Stumbling Block verses

[bbyrd009]

No, I don't think the cup had real blood in it, but He meant something of a...parable with the bread and wine there. Using temporal things to...describe what He was about to do and who He was and why He came..

the blood of the grape was chosen bc it turns into wine in three days, maybe? i remem doing that one...there was or is a guy avatar "granpa" i think and "distilled wine" might get one to his study. Knew him on City Data i think it was. Never figured out why they banned me, all i can do is access and pm there to this day. Anyway it was kinda interesting, but dont recall it being too irl productive. kinda crotchety guy too, but i put that down to my pointed nature

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes. And the law speaks of Jesus.

ah; how? where? ty

Yes. And the law speaks of Jesus.

hmm, not sure your point there i guess
Grace speaks of Christ, and even Jesus, too?

 

[Episkopos]

The Father allowed His Son to die as an offering to the evil of this world...to show it for what it was...evil. God came to us in the weakness of the flesh...and the evil powers took advantage of that...just as God foresaw. To think that God poured out His wrath on His Son for the sins of the world...of which He was completely innocent...is a lie from the devil. It is the kind of evil that crucified Jesus.

How can a believer in Jesus Christ believe the lie?

 

[bbyrd009]

I keep contradictions on a shelf to come back to later when I sense the Spirit wants to unravel the contradiction. I had one contradiction on the shelf for 30 years! But finally it was solved, and the truth behind it was mind blowing!

how bout the Cyrene carrying Jesus' cross, after Jesus said explicitly that we must pick up our own? way over my head, man

 

[bbyrd009]

I guess I view it as His blood to buy us back to God, to give us a way to God. But it doesn't just stop there. It seems to me that a lot of people just see it as the end, when it is a beginning.

I desire mercy, not sacrifice tho eh

 

[bbyrd009]

So...His shedding of blood was for a purpose. But that purpose was to make an end of transgression, not so that transgression would continue.

in your opinion, right

what is transgression, anyway?
insert Spongebob "You can have it" here pls, YT not cooperating this am lol. I just posted it like 48 hours ago too, pretty sure that was here. Search tools here tho, arg

 

[stunnedbygrace]

ah; how? where? ty

It is ALL about Jesus. The law, the prophets. Jesus Himself said it was. He said He came to fulfill what the law and the prophets spoke. He said the law and the prophets spoke of Him and yet here He was and they refused to come to Him. (My paraphrase). And on Emmaus road He appeared to the two men and it says: And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

I'm not saying I can see and understand where He is in all of the law and prophets. I wish I had been on Emmaus road and heard Him or that the two men had written it all down, but it is all about Him.

 

[bbyrd009]

I think we see a ton of this going on right here on the forum, I mean unintended conflict and disagreements by confessing "Christians." Too bad it even gets bitter.

Surest way to tell if Eve is driving or not though i guess
ppl here all love that "iron sharpens iron" v tho huh;
really thats all the hint anyone needs imo

someone proudly proclaiming "iron sharpens iron" and you (not you) dont know to back away slowly while smiling, then it is what it is right

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I desire mercy, not sacrifice tho eh

And yet, drink this, its the blood of the new covenant...

And yet, no one takes my life, I give it up willingly.

 

[bbyrd009]

It is ALL about Jesus

think so, huh.
Bible Search: Jesus died for our sins
Bible Search: Christ died for our sins

 

[bbyrd009]

if anyone runs across that Spongebob Video "let him have it" could you post it on my page or something? or here? sure appreciate it

 

[bbyrd009]

And yet, drink this, its the blood of the new covenant...

And yet, no one takes my life, I give it up willingly.

two diff concepts i reckon, sure;
No Son of Man may die for another's sins;

 

[stunnedbygrace]

in your opinion, right

what is transgression, anyway?
insert Spongebob "You can have it" here pls, YT not cooperating this am lol. I just posted it like 48 hours ago too, pretty sure that was here. Search tools here tho, arg

I believe the transgression being spoken of in "to put an end to transgression" is begun in Genesis and continues through the prophets and to Jesus being put to death. I believe it is...an insurrection and an attempt to steal Gods creation and rule it. I believe the transgression was a coup, an uprising.

 

[bbyrd009]

I believe the transgression being spoken of in "to put an end to transgression" is begun in Genesis and continues through the prophets and to Jesus being put to death. I believe it is...an insurrection and an attempt to steal Gods creation and rule it. I believe the transgression was a coup, an uprising.

Who told you that you were naked?

 

[bbyrd009]

And where Peter received the correct answer from our Father in heaven.

who does the will of Yah are His sons though right

Thus, in navigating all these issues, it is important to give glory to God

the Old White Guy with a beard?

I see those who are pricked in the heart by His sacrifice being grateful, even if they don't have an complete or even correct understanding. Regardless, I see them receiving it as a gift, fully understanding that the result is eternal life.

how long is "eternal?"
Aeon | Definition of Aeon by Merriam-Webster
Definition of AEON
Aeon definition is - an immeasurably or indefinitely long period of time : age. How to use aeon in a sentence.

But I don't see the misunderstanding being a rabbit hole leading to a loss of salvation.

what is "salvation?"

but ty for playing :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

think so, huh.

Yes, I do. I think it's all about Him. Quite hidden from my understanding mostly, but yes, about Him. I don't claim to understand it all, but I believe He bought us back for God And I think it's amazing that one man could cause such misery and destruction but that one other man could give a way out of it. But there is a crisp fairness about it.

I didn't look at the links, sorry.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Who told you that you were naked?

I'm not following your train of thought.

 

[bbyrd009]

God's grace is sweet and irresistible. He makes us love it and want nothing else.

for ourselves anyway, yeh?

He is as irresistible to us as a husband to his newly-wed bride.

Exodus 20:19 Lexicon: Then they said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die."

iow i am scared of the Theos you love, wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

I didn't look at the links, sorry.

"No problem"

I'm not following your train of thought.

what "transgression" were you speaking of?

 

[bbyrd009]

However blood WAS spilled when Jesus died.

so you say, but cannot Quote bro