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Indeed, this time is a gift. Not that it is the time we perceive it to be, for it was before the foundation of the world in the twinkling of an eye, finished; and yet broken down in our experience like light through a prism, that we can even change in the midst by our own will...as if it were not already written. God is greatly good and merciful. Amen!
Just not to people who offend you, isn't that right?
 

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Just not to people who offend you, isn't that right?
Oh man, these kind of remarks just kills the joy of fellowship in discussing His Word. I pray we can all just be at peace with one another even when we disagree.
 
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Oh man, these kind of remarks just kills the joy of fellowship in discussing His Word. I pray we can all just be at peace with one another even when we disagree.
The man has called me a liar to my face multiple times, when I did not even lie to anyone. But I suppose I should forgive him and move on.

Okay. I do.

@ScottA, I forgive you.
 
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Do you all think God knows who will chose Him and who will not?

I say no ,welcoming thoughts.Will elaborate more after a few responses

Yeah He knows. So does the devil, frankly - humans as a whole are not that complicated and quite predictable. I can predict to 99.9% how my dog is going to react and I am bound by time - I am pretty sure God knows how we are going to react every moment we exist. Also, I believe we are already in eternity, right now so the question is somewhat moot.
 

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All any have to do is come to Christ. But they who are not of God will not come to Christ. They don't want Him. To be with Christ would be hell for these people. They don't want hell. But neither do they want Christ.

When did they become not of God?
 

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He is outside of time (Isaiah 57:15); so He knows us from that perspective: even before He created time.

I understanding what you saying....However,you can't no nobody unless you meet them to know is to know not because you know.

Which brings me back to where I am that would be a cruel God,why create me knowing I'm destined to hell?My point,He didn't!!!
 

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I understanding what you saying....However,you can't no nobody unless you meet them to know is to know not because you know.

Which brings me back to where I am that would be a cruel God,why create me knowing I'm destined to hell?My point,He didn't!!!
He created everyone with free will. Being outside of time, He sees everyone in heaven that is there, praising and worshiping Him. He knows them from before they were even created on the temporal time clock.

He sees them in heaven and chose them according to that (fore)knowledge; actively, and without fail, working in their lives to bring them to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.
 

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He created everyone with free will. Being outside of time, He sees everyone in heaven that is there, praising and worshiping Him. He knows them from before they were even created on the temporal time clock.

He sees them in heaven and chose them according to that (fore)knowledge; actively, and without fail, working in their lives to bring them to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Again ,how did He know them? And yes He did create all with free will,which brings me back to before we born of woman.My example again,when did Paul get chosen?

Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

Does this say that Paul was a volunteer for the service of the church? No, God said, "He is a chosen vessel unto me," meaning that Paul was one of God's elect. Paul had gained the experience to serve a purpose for God, and God knew Paul from the beginning. From before even the foundations of the world [this earth age of the flesh].

Paul was selected by God to bare the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the Gentiles, the kings, which are those in authority, and the children of Israel. Paul had a three fold mission. Paul therefore taught on three levels, and it is for this reason that any true teacher, gifted in God's Word, will also teach on three levels. These levels mean that wherever one person is in the Word of God, there will be a message in it for them.

As those people grow and mature in the Word, they could listen to that same teacher three times and each time through, they should learn something new each time. They will think that it is a new discovery each time through, for God's Word builds on itself, and what is important to the baby in Christ, seeking the milk of the Word, is different then the mature Christian that seeks more then just salvation and baptism. A gifted teacher teaches on whatever level the listener is at. That is why it is important that you learn from the Word of God, and not the words and traditions of men.

Notice there is a difference between those men of free will, and those men that have a destiny, and purpose of the elect of God. Those of the elect know deep inside themselves that they have a destiny and purpose for their lives. Paul knew he had a destiny, only he was confused which way that was. He grabbed out at man's way, instead of seeking God's way. When the time came, God put a stop to Paul's way, and He blinded him.
 

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Why did God hate Esau ,because He knew He would or because He KNEW him(Esau)and it was something he did before being born of woman.

If He knew He would hate him before he was even born,why did He create him?
 

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One cannot have freewill if their fate is already decided .Paul didn't have free will,I think neither did the prophets or the other apostles
 

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One cannot have freewill if their fate is already decided .Paul didn't have free will,I think neither did the prophets or the other apostles
The elect have already made their choices before they were born. God knew them and they knew him.

Do man and a woman have free will when they marry? Yes? Then we ask if they have the same free will afterwards? Yes, but they are affected by their past decision and should honor it.
 

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Why did God hate Esau ,because He knew He would or because He KNEW him(Esau)and it was something he did before being born of woman.

If He knew He would hate him before he was even born,why did He create him?
So Esau could come to love God and God could love him. Esau will come to know about God through Jacob.
 

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The elect have already made their choices before they were born. God knew them and they knew him.

Do man and a woman have free will when they marry? Yes? Then we ask if they have the same free will afterwards? Yes, but they are affected by their past decision and should honor it.

First part of your response is spot on,He KNEW them and they KNEW Him...How and when did they get to know each other?
 

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No, I don't believe God knows.. If He did, it would negate "Whosoever believeth" (John 3:16). Our life in the flesh would be meaningless if God already knew, He could skip all this and move straight to judgement.

Consider that when Abraham offered up Issac, God preempted the sacrifice and said "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." (Genesis 22:12). The test clearly indicated that God did not previously know.

Yes, God is omniscient and knows all, but 'free will' is not knowable when choices can change. In other words, God is also omnipotent, so even though He knows what will be, He is active and can alter what otherwise might have been.. Being 'all knowing' is not written in stone when God is also 'all powerful'.. jmo
 

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No, I don't believe God knows.. If He did, it would negate "Whosoever believeth" (John 3:16). Our life in the flesh would be meaningless if God already knew, He could skip all this and move straight to judgement.

Consider that when Abraham offered up Issac, God preempted the sacrifice and said "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." (Genesis 22:12). The test clearly indicated that God did not previously know.

Yes, God is omniscient and knows all, but 'free will' is not knowable when choices can change. In other words, God is also omnipotent, so even though He knows what will be, He is active and can alter what otherwise might have been.. Being 'all knowing' is not written in stone when God is also 'all powerful'.. jmo
That is a fine way to understand the pages or chapters of a book as one reads but does not know what will unfold in the coming pages.

But God being the same yesterday, today, and forever, has not written the book of our lives in a place of chronology. No, the book has its on chronology within the pages, but only in the reading, only as it unfolds within the pages. But not so in God.

So then, if and when we are "in God" it can no longer be said that we were one thing yesterday, something different today, and who knows what forever--because such a status is nothing of God at all. But rather describes that part of our story when we were without Him. All of which means freewill did not happen over time, but timelessly, in the twinkling of an eye.