts
us no matter what. To me this fellow was unhinged, yet many claimed to respect him despite his thorns and thistles
approach. His claim to authority was a war on the self righteous. Only problem is this is not a ministry of God, or
anything to do with the gospel. Jesus praised those who walked righteously, and sad we should follow their teaching but
not their hypocrisy or show.

Unfortunately from your words "Grail", I have fallen into your liar, evil grouping. Do you see this is a trap of your own
making and damages your soul? If you cannot see good people, love and truth, what hope have you to avoid evil and
deception? Dear Lord, Help this brother to see your words of peace and reconciliation, to walk with people where they
are, and to carry burdens and hurts that bind them closely and minister your freedom and grace with the promise to set
them free. Praise you Lord that you answer to all those who call, In Jesus Christs name, Amen.

God bless you

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi Grail, you appear to be mocking.
One member spent months trying to pin "sin" on me and confessed he was "giving" me a hard time.
What inspired him? He saw himself 20 years previously and said I was him. And all I shared was what I have
shared here. So please, tell me what I am guilty of that is wrong?

What this member thought of was his own past? He confessed he sinned daily and continued in sin constantly.
He was though a ultra-legalists and regarded everything as sinful. So we are guilty of every neligence ever because
we did not protest. See a poor person, we must help them or we are guilty of sin. Greet someone without noticing
something, we are guilty of sin. Do anything not of faith, we are guilty of sin. The list of sins is infinite, so the failure
is complete. In this way he invalidated Christs forgiveness and purification, because nothing he does is acceptable in
Christ. Worse still to say this, is also lying. So I can never win. In his eyes I am evil, as he is evil, and Jesus accepts
us no matter what. To me this fellow was unhinged, yet many claimed to respect him despite his thorns and thistles
approach. His claim to authority was a war on the self righteous. Only problem is this is not a ministry of God, or
anything to do with the gospel. Jesus praised those who walked righteously, and sad we should follow their teaching but
not their hypocrisy or show.

Unfortunately from your words "Grail", I have fallen into your liar, evil grouping. Do you see this is a trap of your own
making and damages your soul? If you cannot see good people, love and truth, what hope have you to avoid evil and
deception? Dear Lord, Help this brother to see your words of peace and reconciliation, to walk with people where they
are, and to carry burdens and hurts that bind them closely and minister your freedom and grace with the promise to set
them free. Praise you Lord that you answer to all those who call, In Jesus Christs name, Amen.

God bless you

Ya I would agree that I am not the first one to spot you. Spotting wolves in sheep's clothing seems to be a talent. So if you wish to engage in theology I am ready.

 

[Heart2Soul]

That is the true inheritence of the flesh over faithfulness and love. I spoke to a guy I was working with, and their question
to me was, if a woman offered sex without anyone else knowing what would I do? I said walk away.
He confessed that I was the first to answer this way. Sadly our society does not know the desire is very short lived,
but its effects are life changing. In Jesus there will be vulnerable people who need care and support, but opportunity does
not lead to sin, because we know love conquers death. Pauls approach was simple

1 Treat younger men as brothers,
2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.
1 Tim 5

Unfortunately some believe their connection with another is more important than there connection with Christ and His
people. When passions run cold, the damage cannot be undone. A pastor and church leader both fell for this in our
church, unresolved ambition and desire, over loving caring people who deserved better. So much blindness and blind
ambition. And then to claim one has something stronger than the world becomes a joke.

When you see love applied, faithfulness, humbleness and people grow in support and boundaries, you know why the
Kingdom is so precious, yet also fragile. How many are destroyed to depression, suicide, despair because faithfulness,
honesty and integrity are not held to? If one could sees the Lords ways, His purity and intimacy with His people, one
begins to see the Kingdom of God on earth. This transcends anything the flesh offers, though it appears few have yet to see
this. God bless you

The Holy Spirit corrected my thinking towards pastors.....He said mankind will always fail you....keep your eyes on Jesus....He never fails. Furthermore, you must pray for your leaders in a church setting because they are continually attacked by the enemy through the very church members he is responsible for.
And of course some even through seducing spirits...never assume a church leader has no struggles....they struggle as you do at times.

 

[FollowHim]

I wonder if OSAS was intended to mean once born again you cannot become unborn.
When I was a young immature Christian I almost gave up because no matter how hard I tried I always messed up.
I was so stressed about going to hell that i didn't have joy in my salvation but rather constant anxiety that I might sin and immediately after be killed in an accident of some kind before I could repent.
Praise God I discovered His Mercy and Grace is new every day!

I met my wife when I was 27. I knew the Lord and His love in my life. I knew I was secure in Him through the cross.
But yet I still did not trust people, or was able to be open. I met this young lady and got to know her. Part of me was
touched by who she was and I wanted to know more and share. I needed to open up, to face rejection and yet know it
did not matter if I was rejected. I was rejected, but I managed to share something I cared deeply about.

Over the next few years I learnt how to share affection using touch. A whole childhood where touch just was not used.
It is hard to put into words where people are at and the different stages people go through and how the Lord heals and
changes us. I know He can and does. But I also know this walk is about pain, rejection, hardship, hurt, and then rejoicing.
Until we break these boundaries and risk things, love is bounded. Like sharing here, I care deeply about these issues, yet
I know in Him I am secure, and it is this light that shines. Our weakness shows His strength, our reaching out, His healing.
God bless you

 

[Heart2Soul]

You are are giving a good and honest testimony. So answer me this; God the Father and God the Son came up with a plan to save humanity. What are the chances they failed? The Trinity probably had a good plan....not to much failure.

They cannot fail....the plan is to offer all of mankind salvation through believing on Jesus as our saviour. Accepting or rejecting that offer is a choice we must make on our own.

 

[Grailhunter]

They cannot fail....the plan is to offer all of mankind salvation through believing on Jesus as our saviour. Accepting or rejecting that offer is a choice we must make on our own.

Good to hear the Truth.....

 

[FollowHim]

Ya I would agree that I am not the first one to spot you. Spotting wolves in sheep's clothing seems to be a talent. So if you wish to engage in theology I am ready.

Hi Grail,

I am unsure what you mean. Do you know what a sheep is?

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10

A sheep listens to Jesus and follows Him. So my friend do you follow Jesus?
Jesus's way is purity in heart, love at our core, love of God from our hearts, soul and mind and love of
our neighbour as ourselves. If you do this then we are brothers in Christ.

A wolf comes with harm and destruction, wishing to discourage and upset others with behaviour that is
evil and theology that causes damage to their walk and love of God. So who are you?
An encourager or a discourager? Jesus called us to learn His ways and walk in them. This is loving Jesus.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi Grail,

I am unsure what you mean. Do you know what a sheep is?

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10

A sheep listens to Jesus and follows Him. So my friend do you follow Jesus?
Jesus's way is purity in heart, love at our core, love of God from our hearts, soul and mind and love of
our neighbour as ourselves. If you do this then we are brothers in Christ.

A wolf comes with harm and destruction, wishing to discourage and upset others with behaviour that is
evil and theology that causes damage to their walk and love of God. So who are you?
An encourager or a discourager? Jesus called us to learn His ways and walk in them. This is loving Jesus.

lol So tell us, give us your testimony of how and why you have been persecuted.

 

[FollowHim]

lol So tell us, give us your testimony of how and why you have been persecuted.

Hi Grail,

I am simply asking you what you are saying I have said is wrong?
You have used very provocative language, so please be specific, or else you are just bearing false witness.

You may not be aware of what sin is, and what standing against God and His people is?
John was very specific and simple

11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1

I was talking with a muslim once, he was a radical and declared he would have been happy to kill me. Thankfully this was
the internet, and he could do nothing in reality. This is one reason I was happy to challenge him about his faith.
It is easy to persecute people, to slander and abuse them. Jesus was called filled with an evil spirit.

24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand."
Matt 12

If you notice the principle is either you support Gods people or you speak against them.
Persecution is about being disparaging against those who stand by Gods word.
God bless you.

 

[Grailhunter]

All so sweet. Again tell us, give us your testimony of how and why you have been persecuted.

 

[FollowHim]

All so sweet. Again tell us, give us your testimony of how and why you have been persecuted.

Sound like you are robotic stuck in a loop.
I have no problems with opposition, or Gods word. I have shared my heart and words.
Please tell me what you feel I have shared that is wrong.

Or is the problem you have nothing, so to come with nothing is to admit you came with an unfounded
accusation. Jesus was put in the same situation.

46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
John 8

The problem with false accusations is they display the intention of the heart and whether people belong to God
or not. And once exposed it is impossible to put back in the box.

Once a member did apologise for their approach, and wanted reconciliation. I doubt how deep this went, but
then only God truly knows. All we can do is testify to the light and His words. The rest is between God and
each individual. And for this I say amen, because I know only my own life and cannot judge another.
God bless you

 

[Grailhunter]

Sound like you are robotic stuck in a loop.
I have no problems with opposition, or Gods word. I have shared my heart and words.
Please tell me what you feel I have shared that is wrong.

Or is the problem you have nothing, so to come with nothing is to admit you came with an unfounded
accusation. Jesus was put in the same situation.

46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
John 8

The problem with false accusations is they display the intention of the heart and whether people belong to God
or not. And once exposed it is impossible to put back in the box.

Once a member did apologise for their approach, and wanted reconciliation. I doubt how deep this went, but
then only God truly knows. All we can do is testify to the light and His words. The rest is between God and
each individual. And for this I say amen, because I know only my own life and cannot judge another.
God bless you

You are evasive and talk in circles....and think you can conceal what you are....not working.

 

[FollowHim]

All so sweet. Again tell us, give us your testimony of how and why you have been persecuted.

"All so sweet"

Is there a problem with walking in love? Is it a cynic who says this is impossible, there must be some
twisted fake person underneath who is waiting to burst out.

I wonder how many have truly met Jesus and know who and what He said. A sign of Gods people is
"love". This is not superficial being nice to people this is true empathy and openness, speaking about
things of the heart, our hurts, His healing and forgiveness and working through our conflicting motivations.

A sister in my house group found these notions at first difficult to begin to take on board. Now she sees
love that sent Christ to the cross is powerful and full of blood, sweat and tears, not soft and fluffy, or fake
and hollow. If you see what happens to people who do not know true love touching their lives, you would
not wonder at love, but why sin is believed and pretending is counted of greater value than the love that
drove Christ to give His life for us. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

You are evasive and talk in circles....and think you can conceal what you are....not working.

I talk in circles? I am evasive? I conceal what I am?
Look accuser. You come from a bad place and think you can judge when you know nothing
other than your own experience. False accusations are worthless. Unfortunately Jobs friends
were full of their theories and ideas, yet fell short of seeing either God or Job.

You are on trial, when you come with thorns and thistles hoping to harm another.
If you are in Christ you are bound to love your brothers and sisters in Christ.
Do you love me? If not you do not know Jesus. And this is the point. Those who are Gods people
deserve our love for Christ lives within them. It is why Jesus emphasised those whom He sends
if we open the door we are inviting Him in. And those we reject, we are rejecting Him in the same
way.

It is this very reality Jesus uses to judge the sheep and the goats at the end of time.
So we must beware both how we judge and how we respond to His people. God bless you

I love you in Christ and welcome you as a brother if you testify to His ways.
But I doubt now, based on your responses you know what this spiritual reality actually means.