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Featured Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by gaviria.christian, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Where is Jesus right now? And who does He come back with? So where are those He brings with Him now?
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    The Sermon on the Mount is the better version of the laws of God that the Torah did not reach to, because of it being weak through the flesh.
     
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    The dead sleep. The Messiah returns with his set-apart angels, which is when the dead in the Messiah are raised.
     
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    You know nothing. Stubborn and blind.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    1 Thessalonians 4:
    13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I just quoted a scripture and you didn't even recognize the truth of it. Do you only study the Old Testament?

    "The LAW was weak through the flesh" Do you know what that means? It is the reason why the Sermon on the Mount was declaring the updating of the old Law for the New Covenant, and why the Old Covenant is now obsolete. Even though the New Covenant laws are harder, why are they not as hard to keep? You know the answer, I hope.
     
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    The correct translation is "God those who have fallen asleep through Yeshuah will bring together to him", because the dead are asleep, awaiting the resurrection, hence,

    For this we declare to you by a word from the Master, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Master, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Master himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in the Messiah will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air, and so we will always be with the Master.
    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

    A soul without a body cannot see or think or hear, because those are functions of the body, which is why the soul sleeps at death, and also why a resurrection is necessary, to give the soul a new body. You have been deceived into believing a lie that souls do not sleep at death. Even the Tanakh teaches that the soul sleeps at death. Everything you believe and teach is a lie. You know nothing.
     
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    I study the entire scriptures, which is why my website offerings knowledge and information on many topics, both from the new and old testament. The knowledge of the Torah is paramount in understanding the new testament. And that is why you people are impoverished in understanding, blind fools who know nothing, on a path to destruction, because you've discarded the Torah.
     
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    This is the literal translation:

    14 for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him,
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I asked you a question that you didn't answer.

    The LAW was weak through the flesh" Do you know what that means?
     
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    The souls of the dead sleep, and are kept in Sheol, until the day of resurrection. Hence,

    He said, “Leave; for the girl has not died, but is asleep.” And they began laughing at Him.
    Matthew 9:24

    After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
    1 Corinthians 15:6

    Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.
    Ecclesiastes 9:10

    It is not the dead who praise Yehovah, those who go down to the place of silence;
    Psalm 115:17

    Consider and answer me, O Yehovah my God; light up my eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death,
    Psalm 13:3

    For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your merciful one see corruption.
    Psalm 16:10

    For great is your steadfast love toward me; you have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol.
    Psalm 86:13

    You who have made me see many troubles and calamities will revive me again; from the depths of the earth you will bring me up again.
    Psalm 71:20

    For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
    Matthew 12:40

    The Soul, the Aeolian Body, Sleep of Death, the Mistranslation of the Word Spirit, and the Identity of the Airflow of God | Wisdom of God
     
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    The Torah is still binding. Obey.
     
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    What does the law was weak through the flesh mean? By not being able to answer, your ignorance is showing...
     
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    I'll let you think about it. Good night.
     
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    I've already proven through scripture that the Torah is still binding. And still you refuse to understand and obey after showing you many different times that I am telling you the truth. So why should I bother wasting more of my time explaining more things that you simply will also refuse to understand in relation to obedience to the Torah? Fine, continue believing that you can disobey the Torah, while I continue continue obeying the Torah, and let us see who inherits salvation and who does not. But there is no point in arguing this matter further. I don't particularly need you to believe that the Torah is still binding, do as you want. I am only on here to share the truth freely to whoever wants to listen, and plant links to my website for the benefit of others seeking the truth.
     
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    You can keep your religious garbage...it is sad stuff , and you miss the glory of an Amazing Father.

    ................I G N O R E
     
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    2Co 5:8, We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
     
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    It's too bad that vain arguments are best solved by: I G N O R E , as I've now had to effect for @gaviria.christian to stop "ALERTS" from this Topic, and from a person whose doctrines are catastrophically flawed.

    Many are called, but few are chosen,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    You've proven nothing. Like it or not, that scripture exists and is pertinent to the New Covenant. Without the New Covenant and the gospel, the Old Covenant will not save you. Stay ignorant if you like.
     
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    yeh, you could be rigt on the first, but then imo we have to ask why Jesus referred to Himself in that particular manner i guess. As to the second, might be a bit confusing at first blush, but Jesus might be perceived as a "Father" to us in that context?
    ha, i love you man, that is the best reply ever imo.
    As to the other, fear of God is after all the beginning of wisdom i guess
     
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