When you observe from the Facts...
1) God Observes mankind.
2) God Finds Grace in mankind.
3) God Favors those who follow Him.
4) God has Angel Messengers.
5) God sends His Messengers to Inform people of a Paticular mission God wants the person to accomplish.
6) The Messenger, reports to the person, that God has recognized them, of Their following, of His favor, and BY His Grace has Blessings, to Bestow Upon them, should they Agree to accomplish His Task.
7) Also, that the Lord WILL be with Them, to Accomplish the Task.
Others, BEFORE Mary, were Approached; Notified of God having Observed them, Notified of a Task God desires accomplished,
Notified the Lord would be With them.
Notified they would Be Blessed By and through the Lords Grace upon them.
You Attempt to DEFINE "the MOMENT" that the Lord Bestowed His Favor and Grace and Blessing UPON Mary.
You perpetuate that Gods Favor and Grace was UPON Mary, at her NATURAL Birth.
You Further perpetuate that Gods Favor and Grace MEANS, Giving the person the Gift of Salvation resulting IN "that person having been Given SINLESSNESS while ALIVE in their Natural BODY".
Nothing IN Scripture reveals, THAT Natural Born humans, ARE Naturally Born...
With a Saved soul,
With a Quickened spirit,
Or Without sin.
Scripture Reveals:
ALL humans are naturally BORN "IN" SiN.
ALL humans require A DEATH, BEFORE a posibility of "SINLESSNESS" of their BODY can be realized.
Scripture has BEEN Revealing from the Beginning of mankind....
1) HOW mankind can BECOME in Gods Favor
2) HOW mankind can BECOME in Gods Grace
3) HOW mankind can BECOME Blessed.
4) HOW mankind can Accomplish things (according to His desires) FOR the Lord God.
Scripture has BEEN Revealing FOR 2,000+ years...
1) That men CAN be Forgiven for disbelief.
2) That men CAN (satisfy Gods Requirement of a mans Bodily Death) and GIVE their Body's unto DEATH, (while remaining alive in their Body).
3) That men CAN receive Gods Gift of a Restored (saved) soul.
4) That men CAN receive Gods Gift of a Quickened spirit (IN their Heart), WiTH His SEED.
Scripture reveals...
1) THAT ^ teaching was TAUGHT BY Jesus.
2) And Forward taught to men BY Jesus' chosen Disciples.
3) THAT....
WHILE the TEACHING IS TRUE...
THE "EFFECTS" and "COMING to PASS"...
OF the PROMISE...--->
Would NOT OCCUR...---->
UNTIL JESUS LEFT the Earth.
And THE "EFFECTS" and "COMING TO PASS"..."OF" "FRUITION"...--->
Would NOT OCCUR...
UNTIL JESUS once Again "LEFT HEAVEN".
Greek interpretation of Scripture revealed Godly men Recognized God having Chosen Mary for a VERY SPECIAL Task...(Just as men Recognized Others (ie Moses, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Disciples, Paul, and others )
OF Mary's Gift of Gods Favor Upon Mary, of Gods Grace Upon Mary, of Gods Blessings Upon, of God being WITH her...
But STILL...NO man Received the "INDWELLING" Spirit UNTIL Jesus "LEFT" the Earth.
And...NO earthly person's BODY has been "RAISED" UP in Glory...WHICH "WILL BE" the DAY WHEN...Coming to pass...
THAT...the individual earthly man's BODY IS come to pass and ACCOMPLISHED...sinless.
You teaching That was accomplished in Mary, at her Natural Birth, IS NOT TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE.
You CAN BELIEVE IT...but it doesn't MAKE it TRUE.
It is Clear, by your own Admission...You were Taught Catholicism, By Catholics, from a VERY Young Age...and Your teaching IS Catholic Doctrine....that You Claim, your Church Leaders HAVE the Authority to Dictate.
Sure THEY DO...it is "THEIR" established Church. Just like every other Church "MEN" establish, they too Dictate their own Standards of Beliefs.
The KEY ito Establishing Churches, IS THAT THEY stay within the Confines and Limits of Jesus' Doctrine.
Not ONCE DID Jesus Teach, or Jesus' Chosen Jewish Disciples Teach...
Mary or Any other Human, IS Sinless.
Glory to God,
Taken