Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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Did you read the last verse I quoted in my post? Here it is again.

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31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


Why? Because breaking the law is not in our born again divine nature. 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

The Torah points out sin. But Jesus takes away our sin, and Him there is no sin. No sin in you, no need for the Torah to keep guiding you. Galatians 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made.

For instance, the Torah only commanded against murder. Jesus commandment is against hate. 1 John 3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

If you don't hate, you will NEVER break the law against murder. Understand?

Not everyone has this power of Christ in them. And the Torah will judge them. But a true born again, Spirit-filled Christian is not under the law, we truly live the eternal law of God to love Him with all our heart, mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

If you only teach Torah, that is as the righteousness as the Pharisees. God requires a deeper righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees.

Upholding the Torah through love does not exclude the commands of the Torah, it includes them. If you say you love God, but then disobey, "you shall bind my words in your doorposts", you are no longer in love towards God, because you have disobeyed God. Love towards God and your neighbor includes all the other commands of the Torah. It doesn't exclude them, as if to say, "I have fuzzy lovey feelings for my neighbor so I've fulfilled the Torah".
 

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The 10 Commandments were written on stone: "But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was..." Corinthians 3:7
And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6

And, again...IF we follow Jesus TWO commands, we will NOT be breaking ANY law! And, how is it you cherry pick which "Jewish" laws to follow and which ones to toss out?? The Law is for the Lawless.

Are you not aware that those two commands came from the Torah itself? These two commands are the summary of all the commands of the Torah, and the other commands of the Torah tells us HOW TO love our neighbor and love God. Lovey dubby feelings of love are not sufficient. If you love your neighbor, then you will feed him if he is hungry. If you love your neighbor and his grocery bag ripped and all his groceries came out, then you will help him. If you love your neighbor and you lend to him, you won't charge him interest. If you love God, then you will affix mezuzot on your doorposts just as he commanded. If you love God, then you will not dress as a woman if you are a man, just as he commanded. Loving God and loving your neighbor includes all the other commands of the Torah, it doesn't exclude them.
 

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Upholding the Torah through love does not exclude the commands of the Torah, it includes them. If you say you love God, but then disobey, "you shall bind my words in your doorposts", you are no longer in love towards God, because you have disobeyed God. Love towards God and your neighbor includes all the other commands of the Torah. It doesn't exclude them, as if to say, "I have fuzzy lovey feelings for my neighbor so I've fulfilled the Torah".

Of course, but we are given the power of God to never break them, and even to be more righteous than those who only keep Torah perfectly. That is what Jesus did for us.
 
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Are you not aware that those two commands came from the Torah itself?

You have it backwards. Those two commands are eternal. The Ten Commandments were holy and based on them, but could never fulfill them. So if they were not as good as the eternal laws, why give them? Galatians 3:What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to whom the promise was made

The Seed is Jesus. In Him we can now keep the eternal laws of God that cures sin at the core, the heart. It is no longer enough to just be outwardly righteous by just keeping the Torah, keeping the Ten Commandments, wearing tassels, and all the other things to be seen by man. God sees the inner man.
 
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Are you not aware that those two commands came from the Torah itself? These two commands are the summary of all the commands of the Torah, and the other commands of the Torah tells us HOW TO love our neighbor and love God. Lovey dubby feelings of love are not sufficient. If you love your neighbor, then you will feed him if he is hungry. If you love your neighbor and his grocery bag ripped and all his groceries came out, then you will help him. If you love your neighbor and you lend to him, you won't charge him interest. If you love God, then you will affix mezuzot on your doorposts just as he commanded. If you love God, then you will not dress as a woman if you are a man, just as he commanded. Loving God and loving your neighbor includes all the other commands of the Torah, it doesn't exclude them.

Um, yes...of course I know where Jesus two commands came from!! And, I pretty much said the same as you (more or less) only with fewer words...the TWO commands Jesus gave has the rest of the commandments (TEN) hanging from them when fulfilled...He even raised the bar on a few things! The ten Commandments are pointing us (CHRISTIANS) to what sin is to God. Doorposts, tassels for the forehead are something YOU were never invited to...you seem to think that when God spoke in the Old Covenant that He was directing everything to everybody...wrong, it was for the Israelite's to distinguish them from GENTILES.
I never mentioned anything "lovey dovey". The kind of love God want's from us to one another is Agape, and yes I know what that means in action. Nothing lovey dovey about it. See a need? Fill it.
 

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If you are talking about imputed righteousness given to us as a covering, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO SIN UNDERNEATH, that is a myth. Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin...Whoever is born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in Him, and he CANNOT sin, because He has been BORN OF GOD.
Nope, that's not what I mean at all. There's no hiding behind grace. IOW, we don't sin because we are under grace. Anyone who thinks this way doesn't understand grace, which is God's saving and sustaining power.

The righteousness I'm talking about is the righteousness of God imputed to us when we are born again. I hesitate to get into this because there's a whole thread about it.

We obey Jesus because we love Him!
 
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Of course, but we are given the power of God to never break them, and even to be more righteous than those who only keep Torah perfectly. That is what Jesus did for us.

You cannot be "righteous" if you break commands of the Torah. Righteousness is obedience to the Torah. I perceive you don't quite understand this.
 

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You have it backwards. Those two commands are eternal. The Ten Commandments were holy and based on them, but could never fulfill them. So if they were not as good as the eternal laws, why give them? Galatians 3:What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to whom the promise was made

The Seed is Jesus. In Him we can now keep the eternal laws of God that cures sin at the core, the heart. It is no longer enough to just be outwardly righteous by just keeping the Torah, keeping the Ten Commandments, wearing tassels, and all the other things to be seen by man. God sees the inner man.

No, there is error in what you say. Not stealing from your neighbor IS the fulfillment of love your neighbor as yourself. Not charging your brother interest IS the fulfillment of love your neighbor as yourself. Affixing mezuzot to doorposts IS the fulfillment of love your God with all your heart. The other commands of the Torah define HOW TO love our neighbor and God. Loving your God and your neighbor doesn't exclude the other commands, it includes them. You have no understanding, and think you do.
 

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You cannot be "righteous" if you break commands of the Torah. Righteousness is obedience to the Torah. I perceive you don't quite understand this.

And I perceive that you don't understand the word "cannot."

Because of the power of the Spirit in us, we CANNOT break the Ten Commandments. You expect your outward apparel to save you.
 

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Jesus died in our place, same diff to me :)
well, so you say, but imo that would be in direct violation of
Ezekiel 18:20 Lexicon: "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
Ezekiel 18:20

however, Christ died for my sins, dont get me wrong ok.
I killed Emmanuel when i founded the world, is my current understanding
 

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No, there is error in what you say. Not stealing from your neighbor IS the fulfillment of love your neighbor as yourself. Not charging your brother interest IS the fulfillment of love your neighbor as yourself. Affixing mezuzot to doorposts IS the fulfillment of love your God with all your heart. The other commands of the Torah define HOW TO love our neighbor and God. Loving your God and your neighbor doesn't exclude the other commands, it includes them. You have no understanding, and think you do.

Is it better to have the Word of God on your doorpost, or in your heart?

These outward displays or "works" have been fulfilled in Christ, and His Spirit of Truth teaches us the true Word of God.
 
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And I perceive that you don't understand the word "cannot."

Because of the power of the Spirit in us, we CANNOT break the Ten Commandments. You expect your outward apparel to save you.

The Torah is not limited to just the ten commandments, it is the entire first 5 books of the bible. Outward appearance does matter, because even aside from commands regarding tzitzit and tefillin, a man is commanded to not dress as a woman. Clearly outward appearance matters, because not all the commands of God are only regarding the heart, but also regarding what we do, and what we wear. You have no understanding of the truth, and are therefore also as torahless as these other people, masqueraded under a false wisdom.
 

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Is it better to have the Word of God on your doorpost, or in your heart?

These outward displays or "works" have been fulfilled in Christ, and His Spirit of Truth teaches us the true Word of God.

Both actually, because both are commanded of God.

And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart.
Deuteronomy 6:6

You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deuteronomy 6:9

You have no understanding of the truth, which is why you set aside the least of the commands of the Torah, regarding the mezuzot. Dumb. How difficult is it really to put mezuzot on your doorposts? Obey, and live.
 

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Um, yes...of course I know where Jesus two commands came from!! And, I pretty much said the same as you (more or less) only with fewer words...the TWO commands Jesus gave has the rest of the commandments (TEN) hanging from them when fulfilled...He even raised the bar on a few things! The ten Commandments are pointing us (CHRISTIANS) to what sin is to God. Doorposts, tassels for the forehead are something YOU were never invited to...you seem to think that when God spoke in the Old Covenant that He was directing everything to everybody...wrong, it was for the Israelite's to distinguish them from GENTILES.
I never mentioned anything "lovey dovey". The kind of love God want's from us to one another is Agape, and yes I know what that means in action. Nothing lovey dovey about it. See a need? Fill it.

What set apart the sons of Israel is what also sets us apart as Gentiles who believe, for the Gentiles who believe are grafted into the one cultivate olive tree, which is Israel, which is why just as they were commanded to abstain from sexual immorality, so in likewise manner we are commanded to abstain from sexual immorality, because it is the commands of the Torah that set us apart from those who are torahless, which back then were the Gentiles who had no Torah, and today are unbelievers who have no belief and no Torah, whereas you, are a mere believer without Torah, which is worse than an atheist, because it would be better to be an atheist without belief and no Torah than to be lukewarm believer with mere belief and no Torah.
 

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Both actually, because both are commanded of God.

And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart.
Deuteronomy 6:6

You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deuteronomy 6:9

You have no understanding of the truth, which is why you set aside the least of the commands of the Torah, regarding the mezuzot. Dumb. How difficult is it really to put mezuzot on your doorposts? Obey, and live.

If you want to keep the Old Covenant, that is up to you. I am under the New Covenant and will stay here.

Test yourself to see which of us is right? Are all your prayers answered and you receive what you have asked for? I will tell you right now that 100% of my prayers are answered because I keep the commandments of the New Covenant.
 
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Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:21, But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:27, Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 3:28, Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:13, For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14, For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15, Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16, Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Rom 5:13, (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Rom 5:20, Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Only a few verses that came up when I did a search for the word "law" in the New Testament.

re #174.
 
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If you want to keep the Old Covenant, that is up to you. I am under the New Covenant and will stay here.

Test yourself to see which of us is right? Are all your prayers answered and you receive what you have asked for? I will tell you right now that 100% of my prayers are answered because I keep the commandments of the New Covenant.

God hears your prayers? Excellent. Pray and ask God to raise my grandmother from the dead this very moment. Let us see if he will hear you. Shouldn't be difficult for someone who truly has the anointing.
 

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God hears your prayers? Excellent. Pray and ask God to raise my grandmother from the dead this very moment. Let us see if he will hear you. Shouldn't be difficult for someone who truly has the anointing.

That is not how it works in the New Covenant of Jesus. I'm not in charge of my prayers, as it is not my will but His, I wait and listen for God's will. Can you hear God? God is not my servant, I am His.
 
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That is not how it works. I'm not in charge of my prayers, I wait and listen for God's will. Can you hear God?

Just as I thought, you have no power, because you do not have the anointing. Indeed God may have answered these so called prayers of yours, but even men that are excessively evil men and tyrants prosper by the choice of God, but it is only an illusion, because eventually their torahlessness will reap destruction, just like your torahlessness, which you've justified under your own delusions that things are going just the way you want. Dumb.