Wormwood

[Keraz]

^ Rev. 12[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. It is when Satan resurrects the leader of the One World Govt, when he is assassinated. Revelation 13:3-4
When Jesus Returns, He will chain Satan up and only release him for a short time at the end of the Millennium. Then he is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:2-3, & 7-10

1 Peter 5:8 makes it plain that Satan is now loose and looking for all who he can deceive. Whether he can still approach God, is not clear, but it is only during the final 3 1/2 years, that Satan is finally locked out of the heavenly realm.

 

[Earburner]

This will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. It is when Satan resurrects the leader of the One World Govt, when he is assassinated. Revelation 13:3-4
When Jesus Returns, He will chain Satan up and only release him for a short time at the end of the Millennium. Then he is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:2-3, & 7-10

1 Peter 5:8 makes it plain that Satan is now loose and looking for all who he can deceive. Whether he can still approach God, is not clear, but it is only during the final 3 1/2 years, that Satan is finally locked out of the heavenly realm.

You don't understand. The thousand years is symbolic of the Age of God's Grace through Jesus, which is NOW, ever since Pentecost!!

 

[Bobby Jo]

This will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. ...

So many doctrinal errors in the face of contradictory evidence, and yet so determined to blindly press on ...

Bobby Jo

 

[historyb]

So what do we know about Wormwood?

I saw the news about Oumuamua the first reported interstellar comet and got to thinking about it.

Back in the Ancient times, symbol not real.

 

[Earburner]

This will happen at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. It is when Satan resurrects the leader of the One World Govt, when he is assassinated. Revelation 13:3-4
When Jesus Returns, He will chain Satan up and only release him for a short time at the end of the Millennium. Then he is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:2-3, & 7-10

1 Peter 5:8 makes it plain that Satan is now loose and looking for all who he can deceive. Whether he can still approach God, is not clear, but it is only during the final 3 1/2 years, that Satan is finally locked out of the heavenly realm.

There is no 7 years of a great Tribulation! You believe of that false situation, because religion has configured it to be so, due to a serious misunderstanding about the 70 weeks in Daniel.

 

[Enoch111]

You don't understand. The thousand years is symbolic of the Age of God's Grace through Jesus, which is NOW, ever since Pentecost!!

The thousand years cannot possibly be symbolic unless you ignore the basics of Bible interpretation.

 

[Earburner]

Stan,
Seems some on this thread are "gunning" for you ... you must be doing something right!

keep up the good work,
God bless!

Anyone can read the Bible literally, and build there own story line and interpretation.
However, Isaiah 55:8-9 and John 16:13 oppose the literal approach, through sheer human understanding.

 

[Earburner]

The thousand years cannot possibly be symbolic unless you ignore the basics of Bible interpretation.

Isaiah 55:8-9 would be a good start.
Then read how 2 Peter 3:8 explains it, and why it is now, in verse 3:9.

 

[Earburner]

When Jesus Returns, He will chain Satan up and only release him for a short time at the end of the Millennium. Then he is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:2-3, & 7-10

Q1. In Mark 3:27, who is the "strong man"?
Q2. Who are "his goods"?
Q3. Who will "bind" the strong man?
Q4. What does Jesus mean that he will spoil His house?
Q5. When did that take place?

Mark 3[27] No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Q6. Do you now have a better understanding of:
Luke 11[19] And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
[20] But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
[21] When a "strong man" armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
[22] But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

Q7. Where does God desire to dwell?

 

[Enoch111]

Isaiah 55:8-9 would be a good start. Then read how 2 Peter 3:8 explains it, and why it is now, in verse 3:9.

That's a good example of taking verses out of context. How about if you exegete Revelation 20 within the framework of the book of Revelation?
And what exactly did Peter mean in the context of that passage? Was he not talking about God DELAYING His judgments so that men would get saved? Just look at the context.

As to God's ways being higher than ours, that tells us that we are not to DISBELIEVE in the coming Millennium (among other things).

 

[Earburner]

That's a good example of taking verses out of context. How about if you exegete Revelation 20 within the framework of the book of Revelation?
And what exactly did Peter mean in the context of that passage? Was he not talking about God DELAYING His judgments so that men would get saved? Just look at the context.

As to God's ways being higher than ours, that tells us that we are not to DISBELIEVE in the coming Millennium (among other things).

Q8. In KJV- 2 Peter 3:9, can you put a time limit on God's length of longsuffering, concerning His "promise" to save as many that shall come to Him, through belief in Jesus?
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Q9. Since Pentecost, would that be 500 years, or maybe 1000, 2000, even 3000 years?
Even Jesus did not put a time limit on how long God the Father would extend His Grace through Him.
Q10. According to God's monitoring of time (2 Peter 3:8), how many days would that be, in each of the above?

Q11. Do You know what it shall be, that shall cause the end His Age of Grace?
Ans. Apostasy! Please see KJV- Luke 18:8; 2 Thes. 2:3.
When Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire, then will the Age of God's Grace end. 2 Thes. 1:8-10

Q12. Who was the FIRST resurrection into New Life?
Ans. The Lord Jesus.
Q13. Are you now a "partaker of the divine nature"?
Q14. If so, are you not now "blessed and holy" by His Blood, and sealed unto the day of redemption by His Holy Spirit?
Q15 Being therefore a "partaker", are you not having part in His Resurrection now?
Please see 2 Peter 1:4; Revelation 20:6 and Revelation 3:20

 

[Stan B]

There is no 7 years of a great Tribulation! You believe of that false situation, because religion has configured it to be so, due to a serious misunderstanding about the 70 weeks in Daniel.

I am satisfied that the Scripture declares the 70th week as a 7 year period, as well as the Book of Revelation which reiterates the 7 years if the Tribulation over and over.

 

[Stan B]

Anyone can read the Bible literally, and build there own story line and interpretation.
However, Isaiah 55:8-9 and John 16:13 oppose the literal approach, through sheer human understanding.

The Bible is to be taken literally unless it specifically reveals otherwise within the context. But I rely upon the promise of the Holy Spirit who has promised to lead us into all truth. It has been working rather well so far.

 

[Acolyte]

Satan fell (was cast out) of Heaven along time ago.
Jesus, in His preincarnate state was a witness to it.
During that time, he still had access to God, and was allowed to talk to God, and even challenge Him.
Please see Job.

But now that Jesus has come in the flesh, and was crucified dead, buried, Resurrected into New Life, and has Ascended to God, satan (the "strong man"- Mat. 12:29) was "bound" to this world "in chains of darkness", which is to say that He can no longer approach God, nor can he receive any Light from Him.
So then, being "bound" by Jesus at that time, what is the evidence now, that he has been "loosed for a little season", having "great wrath", and is attacking every living thing, on the earth and in the sea?
THINK!!

Wow, obviously you have given me something to think about. I have never looked at it that way. Will pray on this for clearer understanding. Thank you.

Blessings

 

[Earburner]

I am satisfied that the Scripture declares the 70th week as a 7 year period, as well as the Book of Revelation which reiterates the 7 years if the Tribulation over and over.

How can you be satisfied, when you don't know which "he" is beng referenced in KJV- Dan. 9[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Q1. Since the word "he" is in the singular, and "the people" is in the plural, surely you must know that the word "he" is in reference to the Messiah Jesus.
If not, then please restudy, using Isaiah 55:8-9 and John 16:13 as your only "guide" , and not the religious teachings of men and their commentaries.

 

[Earburner]

The Bible is to be taken literally unless it specifically reveals otherwise within the context.
*But I rely upon the promise of the Holy Spirit who has promised to lead us into all truth. It has been working rather well so far.

*If that is so, then why are all of your conclusions in line with the religions of men, aka "churchianity"?

If they weren't, you wouldn't be in agreeance of their false concepts about the 70 weeks!!
Honestly, their fabrications from Daniel, are the ultimate deception throughout most of the churches.

When you can rightly discern by the Lord's Holy Spirit of who "he" is referring to in the 70 weeks (KJV only), you must then be willing to dump and trash most ALL of what "churchianity" has taught you about that prophecy.

Then and only then, will you be truly trusting in the Holy Spirit to guide you!!

 

[Earburner]

Wow, obviously you have given me something to think about. I have never looked at it that way. Will pray on this for clearer understanding. Thank you.

Blessings

Blessings to you also Acolyte! The Holy Spirit has revealed it to you.

 

[Stan B]

How can you be satisfied, when you don't know which "he" is beng referenced in KJV- Dan. 9[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Q1. Since the word "he" is in the singular, and "the people" is in the plural, surely you must know that the word "he" is in reference to the Messiah Jesus.
If not, then please restudy, using Isaiah 55:8-9 and John 16:13 as your only "guide" , and not the religious teachings of men and their commentaries.

Who he is, is very simply stated in the passage. He is the anti-christ, the prince of the people who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.

 

[Earburner]

The Bible is to be taken literally unless it specifically reveals otherwise within the context. But I rely upon the promise of the Holy Spirit who has promised to lead us into all truth. It has been working rather well so far.

But as Isaiah 55:8-9 says and implies, our thoughts about His Truth are not His thoughts about His Truth, who is Jesus.
Therefore, if Jesus be in you, and you are in Jesus, then the Mind of Christ (his Truth) is within you, who is the Holy Spirit.
So then, by which mind are you discerning God's word? By your's or by His?
The prophetic word of God is not revealed to us through "scholarly learning", but rather by His Spirit only!

 

[Bobby Jo]

I am satisfied that the Scripture declares the 70th week as a 7 year period, as well as the Book of Revelation which reiterates the 7 years if the Tribulation over and over.

Hi Stan B
A LOT of people are satisfied with their "comfort zone". It doesn't make it correct, -- but they are "satisfied".

Now to be CORRECT, one might ask a SIMPLE question:

What Scriptural precedent or Society purchases a pair of shoes for "seven and sixty-two" dollars?
Sixty-nine? -- Certainly! Four score and ten; a mile and a quarter; a dozen and a half? -- Yep! But there is NO Scriptural precedent or any Society which accounts numbers typical of "seven and sixty-two".​

Sir Isaac Newton’s DANIEL AND THE APOCALYPSE
by Sir William Whitla, London, 1922, Chapt. X, p. 281
Daniel and the Apocalypse

We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation.​

Now the RSV and a handful of other translations get it right, but I'll bet your translation has a False "JESUS FULFILLMENT" agenda in which Scripture is twisted to achieve their "FULFILLMENT".

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing ...​

... for what you see in TRUTH is TWO anointed ones/messiahs (small "a"/"m") versus the ONE Jesus.


But don't worry about the TRUTH, because it's more important to be "satisfied" ...
Bobby Jo


PS
It's not just the "seven and sixty-two", it's a HOST of departures (maybe a dozen) from Scripture and History.