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Have you considered My servant, Job?
...who still holds fast to his integrity, albeit a very strange, feminine form, hmm. weird. Five (ha, 5) occurrences, v over 60 for the masculine tammam.
No idea...who this is for, but Job did after all repent, twice...and all of the fem occurrences are in Job, or a couple vis "the upright" in proverbs. Also note the diff in Job's description v Noach's @ initial "upright"
 
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unless he can't lie when he's talking to God, LOL.
man, so weird, i challenged someone yesterday to Quote satan lying lol, and the only Quote i find for satan lying is when he does talk to God! HA! "he will curse You to Your face" etc
nevermind ok, just an observation, might not even be right
Satan's accusations usually do have an element of truth to them, but it's still not HIS justice. Remember that Satan is a liar and the father of lies. Anything he says will be twisted in some way. The devil can't help but to lie, unless he can't lie when he's talking to God, LOL.

I'm still trying to figure out where you got the idea of "demonic justice."

Also, you said that God's justice always has mercy with it. I had asked you what you mean by this. God is a merciful God, to be sure. He is full of mercy and lovingkindness. Some people think that because He is merciful, he wouldn't exact eternal punishment on people, but I believe the Bible says He does. I don't mean to open a can of worms here. I'm sure there are other threads that debate this, I just mean to say that while you and I agree that God is merciful, He does sentence the unrepentant to eternal punishment.
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if only we knew what Eternal meant, i guess

who told you that you were naked?

so wadr i would be careful about saying what God does, unequivocally anyway
 

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The person who's raised it even a little also can create a "field of charm" around himself. Call it "charisma" if you like. I managed to turn it off when it happened to me. Too many people found me attractive and wanted to be around -- for the wrong reasons.
i suspect that this is Paul's "thorn," but ty regardless, nice imo
 

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This is absolutely false!

Miracles come from God's power unless they are false signs and wonders. This is what you're talking about--the false!
i doubt he would disagree pw, nonetheless miracles can come from serpent power imo anyway.
we're going to mars (ha, mars, how apropos!) now?
 

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We may risk a form of mental instability by condemning things and dignities we don't yet understand.
man, i had a great list of things that were initially strongly resisted by most people that we now understand to be basic human rights...let it get away from me tho.
Yes, he saw future events happening; but those future events remained in the future. What is so hard about this?
it forces a perspective change, almost like showing someone a map who has never seen a map, i think. Easy once it is seen, but also easy to not see.
 
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Actually, 4Jesus gave a good explanation of the serpent on the pole. The serpent was used because the people were dying from snake bites.
cmon, really? I mean, i guess that is true in a sense, and we Believers wholly accept the Snake for healing today, too, but wadr to both of you this is...hiding more than it is revealing imo
 

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LOL. Don't think we are any smarter though. I think most of us would be hard pressed to be chosen to even get into the barrel. At least based on intelligence anyway.

Lol, definitely. Reminds me of a quote from "Star Wars", from the character Obi Wan Kenobi "Who's the bigger fool, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Just to entertain this thought, we only really know of satan's "intelligence" (I put intelligence in quotes because it's not intelligent if all that one does ends up in the lake of fire), not the other angels. They could all be as dumb as humans, with only satan given intelligence (by the way of opposition) by God-the-Father.

It's like that Carlin quote "Think how dumb the average human is. Half are dumber than that", lol. Could apply to all the angels that followed satan though lol.

Also, and this is just a fun stretch, I wonder if we get the pattern of the smart leader and dumb but strong sidekicks in movies and books, such as "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (the pig manure guy and the brute), Superman (Zod the smart leader, and his dumb but strong sidekick), "Of Mice and Men" (George and Lennie) etc., because of satan and his angels, lol.
 

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We may risk a form of mental instability from condemning evil??? I have the mind of Christ. God has not given me a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. I will think on that which is GOOD...
the point being you are right now expressing that you have the knowledge of good and evil though, see.
This snake stuff you're promoting is NOT good! It's evil!
i would urge some more contemplation there, although i'll have to read the post that engendered this reply now; Giuliano is serving meat imo, and these things tend to change colors the more we look at them ok. I doubt he is misleading there, brb
 
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I know many people may be tempted to think Revelation 12 is old history -- but it isn't. John says at the beginning and end of the book, that he's describing future events. I take him at his word.

I'm with you on this. The key to it being still future, besides Revelation being given and written around 95 AD and stating "must shortly come to pass" in Revelation 1:1, is within Revelation 12:8-12 "8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

They're kicked out of heaven for good this time (and this is after satan was cast down after his initial rebellion, then can go back and forth into Heaven from Earth with stories like Job and Joshua the Hih Priest). Knowing this, the devil and his angels know they have a short time, since they found out God created the Lake of Fire for them and Jesus won.

This is the grand finale, if you will, before they're thrown into the Lake of Fire.

A question I have then, is who is the child in Revelation 12, that was born and called to God's throne? Is this child alive, here and now, or was he here, and has been called up? My only guess is this child, is the same as John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.". The Holy Ghost could be alive and walking the Earth today, or was here in our lifetime. If this is true, why isn't he known?
 
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"but the devil no longer has a place of prominence at God's throne" is a quite interesting fact, though, see, and i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here, however, how might you prove this fact?
I don't know I'd characterize that as a fact.
Being as how Satan can apparently freely approach God's throne and you nor i (ostensibly...supposedly) cannot?
Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit. If the spirit of a person is still entangled with the material flesh, it's trapped. We could even say "imprisoned." Such a person doesn't know the difference between spirit, soul and the physical flesh since they remain entangled. In that state, he cannot the problem on his own. All the logic in the world won't help him since his mind is manipulating terms that have been defined inaccurately.

Only a spiritual being (of fire) can rise to enter the Heaven of fire. To do that, spirit, soul, and flesh must be separated so he knows the difference -- and the "intelligence" that produces it can be called the "Word of God."

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

We see Isaiah rising to that Heaven. We see John doing it. Anyone born of the spirit can do it if it deemed appropriate.

As for the Throne of God? Surely it can be said to be in the Third Heaven, but does it extend downwards also?

Not meaning to use this against you, as i do agree in sporit ok, but it was too handy an illustration, if you will forgive me

the "father" of lies, yeh!
my current theory is "facts"
It may depend on what we call "lies."

Should I go around telling people they are fat? Ugly? Stupid? What if they are? Does that justify me making unkind and unnecessary remarks that don't solve anything, that don't serve any useful purpose?

How bitter and sweet, good and evil, can be mixed by the tongues of men. . . .
 
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They are not. The masons have been plotting the destruction of the Catholic church for at least 100 years...
As far as I know, an automatic penalty of excommunication still applies to any Catholic who joins them.

Peace!
What's going on with Georgetown University then? I am very curious.
 

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he will, huh? man, you guys are always so sure lol...
but i'm kinda surprised that you place "water" above dry land? Can you explain how you came to this understanding? ty
Up and down are not to be taken literally. It may seem that way, but it's not really that way. They actually intersect or overlap. You navigate to a higher level by "moving up" -- so it feels like -- but that's an illusion.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Genesis is just as obscure since we're told the waters of the flood came down as rain and also up from below.

The descriptions of fire, air, water and earth indicate how fluid objects are, or how fast they can change. Things can change in a flash in the Third Heaven. Thus the "lion" is announced in Revelation worthy of opening seals -- but quick as a flash it's a lamb that appears. Air is a little slower, and water is even slower yet. Earth is the slowest. It is a good place to learn about "cause" and "effect."

Baptism occurs in both air (upper waters) and water (lower waters). I do not mean physical air and water. Those are symbols meant to imprint things on the mind. If successfully baptized, a new piece of "dry land" emerges, just as it does in Genesis 1. A "stone" emerges.
 

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"because they were being bitten by snakes" is strictly a first approach imo, not saying wrong
So if Satan is afflicting someone, he should find an image of Satan to look at? Is that what people are saying? Something doesn't sound right to me with that theory.
 
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Up and down are not to be taken literally. It may seem that way, but it's not really that way. They actually intersect or overlap. You navigate to a higher level by "moving up" -- so it feels like -- but that's an illusion.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Genesis is just as obscure since we're told the waters of the flood came down as rain and also up from below.

The descriptions of fire, air, water and earth indicate how fluid objects are, or how fast they can change. Things can change in a flash in the Third Heaven. Thus the "lion" is announced in Revelation worthy of opening seals -- but quick as a flash it's a lamb that appears. Air is a little slower, and water is even slower yet. Earth is the slowest. It is a good place to learn about "cause" and "effect."

Baptism occurs in both air (upper waters) and water (lower waters). I do not mean physical air and water. Those are symbols meant to imprint things on the mind. If successfully baptized, a new piece of "dry land" emerges, just as it does in Genesis 1. A "stone" emerges.
this is not supported by the image of Javan, to me. intersting pov nonetheless, ty