Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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Not only did the Messiah say that the Torah is still binding, but even the prophets tell us that the reason the earth will be destroyed is because the world has discarded the Torah, just like you,

See, Yehovah is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants, it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. Yehovah has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languish with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the Torah, violated the statutes and broken the aeonial covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
Isaiah 24:1-6
The reality is, I've actually kept Moses' command, even though it was not given to me.

There arose a prophet, and I hear Him.

So, we know that God will judge the world, and we also no that in Christ is no condemnation.

Tell me. Do you keep the entire Law?
 

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God is already confirming that I keep His commandments and am pleasing in His sight, by answering my prayers. Your curses you are trying to put on me roll off me like water off a ducks back. Stop trying to be Simon the Sorcerer! That is forbidden!

Haha. Even atheists and tyrants get what they want by the choice of God and remain under a delusion that everything will be alright. Keep thinking you don't have to obey the Torah, soon enough my words will be proven true, when you stand condemned because of your torahlessness.
 

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The reality is, I've actually kept Moses' command, even though it was not given to me.

There arose a prophet, and I hear Him.

So, we know that God will judge the world, and we also no that in Christ is no condemnation.

Tell me. Do you keep the entire Law?

Is that so? Have you affixed mezuzot? Do you wear tzitzit? Do you wear tefillin? Have you gotten rid of paper money and fiat currency? Anyone who obeys the Torah, truly, must do these things.
 

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You deceive yourself. Obey the Torah, or down the road you will be thrown into the lake of lava, for it is written, "depart from me, you workers of torahlessness".
Nope. You keep rewriting Scripture to bolster your point.

That's no good. If you can't say it without the actual words of Scripture, maybe thats not what you should be saying?

The criteria for being tossed into the lake of fire is whether or not your name is written in the Book of Life. And whether or not your name is written in the Book of Life is based on whether or not sin is imputed to you. And whether or not sin is imputed to you is determined by whether your guilt is removed by Jesus' sacrifice, and your acceptance and trust.

Not by pretending to be keeping the Law by doing those parts you've selected some of the time. No one keeps the Law all the time, and it's not even possible to keep portions of the Law.
 

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Nope. You keep rewriting Scripture to bolster your point.

That's no good. If you can't say it without the actual words of Scripture, maybe thats not what you should be saying?

The criteria for being tossed into the lake of fire is whether or not your name is written in the Book of Life. And whether or not your name is written in the Book of Life is based on whether or not sin is imputed to you. And whether or not sin is imputed to you is determined by whether your guilt is removed by Jesus' sacrifice, and your acceptance and trust.

Not by pretending to be keeping the Law by doing those parts you've selected some of the time. No one keeps the Law all the time, and it's not even possible to keep portions of the Law.

The scriptures were written in Hebrew and Greek. We are required to obey the Torah. Understand.
 

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You people are so dumb.

Keep thinking you don't have to obey the Torah, soon enough my words will be proven true, when you stand condemned because of your torahlessness.

By their fruits you shall know them. Men don't gather grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles. --Jesus.

Jesus said it was still binding UNTIL all was fulfilled.

The scripture in question makes it clear that all will not be fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away.
 

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Is that so? Have you affixed mezuzot? Do you wear tzitzit? Do you wear tefillin? Have you gotten rid of paper money and fiat currency? Anyone who obeys the Torah, truly, must do these things.
When Moses prophesied that another prophet would arise, and whomever didn't listen to Him would be cut off from the people, what he was saying is this.

The Law was given that by the keeping of the Law you would live. But in that Moses declared that not listening to this Prophet would be forfeiture of life, there is of necessity a change. No longer would life be conditioned on the keeping of the Law, it would then be conditioned on the hearing (heeding) of this Prophet.

Anyone who obeys Torah must also tithe to the Levite. To whom do you tithe? Who is the Levite that you include in your sacrifices? And where do you sacrifice? Your peace offerings, and fellowship offerings?

What? You do not do these things? Oh my!
 
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When Moses prophesied that another prophet would arise, and whomever didn't listen to Him would be cut off from the people, what he was saying is this.

The Law was given that by the keeping of the Law you would live. But in that Moses declared that not listening to this Prophet would be forfeiture of life, there is of necessity a change. No longer would life be conditioned on the keeping of the Law, it would then be conditioned on the hearing (heeding) of this Prophet.

Anyone who obeys Torah must also tithe to the Levite. To whom do you tithe? Who is the Levite that you include in your sacrifices? And where do you sacrifice? Your peace offerings, and fellowship offerings?

What? You do not do these things? Oh my!

The Torah was changed with the Messiah, hence "for when there is a change in priesthood there is also a change in Torah" and "let no man judge you by food, drink, feasts, new moons, or shabbaths". So, while do not steal and do not commit adultery remain binding from the Torah, you shall kill a lamb every year is not required. Understand.
 

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He finished his time in this mortal body, not finished the entire Torah. Why is this so difficult to understand?
We should read these words, It is finished, with Psalm 22 in mind . . .


30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

There will be a new people, the people born of God. They will come and declare God's righteousness to those who were yet to be born, that God did this. Did what?

A seed shall serve him, it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
 

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The Torah was changed with the Messiah, hence "for when there is a change in priesthood there is also a change in Torah" and "let no man judge you by food, drink, feasts, new moons, or shabbaths". So, while do not steal and do not commit adultery remain binding from the Torah, you shall kill a lamb every year is not required. Understand.
And why is killing a lamb not required?

What is the reason?
 

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He finished his time in this mortal body, not finished the entire Torah. Why is this so difficult to understand? The appointed time of the trumpets of the Torah, Day of Atonement of the Torah, Feast of Tabernacles of the Torah, and the millennial Shabbath of the Torah remain to be fulfilled, beginning at his second coming, that is why, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah, until all is fulfilled". Once the millennial rulership of the Messiah is complete, then the the entire Torah will be fulfilled, but not before. That is why the Messiah will rule this earth by the words of the Torah, "for out of Mount Zion will go forth the Torah", for the Torah is still binding. And its precisely because of people like you that the entire earth will be destroyed, because you people have disobeyed and rejected the Torah. Poor fools.

You are still doing the works of the Torah, which means you have fallen from grace. And you are teaching others to do the same so you are also a Judaizer and trying to bewitch people with your sorcery.
 

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The Torah was changed with the Messiah, hence "for when there is a change in priesthood there is also a change in Torah" and "let no man judge you by food, drink, feasts, new moons, or shabbaths". So, while do not steal and do not commit adultery remain binding from the Torah, you shall kill a lamb every year is not required. Understand.

I'd like to re-ask this part . . .

Anyone who obeys Torah must also tithe to the Levite. To whom do you tithe? Who is the Levite that you include in your sacrifices? And where do you sacrifice? Your peace offerings, and fellowship offerings?
 

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Because the Messiah, our Passover lamb has been sacrificed. We fulfill the requirement of the Passover through Yeshuah.
Because something greater has come, would you agree? And so the lesser isn't needed. Is that right?
 

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You are still doing the works of the Torah, which means you have fallen from grace. And you are teaching others to do the same so you are also a Judaizer and trying to bewitch people with your sorcery.

Judaizing is teaching people to observe matters of Torah that are not required, such as circumcision or observance of feasts. I do not teach observing these, because they are no longer required. All other matters of Torah are. You on the other hand, are torahless, "lawless", which is why you perceive my promulgation of obedience to the Torah as evil, rather than understood that it is good, because that is ultimately what we are called to do, obey the Torah, by what the Messiah and the apostles and the prophets of old instructed us. You are a false anointed one, a false believer, an imposter, and for that reason, unless you change, you will be thrown alive into the lake of lava, for it is written, "depart from me you workers of torahlessness" and "I am going to devastate the earth because its inhabitants have disobeyed my Torah". I am exhausted arguing the same thing over and over with a fool who understands nothing.
 

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Jesus has not told me to do those things.

He doesn't realize that the Word of God on the doorpost symbolizes the blood of the Lamb, the Word of God that was placed on the doorposts. Jesus fulfilled it for him if he would only accept it.
 

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Judaizing is teaching people to observe matters of Torah that are not required, such as circumcision or observance of feasts. I do not teach observing these, because they are no longer required. All other matters of Torah are. You on the other hand, are torahless, "lawless", which is why you perceive my promulgation of obedience to the Torah as evil, rather than understood that it is good, because that is ultimately what we are called to do, obey the Torah, by what the Messiah and the apostles and the prophets of old instructed us. You are a false anointed one, a false believer, an imposter, and for that reason, unless you change, you will be thrown alive into the lake of lava, for it is written, "depart from me you workers of torahlessness" and "I am going to devastate the earth because its inhabitants have disobeyed my Torah". I am exhausted arguing the same thing over and over with a fool who understands nothing.


You don't realize that the word of God on the doorpost symbolizes the blood of the Lamb, the Word of God that was placed on the doorposts. Jesus fulfilled it for you if you would only accept it. We are not under any part of the Old Covenant. The New Covenant has better promises.
 

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You don't realize that the word of God on the doorpost symbolizes the blood of the Lamb, the Word of God that was placed on the doorposts. Jesus fulfilled it for you if you would only accept it.

This coming from the person saying we should build arks if we obey the Torah. I might use that logic in one of my next classes to show everyone in class how truly stupid the torahless are in finding stupid reasons to discard it.