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Featured Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by gaviria.christian, Nov 4, 2019.

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    What you call "lesser" is the knowledge of sin. There are still sinners on the earth. Clearly it is still needed.
     
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    Those were HIS commandments for the New Covenant, not the old commandments. That was from the Sermon on the Mount. He was teaching laws that will be written on the heart, not on stone.
     
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    They are still, in, the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    No, it was the commands of the Torah. That is why in the previous verse it says,

    For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Torah until all is fulfilled. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Matthew 5:18-19

    and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of Yehovah from Jerusalem.
    Isaiah 2:3

    You are a false believer and an imposter. You believe and teach torahlessness.
     
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    And they will be cursed for disobeying even the least of the commands, because sinners will still exist in the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, hence,

    No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
    Isaiah 65:20
     
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    Anytime you point the finger at someone else, you have three fingers pointing back at you.
     
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    The kingdom of heaven does not refer to the millennial kingdom. It refers to when we shall ever be with the Lord in heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
     
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    The Messiah pointed fingers at the Pharisees, and he was blameless. We are all called to obey the Torah.
     
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    No one goes to heaven. The people of God are appointed to live and rule on this earth for 1,000 years with the Messiah, then live on the new earth, in the New Jerusalem when it descends on the new earth.
     
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    You are not the Messiah.

    See Colossians 1:4, 1 Peter 1:4.

    But why am I trying to convince you of something so unimportant compared to the fact that you have rejected Jesus' sacrifice so that you can attempt to enter in to the kingdom through the power of your works and keeping of the law?

    For these things are mutually exclusive. If you are going to enter in through your works, you are not relying on what Christ did for you on the Cross.

    But I suspect that in the final end, you are going to attempt to claim to be the real Messiah instead of Jesus.

    For that reason, I do not see that there is much hope for you.
     
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    Why would I ever attempt to claim to be the Messiah? I gotta hear this one, maybe I'll share this absurdity in my next class.
     
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    Because your doctrine is so out there, the only way anyone would ever receive it would be if you actually were the Messiah.

    You are probably the only person in all the world who believes what you believe; so you would have to have a Messiah complex in there somewhere...
     
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    I'm not the only person in the world that teaches obedience to the Torah. Have you never heard of "Jews"? Have you never heard of "Messianics"? Hello?
     
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    Jews and Messianics generally don't go to Christian websites trying to get Christians to go back under the law.

    They at least have the sense to see that there is a superiority to the Christian faith; in that the Holy Spirit is at work among Christians.

    On a slightly separate note. I wanted to mention this passage:

    Gal 3:1, O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
    Gal 3:2, This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
    Gal 3:3, Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
    Gal 3:4, Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
    Gal 3:5, He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
    Gal 3:6, Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
     
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    Because you teach that you will receive the anointing once you begin to keep the law perfectly.
     
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    Do you really think that you can "work" your way to The Father, because all you do is (seemingly) depend solely on your keeping of Jewish Laws from the OT. Why can't you except that we are now living in a NEW COVENANT which means a huge change in all things. It also gives us the LAST "High Priest"...Jesus Christ. If your focus is on nothing but what YOU do, then it is not at all on The Christ. I pray for you to see the freedom in Christ because He did not die for nothing!
     
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    Build arks? I have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    Matthew 5 is the Sermon on the Mount.
     
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    Obedience is required.
     
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