BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

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The "Holy City" described is ETERNAL (Heaven).

LOL...I said Jerusalem is the HOLY CITY...
AND Yet again, YOU DISAGREE with the FACTS, and MAKE UP YOUR OWN scripture.

Neh 11:1
...Jerusalem the holy city...

Isa 52:1
..Jerusalem, the holy city...

Tob 13: 9
...Jerusalem, the holy city...

AS usual, you have Disagreed with Scripture and TRIED to write your own scripture.

Rev. 22:19

States emphatically that: ". . . if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the TREE OF LIFE - not just the Holy City - wherever YOU think that is.

Again per YOUR USUAL, you CAN NOT STAY ON "POINT" and wander off on a Completely different TOPIC!

The HOLY CITY is one thing.
The HOLY CITY "IS" Jerusalem, NOT HEAVEN!

WHAT "IS IN" the HOLY CITY, is another thing.

THE "TREE OF LIFE"...is NOT "A CITY", is NOT Jerusalem!

The "TREE OF LIFE" IS THE "TREE" that "SUSTAINS" a "SOUL THAT IS SAVED".

The "TREE OF LIFE" IS "ALWAYS" WHERE, "UNCORRUPTED SOULS ARE".

FIRST:
The "TREE OF LIFE" was IN Gods Garden of EDEN...WITH ADAM...but Adam's SOUL BECAME CORRUPTED...and ADAM was banished from the Garden, thus he NO LONGER had ACCESS TO the "TREE OF LIFE".

THEN:
The "TREE OF LIFE" was "IN the "COMFORT SIDE OF HELL"...sustaining the SOULS of "FAITHFUL" men, such as ABRAHAM!

NOW:
The "TREE OF LIFE" "IS" "IN HEAVEN"...sustaining the SOULS of CONVERTED MEN, whose bodies are physically DEAD in their graves.

FUTURE:
The "TREE OF LIFE" "SHALL BE" Located "IN" the "RESTORED" HOLY CITY of "NEW" Jerusalem (again ON EARTH)...WHEN Christ Jesus Returns to Earth, and SITS as KING, of His EARTHLY KINGDOM, ON the everlasting THRONE of king David...IN Jerusalem...
AND THE INHABITANTS of Christ Jesus' KINGDOM...SHALL HAVE "ACCESS" TO "EAT" from the "TREE OF LIFE".
A different FRUIT EVERY MONTH..."FOR" Saved SOULS "TO BE" sustained AND Strenghtened....BY CONSUMING the FRUIT "OF" "The TREE OF LIFE".

This verse is about the possibility of a person HAVING eternal Life - and LOSING it.

No, Rev 22:19 is NOT about having RECEIVED SALVATION and then "LOSING SALVATION"!

Scripture is CLEAR;
Salvation IS A GIFT OFFERED TO THE WHOLE WORLD...IT IS A GIFT TO ALL MEN;
AND 'THEIRS' TO TAKE.

IF ANY MAN, Does NOT REACH OUT, CALL ON THE Lord TO TAKE THE Lords OFFERING...
Such a man WILL LOSE his Offering of Salvation.

The WORD of God DOES NOT TEACH, a man WHO HAS reached out to the Lord and RECEIVED the Lords OFFERING OF SALVATION....CAN THEN LOSE his Salvation.

The WORD of God Teaches the COMPLETE OPPOSITE; And you have been TOLD and SHOWN IN THE WORD OF GOD...
THAT:
FOREVER and ALWAYS a man who has received the Lord OFFERING OF SALVATION;
THAT MAN "IS" FOREVER and ALWAYS WITH thee Lord God...and thee Lord God is FOREVER and dALWAYS WITH that man.

Rev. 22:19

States emphatically that: ". . . if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the TREE OF LIFE - not just the Holy City - wherever YOU think that is.

All depends ON WHICH "AUTHORIZED" (lol) VERSION of an official Catholic Bible a Catholic is QUOTING!

Douay-Rheims...Authorized for Catholics
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

King James Version....NOT authorized for Catholics.
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

I do not know what "CATHOLIC" VERSION of Scripture you use....obviously one that the wording has been changed from an OLDER..."official Catholic Version"...lol

Glory to God,
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[BreadOfLife]

IS: Scriptural;

Gal 5:
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

I can not UNDERSTAND FOR YOU, what "CONTRARY" means.

Everyone can PLAINLY READ "YOUR WORDS".
Scripture However Teaches;
Human MEN come from the Dust of the Earth.
Christ the Lord Jesus came forth out from God in the "LIKENESS" of a human man.

I can not UNDERSTAND FOR YOU, what "LIKENESS" means.

Heresy is YOUR TEACHING, that Jesus WAS a Human man.

You are NOT God, to dictate "IF"..."THEN" FOR God....or anyone else!

The FLESH is subject to the consequences OF THE FLESH"S SIN!

But Again, I can not UNDERSTANDING FOR you the difference Between Scriptural TRUTH of Gods WORD....and YOUR Words which are but FICTION.

Glory to God,
Taken

Once again, you are perverting the Scriptures.

Paul wasn’t teaching that our literal flesh is sinful. He was stating that the flesh is SUBJECT to sin – it is NOT sin itself. It is ALSO the home of the Holy Spirit.

You blame your skin, meat and bones for your sinful ways?? This is an asinine view of Scripture.

Christ was born of a woman – a human being. He FULLY human, taking his HUMAN DNA from His mother Mary. THIS is what the Bible states that He is an heir of David (Isa. 11:10), Einstein.

YOUR insistence that the flesh is sin itself heretically implicates CHRIST as sinful . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...I said Jerusalem is the HOLY CITY...
AND Yet again, YOU DISAGREE with the FACTS, and MAKE UP YOUR OWN scripture.

Neh 11:1
...Jerusalem the holy city...

Isa 52:1
..Jerusalem, the holy city...

Tob 13: 9
...Jerusalem, the holy city...

AS usual, you have Disagreed with Scripture and TRIED to write your own scripture.

Again per YOUR USUAL, you CAN NOT STAY ON "POINT" and wander off on a Completely different TOPIC!

The HOLY CITY is one thing.
The HOLY CITY "IS" Jerusalem, NOT HEAVEN!

WHAT "IS IN" the HOLY CITY, is another thing.

THE "TREE OF LIFE"...is NOT "A CITY", is NOT Jerusalem!

The "TREE OF LIFE" IS THE "TREE" that "SUSTAINS" a "SOUL THAT IS SAVED".

The "TREE OF LIFE" IS "ALWAYS" WHERE, "UNCORRUPTED SOULS ARE".

FIRST:
The "TREE OF LIFE" was IN Gods Garden of EDEN...WITH ADAM...but Adam's SOUL BECAME CORRUPTED...and ADAM was banished from the Garden, thus he NO LONGER had ACCESS TO the "TREE OF LIFE".

THEN:
The "TREE OF LIFE" was "IN the "COMFORT SIDE OF HELL"...sustaining the SOULS of "FAITHFUL" men, such as ABRAHAM!

NOW:
The "TREE OF LIFE" "IS" "IN HEAVEN"...sustaining the SOULS of CONVERTED MEN, whose bodies are physically DEAD in their graves.

FUTURE:
The "TREE OF LIFE" "SHALL BE" Located "IN" the "RESTORED" HOLY CITY of "NEW" Jerusalem (again ON EARTH)...WHEN Christ Jesus Returns to Earth, and SITS as KING, of His EARTHLY KINGDOM, ON the everlasting THRONE of king David...IN Jerusalem...
AND THE INHABITANTS of Christ Jesus' KINGDOM...SHALL HAVE "ACCESS" TO "EAT" from the "TREE OF LIFE".
A different FRUIT EVERY MONTH..."FOR" Saved SOULS "TO BE" sustained AND Strenghtened....BY CONSUMING the FRUIT "OF" "The TREE OF LIFE".

No, Rev 22:19 is NOT about having RECEIVED SALVATION and then "LOSING SALVATION"!

Scripture is CLEAR;
Salvation IS A GIFT OFFERED TO THE WHOLE WORLD...IT IS A GIFT TO ALL MEN;
AND 'THEIRS' TO TAKE.

IF ANY MAN, Does NOT REACH OUT, CALL ON THE Lord TO TAKE THE Lords OFFERING...
Such a man WILL LOSE his Offering of Salvation.

The WORD of God DOES NOT TEACH, a man WHO HAS reached out to the Lord and RECEIVED the Lords OFFERING OF SALVATION....CAN THEN LOSE his Salvation.

The WORD of God Teaches the COMPLETE OPPOSITE; And you have been TOLD and SHOWN IN THE WORD OF GOD...
THAT:
FOREVER and ALWAYS a man who has received the Lord OFFERING OF SALVATION;
THAT MAN "IS" FOREVER and ALWAYS WITH thee Lord God...and thee Lord God is FOREVER and dALWAYS WITH that man.

All depends ON WHICH "AUTHORIZED" (lol) VERSION of an official Catholic Bible a Catholic is QUOTING!

Douay-Rheims...Authorized for Catholics
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

King James Version....NOT authorized for Catholics.
Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

I do not know what "CATHOLIC" VERSION of Scripture you use....obviously one that the wording has been changed from an OLDER..."official Catholic Version"...lol

Glory to God,
Taken

Spoken like a Biblically-bankrupt beginner . . .

Ummmmmm, Jerusalem is ALSO the "Harlot" (Isa. 1:21) - yet YOU idiotically think it's the Catholic Church.

The “Holy City”, which is the NEW Jerusalem, is described as the “BRIDE” of Christ (Rev. 21:2). The CHURCH is also described as Christ’s Bride (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:32).

As for the “Tree of Life” – Rev. 22:19 states plainly that anybody who takes from these words of prophecy will have their share in the Tree of Life TAKEN AWAY. You cannot have something taken away of you did NOT possess it in the first place, Einstein.

STUDY your Bible – don‘t just quote it . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, you think it WRONG to believe what I said.....
That receiving KNOWLEDGE of the WORD of God is for a man to be lead Toward Righteousness...

Not a SUPRISE...we disagree! LOL

Epignosis IS the precise and correct KNOWLEDGE of things ethical and divine.

I said KNOWLEDGE of the WORD of God...LEADS a man toward Righteousness.

You said that was WRONG, and then per your USUAL prance off point to talking about "a supposed description of Born Again"....

I am well aware of WHAT the WORD of GOD says on MULTIPLE "things".

And on the specific TOPIC OF MULTIPLE THINGS....I agree with Scripture....and DO NOT AGREE with "YOUR WORDS".

Glory to God,
Taken

More nonsense . . .

You failed to acknowledge that the word used in this verse is “EPIGNOSIS”. It is not “Knowledge” – but “full, experiential and relational knowledge”. Your ENTIRE argument dies on this point.

ONLY converted, born again people can have an Epignosis of Christ. This verse is NOT speaking of a person with a fleeting knowledge (oida, gnosis). It WARNS those born again people that they can LOSE their security.

This is why I gave you examples of PROTESTANT – not Catholic scholarship on “Epignosis” . . .

 

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Once again, you are perverting the Scriptures.

Paul wasn’t teaching that our literal flesh is sinful. He was stating that the flesh is SUBJECT to sin – it is NOT sin itself.

Eh, I trust Paul's teaching rather than YOURS.

Rom 7
[17] ...sin that dwelleth in me...
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: ...

You blame your skin, meat and bones for your sinful ways??

Uh, BLAME? LOL. What a silly question when NO ONE has mentioned BLAME.

Uh, "my sinful ways"? What a asinine comment you make to a person who SINS are Forgiven, Covered and Sins NO MORE!

This is an asinine view of Scripture.

No kidding....and ridiculous THAT THAT VIEW is words out of YOUR MOUTH....which just goes to show the asinine thoughts YOU come up with. Lol

Christ was born of a woman – a human being.

LOL...Jesus was born of God, then born of a women........IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human.

LOL....Men are born of God, IN the LIKENESS of God......they aren't God....!!

He FULLY human, taking his HUMAN DNA from His mother Mary.

LOL, that is nonsense psychobabble!

And you have been shown Scripture that YOUR TEACHING IS FALSE!

THIS is what the Bible states that He is an heir of David (Isa. 11:10), Einstein.

LOL, not particularly a BIG SECRET Jesus is an heir of Daivid....The BIG SECRET IS...
YOU Do NOT KNOW HOW or WHY.

YOUR insistence that the flesh is sin itself heretically implicates CHRIST as sinful . . .

STOP being such a DUNCE.
First YOU "teach" Jesus is a HUMAN man.
Then YOU "deny" Human flesh is SINFUL.
Then YOU "proclaim" Christ would BE SINFUL;
IF HUMAN flesh was SINFUL....BECAUSE "YOU" falsely declared JESUS WAS A HUMAN MAN.

Dude those ^^ are your claims...NOT SCRIPTURE, and NOT ANYTHING I have said.

MY Lord Jesus IS NOT A HUMAN MAN.
MY Lord Jesus DOES NOT (ha, ha, ha,) HAVE Mary's DNA...(LOL, LOL).
MY Lord Jesus DID NOT come forth with SINFUL FLESH!

So all YOUR CLAIMS, are out of YOUR OWN weird thoughts and have NOTHING to do with me.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eh, I trust Paul's teaching rather than YOURS.

Rom 7
[17] ...sin that dwelleth in me...
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: ...[/B]

Uh, BLAME? LOL. What a silly question when NO ONE has mentioned BLAME.

Uh, "my sinful ways"? What a asinine comment you make to a person who SINS are Forgiven, Covered and Sins NO MORE!

No kidding....and ridiculous THAT THAT VIEW is words out of YOUR MOUTH....which just goes to show the asinine thoughts YOU come up with. Lol

LOL...Jesus was born of God, then born of a women........IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human.

LOL....Men are born of God, IN the LIKENESS of God......they aren't God....!!

LOL, that is nonsense psychobabble!

And you have been shown Scripture that YOUR TEACHING IS FALSE!
LOL, not particularly a BIG SECRET Jesus is an heir of Daivid....The BIG SECRET IS...
YOU Do NOT KNOW HOW or WHY.

STOP being such a DUNCE.
First YOU "teach" Jesus is a HUMAN man.
Then YOU "deny" Human flesh is SINFUL.
Then YOU "proclaim" Christ would BE SINFUL;
IF HUMAN flesh was SINFUL....BECAUSE "YOU" falsely declared JESUS WAS A HUMAN MAN.

Dude those ^^ are your claims...NOT SCRIPTURE, and NOT ANYTHING I have said.

MY Lord Jesus IS NOT A HUMAN MAN.
MY Lord Jesus DOES NOT (ha, ha, ha,) HAVE Mary's DNA...(LOL, LOL).
MY Lord Jesus DID NOT come forth with SINFUL FLESH!

So all YOUR CLAIMS, are out of YOUR OWN weird thoughts and have NOTHING to do with me.

Glory to God,
Taken

The doctrine that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God is one of the BASIC tenets of Christianity.

To deny this fact makes you something – but NOT a Christian. What church do you attend – or what faith tradition are you associated with?? I’m curious because what you are saying is NOT Christian by definition.

In fact, what YOU are espousing is an amalgamation of several heresies – and was never a teaching of the historic Christian faith.

 

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Spoken like a Biblically-bankrupt beginner . . .

Ummmmmm, Jerusalem is ALSO the "Harlot" (Isa. 1:21) - yet YOU idiotically think it's the Catholic Church.

LOL...DUNCE...You could only know what "I THINK", by what "I SAY"....

Why are you AGAIN LYING? I have never said Jerusalem is the Catholic Church...or that the Catholic Church is the Harlot....
Sheesh, what a LIAR you are.

The “Holy City”, which is the NEW Jerusalem, is described as the “BRIDE” of Christ (Rev. 21:2). The CHURCH is also described as Christ’s Bride (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:32).

LOL...uh huh, I already said....the Holy City is Jerusalem...uh huh, already have said...the earth will be renewed....

LOL...uh huh, you argued Against what I said....and YOU SAID, the Holy City was Heaven....

Rev 21:2 TELLS a person WHERE the NEW Jerusalem comes FROM---->HEAVEN!

Rev 21:2 TELLS a person the NEW Jerusalem IS PREPARED...

Scripture also TELLS a person the CHURCH IS PREPARED to be JOINED with Christ.

Rev 21:2
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

NOT NEWS! And NOT as YOU babble about in your words.

As for the “Tree of Life” – Rev. 22:19 states plainly that anybody who takes from these words of prophecy will have their share in the Tree of Life TAKEN AWAY.

LOL, why are you highlighting "TAKEN AWAY"? That was NOT IN DISPUTE! LOL

It was already SHOWN TO YOU....
Older Catholic Bibles...said "BOOK OF LIFE"....and NEWER Catholic Bibles CHANGED THE WORDING...and TO SAY "TREE of LIFE"....

You cannot have something taken away of you did NOT possess it in the first place, Einstein.

Yawn...

You are TOO HARD HEARTED and Carnal Minded to understand Scripture in the Spiritual Understanding....
So stop with your repetative whinning...
LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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The doctrine that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God is one of the BASIC tenets of Christianity.

To deny this fact makes you something – but NOT a Christian. What church do you attend – or what faith tradition are you associated with?? I’m curious because what you are saying is NOT Christian by definition.

In fact, what YOU are espousing is an amalgamation of several heresies – and was never a teaching of the historic Christian faith.

I'm pretty confidant it was TAUGHT by Historical Catholics, that JESUS WAS A "HUMAN" man... To bad not ALL non-Catholics have Learned to extend their PROTESTS to ALL heretical Catholic Teaching.

Scripture is CLEAR:

Terrestrial man, is out of the DUST of the EARTH...and Returns to the DUST of the EARTH.

Gen 2:7
[7] ... the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...

Gen 3:19
[19]...dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Jesus is NOT a Terrestiral man.

John 16:27 (Jesus speaking)
[27] ... I came out from God.

Luke 24:51 (Jesus RETURNED to God in Heaven)
[51] ... he was ...carried up into heaven

AND...as you have been SHOWN BEFORE...when you blab your "Mary's DNA" nonsense....(lol)

John 1:13 (the WORD of God, the TRUE Light)
[13] Which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but.
of God

So, in direct Conflict with Scripture you teach Jesus was a HUMAN MAN...AND...(lol) had A HUMAN woman's DNA.....(astounding). LOL.

You are so far fetched from the Truth, it just goes to show, the POWER of God, to Harden a mans Heart that the man believes his own Lies.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eh, I trust Paul's teaching rather than YOURS.

Rom 7
[17] ...sin that dwelleth in me...
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: ...[/B]



Uh, BLAME? LOL. What a silly question when NO ONE has mentioned BLAME.

Uh, "my sinful ways"? What a asinine comment you make to a person who SINS are Forgiven, Covered and Sins NO MORE!
No kidding....and ridiculous THAT THAT VIEW is words out of YOUR MOUTH....which just goes to show the asinine thoughts YOU come up with. Lol

LOL...Jesus was born of God, then born of a women........IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human.

LOL....Men are born of God, IN the LIKENESS of God......they aren't God....!!

LOL, that is nonsense psychobabble!

And you have been shown Scripture that YOUR TEACHING IS FALSE!
LOL, not particularly a BIG SECRET Jesus is an heir of Daivid....The BIG SECRET IS...
YOU Do NOT KNOW HOW or WHY.

STOP being such a DUNCE.
First YOU "teach" Jesus is a HUMAN man.
Then YOU "deny" Human flesh is SINFUL.
Then YOU "proclaim" Christ would BE SINFUL;
IF HUMAN flesh was SINFUL....BECAUSE "YOU" falsely declared JESUS WAS A HUMAN MAN.

Dude those ^^ are your claims...NOT SCRIPTURE, and NOT ANYTHING I have said.

MY Lord Jesus IS NOT A HUMAN MAN.
MY Lord Jesus DOES NOT (ha, ha, ha,) HAVE Mary's DNA...(LOL, LOL).
MY Lord Jesus DID NOT come forth with SINFUL FLESH!

So all YOUR CLAIMS, are out of YOUR OWN weird thoughts and have NOTHING to do with me.

Glory to God,
Taken

I’ve got news for you, Einstein – BOTH the DRB and KJV are translated badly when it comes to Rev. 22:19.

This Book was written in Koine GREEK – not English – and the Greek word used here is “xulon” (ξύλον), which means “TREE”. The later Catholic versions corrected this.
Oh, by the way – the Latin Vulgate uses the term “ligno vitae”, which means “TREE of Life” . . .

As for your heresy that Jesus was NOT fully human – and your FALSE statement that it is NOT stated in Scripture – eat this . . .

Heb. 2:14-16
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

You are in heresy again.
Good luck with that . . .-

 

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I’ve got news for you, Einstein – BOTH the DRB and KJV are translated badly when it comes to Rev. 22:19.[/B]

LOL....but of course, coming from a Catholic, ONLY the Catholic's confiscated and hoarded the TRUE Scriptures....<--- LOL

This Book was written in Koine GREEK – not English – and the Greek word used here is “xulon” (ξύλον), which means “TREE”. The later Catholic versions corrected this.
Oh, by the way – the Latin Vulgate uses the term “ligno vitae”, which means “TREE of Life” . . .

LOL

As for your heresy that Jesus was NOT fully human – and your FALSE statement that it is NOT stated in Scripture – eat this . . .

Hey...IF YOU WANT TO PREACH "YOUR" Lord and SAVIOR is a "HUMAN"....Doesn't affect me. My Lord and Savior is "SPIRIT" !

Heb. 2:14-16
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

You are in heresy again.
Good luck with that . . .-

LOL, "Luck" is not necessary, when one KNOWS HOW to have Gods Spiritual Understanding....instead of your CARNAL Understanding that you incessively peddle.

Not a SECRET, ...tweedle dee...HUMANS have flesh and blood....and the BODY GOD PREPARED FOR JESUS FOR WHEN HE CAME INTO THE WORLD....had flesh and blood!

Heb 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Short memory? HUMAN BODIES "ARE FORMED" from DUST of the Earth.

Jesus' BODY was "PREPARED"...FOR WHEN He came DOWN FROM HEAVEN """""TO''''''Earth!

And Golly Gee.........God wanted Jesus to APPEAR TO JEWS, and LOOK IN THE LIKENESS OF JEWS.....WOW shocking...
God PREPARED Jesus' BODY WITH FLESH and BLOOD....

LOL

OH, OH, OH....And Once MY body is RISEN UP....wait for it....

I will SEE MY Lord....as HE IS...WITHOUT His "LIKENESS" in a BODY Prepared of God...

1 John 3:
[2] .... for we shall see him as he is.

(That applies to me, can't say for you, since YOUR Lord and Savior IS a HUMAN man)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL, "Luck" is not necessary, when one KNOWS HOW to have Gods Spiritual Understanding....instead of your CARNAL Understanding that you incessively peddle.

Not a SECRET, ...tweedle dee...HUMANS have flesh and blood....and the BODY GOD PREPARED FOR JESUS FOR WHEN HE CAME INTO THE WORLD....had flesh and blood!

Heb 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Short memory? HUMAN BODIES "ARE FORMED" from DUST of the Earth.

Jesus' BODY was "PREPARED"...FOR WHEN He came DOWN FROM HEAVEN """""TO''''''Earth!

And Golly Gee.........God wanted Jesus to APPEAR TO JEWS, and LOOK IN THE LIKENESS OF JEWS.....WOW shocking...
God PREPARED Jesus' BODY WITH FLESH and BLOOD....

LOL

OH, OH, OH....And Once MY body is RISEN UP....wait for it....

I will SEE MY Lord....as HE IS...WITHOUT His "LIKENESS" in a BODY Prepared of God...

1 John 3:
[2] .... for we shall see him as he is.

(That applies to me, can't say for you, since YOUR Lord and Savior IS a HUMAN man)

Glory to God,
Taken

It's fine with me that YOU deny Christ's 2 natures.I It'sYOUR heresy - not mine.

Scripture is on MY side Heb. 2:14-16 . . .

 

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It's fine with me that YOU deny Christ's 2 natures.I It'sYOUR heresy - not mine.

Scripture is on MY side Heb. 2:14-16 . . .

I deny what YOU CLAIM....
I do not deny WHAT Scripture TRUTHFULLY TEACHES.

I do not deny Jesus came forth out from God TO EARTH and was revealed to the EYES of Earthly men IN THE FASHION and LIKENESS of a Jewish man, was seen as a man, was called a man, was revealed coming forth from a woman' womb according to the laws of nature, ate, drank, slept, spoke, taught, revealed secrets men did not know, was accused, was unjustly crucified, taught men HOW TO, become IN HIS LIKENESS;
FaithFULL to God,
Released from the CURSE of Sin,
And HOW TO;
DEAL WITH a TEMPTER whose intent is to drawn one AWAY from Gods TRUTH...(like you).

YOU insist and Teach Jesus was a HUMAN man...
Scripture NEVER says any such thing....
So yes, I DENY YOUR CLAIMS.
I do not deny Gods TRUTH as you falsely claim.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

I deny what YOU CLAIM....
I do not deny WHAT Scripture TRUTHFULLY TEACHES.

I do not deny Jesus came forth out from God TO EARTH and was revealed to the EYES of Earthly men IN THE FASHION and LIKENESS of a Jewish man, was seen as a man, was called a man, was revealed coming forth from a woman' womb according to the laws of nature, ate, drank, slept, spoke, taught, revealed secrets men did not know, was accused, was unjustly crucified, taught men HOW TO, become IN HIS LIKENESS;
FaithFULL to God,
Released from the CURSE of Sin,
And HOW TO;
DEAL WITH a TEMPTER whose intent is to drawn one AWAY from Gods TRUTH...(like you).

YOU insist and Teach Jesus was a HUMAN man...
Scripture NEVER says any such thing....
So yes, I DENY YOUR CLAIMS.
I do not deny Gods TRUTH as you falsely claim.

Glory to God,
Taken

Then YOU deny the Word if GOD, which says:

Heb. 2:17
For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

The Bible says that YOU are wrong . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm pretty confidant it was TAUGHT by Historical Catholics, that JESUS WAS A "HUMAN" man... To bad not ALL non-Catholics have Learned to extend their PROTESTS to ALL heretical Catholic Teaching.

Scripture is CLEAR:

Terrestrial man, is out of the DUST of the EARTH...and Returns to the DUST of the EARTH.

Gen 2:7
[7] ... the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...

Gen 3:19
[19]...dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Jesus is NOT a Terrestiral man.

John 16:27 (Jesus speaking)
[27] ... I came out from God.

Luke 24:51 (Jesus RETURNED to God in Heaven)
[51] ... he was ...carried up into heaven

AND...as you have been SHOWN BEFORE...when you blab your "Mary's DNA" nonsense....(lol)

John 1:13 (the WORD of God, the TRUE Light)
[13] Which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but.
of God

So, in direct Conflict with Scripture you teach Jesus was a HUMAN MAN...AND...(lol) had A HUMAN woman's DNA.....(astounding). LOL.

You are so far fetched from the Truth, it just goes to show, the POWER of God, to Harden a mans Heart that the man believes his own Lies.

Glory to God,
Taken

You said....I'm pretty confidant it was TAUGHT by Historical Catholics, that JESUS WAS A "HUMAN" man...

Off the top of my head I believe the Jehovah Witnesses are the about the only Christian religion that teaches that Christ was a man, not a God. Christ was 100% man and 100% God.

You said....To bad not ALL non-Catholics have Learned to extend their PROTESTS to ALL heretical Catholic Teaching.

May I remind you that it was a Church that was over 1300 years old that considered Lutheranism and all Protestants heretics. It was the Protestants that stood up over 1300 years after fact and said they were the ones that new the truth. If you and I started a church today and lets say we called it Takenism, and then stood up to all the other Protestant churches and said we know the real truth! And all the other Protestant churches were heretics! People would think we were crazy and or heretics. You can say you believe in one of the tens of thousands of Protestant churches and that is fine. But their shear numbers proves the fact that they worked hard at it, and are still trying to understand. What do you bet this is not the end of the multiplying Protestant churches as they attempt to grasp the meaning of the scriptures.

 

[Taken]

Then YOU deny the Word if GOD, which says:

Heb. 2:17
For this reason he had to be made like them, FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

The Bible says that YOU are wrong . . .

No, YOUR modern Version Says HUMAN, and
No, I do not KNOW WHO made the decision to Change the wording, and
No, I do not have to Agree with "some unknown persons" changing of Scripture and
No, your false accusations are but your false accusations and have ZERO effect on my relationship with my Lord.

I am fully aware in what WAY Jesus was in the LIKENESS of Jews...and WHY it was Necessary.

I am also aware in what LIKENESS Jesus was NOT LIKE his brethren, the Jews.

For example;

Jews..are dust of the Earth...
....Jesus came forth out from God.
Jews...lived in homes...
....Jesus was homeless.
Jews...committed sins..
....Jesus was sinless.
Jew men married women.
....Jesus never married a woman.
Jew men had offspring from their sperm seed.
....Jesus never procreated offspring.

Your carnal mindedness will never convince me to be in agreement with most of the claims you make.

And per the usual, you speaking FOR ME, things that are FALSE, is but making yourself a liar.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You said....I'm pretty confidant it was TAUGHT by Historical Catholics, that JESUS WAS A "HUMAN" man...

Off the top of my head I believe the Jehovah Witnesses are the about the only Christian religion that teaches that Christ was a man, not a God. Christ was 100% man and 100% God.

There is a self-appointed Catholic authority on this forum...BOL, teaches Jesus is HUMAN.

You said....To bad not ALL non-Catholics have Learned to extend their PROTESTS to ALL heretical Catholic Teaching.

May I remind you that it was a Church that was over 1300 years old that considered Lutheranism and all Protestants heretics. It was the Protestants that stood up over 1300 years after fact and said they were the ones that new the truth. If you and I started a church today and lets say we called it Takenism, and then stood up to all the other Protestant churches and said we know the real truth! And all the other Protestant churches were heretics! People would think we were crazy and or heretics. You can say you believe in one of the tens of thousands of Protestant churches and that is fine. But their shear numbers proves the fact that they worked hard at it, and are still trying to understand. What do you bet this is not the end of the multiplying Protestant churches as they attempt to grasp the meaning of the scriptures.

The "protesters"...were men that could read, and as access became more available to written Scripture, men read (and often it was Catholic men then finding no Scriptural Verification for the things they had been taught....And no Scriptural verifications from the Catholic heads....thus the protests.

Times have changed. More people can read...
and a new method has emerged...
"Rewrite Scripture" to say what one teaches.

Glory to God,
Takken

 

[Grailhunter]

There is a self-appointed Catholic authority on this forum...BOL, teaches Jesus is HUMAN.

You said....To bad not ALL non-Catholics have Learned to extend their PROTESTS to ALL heretical Catholic Teaching.



The "protesters"...were men that could read, and as access became more available to written Scripture, men read (and often it was Catholic men then finding no Scriptural Verification for the things they had been taught....And no Scriptural verifications from the Catholic heads....thus the protests.

Times have changed. More people can read...
and a new method has emerged...
"Rewrite Scripture" to say what one teaches.

Glory to God,
Takken

So why don't we start a church Taken...Obviously you have the true meaning. All denominations have their issues but calling each other heretics is just ignorant. Rewriting scriptures, you do not even what to get into that topic with me. This forum is not big enough.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, YOUR modern Version Says HUMAN, and
No, I do not KNOW WHO made the decision to Change the wording, and
No, I do not have to Agree with "some unknown persons" changing of Scripture and
No, your false accusations are but your false accusations and have ZERO effect on my relationship with my Lord.

I am fully aware in what WAY Jesus was in the LIKENESS of Jews...and WHY it was Necessary.

I am also aware in what LIKENESS Jesus was NOT LIKE his brethren, the Jews.

For example;

Jews..are dust of the Earth...
....Jesus came forth out from God.
Jews...lived in homes...
....Jesus was homeless.
Jews...committed sins..
....Jesus was sinless.
Jew men married women.
....Jesus never married a woman.
Jew men had offspring from their sperm seed.
....Jesus never procreated offspring.

Your carnal mindedness will never convince me to be in agreement with most of the claims you make.

And per the usual, you speaking FOR ME, things that are FALSE, is but making yourself a liar.

Glory to God,
Taken

As usual – your weak argument doesn’t hold water.

Below is a more literal translation of the original Koine Greek:

Heb. 2:17-18
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. For since he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.

He was made like us in EVERY respect so that He could know what WE go through.

So, “fully human” or “made like his brothers and sisters IN EVERY RESPECT” is the SAME thing.

 

[Taken]

So why don't we start a church Taken...Obviously you have the true meaning. All denominations have their issues but calling each other heretics is just ignorant. Rewriting scriptures, you do not even what to get into that topic with me. This forum is not big enough.

I have no need to start a church. I am content being in membership in Christ's Church, He my teacher and He is the Truth that I trust.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

As usual – your weak argument doesn’t hold water.

Below is a more literal translation of the original Koine Greek:

Heb. 2:17-18
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. For since he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.

He was made like us in EVERY respect so that He could know what WE go through.

Really? Thee All KNOWING Christ had to experience the same things that what HE MADE experiences....that's your highlighted understanding? Okie Dokie...lol

So, “fully human” or “made like his brothers and sisters IN EVERY RESPECT” is the SAME thing.

So what's your point...
He married?
He reproduced children with sperm?
He purchased a home, had a job, bought his own clothes?
Grew his own food?
Committed Sin?

Dude there were many things Jesus was NOT in the LIKENESS of other Jews.

And scripture teaches MULTIPLE specific reasons of WHY He came to Earth...

Glory to God,
Taken