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Agree.
After the era of Jews establishing Early Churches and those Leaders dying off...
And Jews returning to their Ways Under the Mosaic Laws...
Gentile's stepped in, appointed Leaders of the Church, built more Churches, declared their Churches Universal (ie. the term Catholic), and began setting man-made "Conditions"...
(For people to Adhere To and join as members) BEYOND...
The Scope and Limits...of Jesus' Teachings.
And WHY; They Cannot point to Scripture to Verify certain things They Claim.
Glory to God,
Taken
Per usual I disagree with you.."standing Firm and holding fast"...
THAT Applies To:
A Beginner In Faith...
And;
Applies To:
A Jew who Chooses To REMAIN Under Mosaic Law of "THEIR" fathers.
You learn UP to A Point...Then Remain There IN confusion with your Catholic Traditions of men.
Oral Teaching...or men Reading a Letter...
To men, By men...
Is Gods Design FOR a Beginner.
And There IS an Expiration:
FOR those MATURED IN Faith.
Rom 7
[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
2 Cor 3
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The MATURED In Faith ARE MATURED...
When it is No Longer "A man" orally teaching, or Reading Letters....TO a man..
Because
2 Cor 3
[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Glory To God,
Taken
no body denies the virgin mary was saved .........but her sanctification was" NOT " complete. that is a fable of the catholic Church. she was/is a human being chosen by God to bring in the Christ seed
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
your error is mary having part in our salvation going to her to get to Christ mary is not the advocate or our intercession or the Holy spirit . she does NOT have a throne beside God or Christ . while i am sure God did bless her but the hail mary Kecharitomene is NOT BIBLE. YOU OR WHOEVER YOUR SOURCE IS . took and twisted words into a false doctrine . you can come back with insults and what ever else your famous for .. fact remains you are wrong . it has been proven several times by many your wrong.. i have even researched your fable purgatory .. which was first started by a Drunk ,, the reason why posters call your fake theology straw man is because when it is judged by the fire it will burn poof turn to ashes . you are a follower of MEN BLINDED BY THE god OF THIS WORLD . water baptism does not save us the Blood of Jesus saves the doctrine of justification =Grace . there is no double payment --once was enough
Hebrews 7:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Romans 8:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered....
if you deny this and cling to your straw man theology ..there is a good chance your still lost
SHE HAS/HAD no other role other than being the mother of Jesus quit worshiping her { It is explicitly taught by Scripture that Mary gave birth to the New Covenant, Jesus. Therefore, Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant – the fulfillment of the Ark of the Covenant. Here is a Scriptural comparison of the Type and Fulfillment between the Old Ark and the New Ark:}
gessh i have never read so much garbage in these scriptures i will PROVE YOUR ERROR
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. YOU BEEN EXPOSED by the Light of the word straw man stay away from the fire
When you observe from the Facts...
1) God Observes mankind.
2) God Finds Grace in mankind.
3) God Favors those who follow Him.
4) God has Angel Messengers.
5) God sends His Messengers to Inform people of a Paticular mission God wants the person to accomplish.
6) The Messenger, reports to the person, that God has recognized them, of Their following, of His favor, and BY His Grace has Blessings, to Bestow Upon them, should they Agree to accomplish His Task.
7) Also, that the Lord WILL be with Them, to Accomplish the Task.
Others, BEFORE Mary, were Approached; Notified of God having Observed them, Notified of a Task God desires accomplished,
Notified the Lord would be With them.
Notified they would Be Blessed By and through the Lords Grace upon them.
You Attempt to DEFINE "the MOMENT" that the Lord Bestowed His Favor and Grace and Blessing UPON Mary.
You perpetuate that Gods Favor and Grace was UPON Mary, at her NATURAL Birth.
You Further perpetuate that Gods Favor and Grace MEANS, Giving the person the Gift of Salvation resulting IN "that person having been Given SINLESSNESS while ALIVE in their Natural BODY".
Nothing IN Scripture reveals, THAT Natural Born humans, ARE Naturally Born...
With a Saved soul,
With a Quickened spirit,
Or Without sin.
Scripture Reveals:
ALL humans are naturally BORN "IN" SiN.
ALL humans require A DEATH, BEFORE a posibility of "SINLESSNESS" of their BODY can be realized.
Scripture has BEEN Revealing from the Beginning of mankind....
1) HOW mankind can BECOME in Gods Favor
2) HOW mankind can BECOME in Gods Grace
3) HOW mankind can BECOME Blessed.
4) HOW mankind can Accomplish things (according to His desires) FOR the Lord God.
Scripture has BEEN Revealing FOR 2,000+ years...
1) That men CAN be Forgiven for disbelief.
2) That men CAN (satisfy Gods Requirement of a mans Bodily Death) and GIVE their Body's unto DEATH, (while remaining alive in their Body).
3) That men CAN receive Gods Gift of a Restored (saved) soul.
4) That men CAN receive Gods Gift of a Quickened spirit (IN their Heart), WiTH His SEED.
Scripture reveals...
1) THAT ^ teaching was TAUGHT BY Jesus.
2) And Forward taught to men BY Jesus' chosen Disciples.
3) THAT....
WHILE the TEACHING IS TRUE...
THE "EFFECTS" and "COMING to PASS"...
OF the PROMISE...--->
Would NOT OCCUR...---->
UNTIL JESUS LEFT the Earth.
And THE "EFFECTS" and "COMING TO PASS"..."OF" "FRUITION"...--->
Would NOT OCCUR...
UNTIL JESUS once Again "LEFT HEAVEN".
Greek interpretation of Scripture revealed Godly men Recognized God having Chosen Mary for a VERY SPECIAL Task...(Just as men Recognized Others (ie Moses, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Disciples, Paul, and others )
OF Mary's Gift of Gods Favor Upon Mary, of Gods Grace Upon Mary, of Gods Blessings Upon, of God being WITH her...
But STILL...NO man Received the "INDWELLING" Spirit UNTIL Jesus "LEFT" the Earth.
And...NO earthly person's BODY has been "RAISED" UP in Glory...WHICH "WILL BE" the DAY WHEN...Coming to pass...
THAT...the individual earthly man's BODY IS come to pass and ACCOMPLISHED...sinless.
You teaching That was accomplished in Mary, at her Natural Birth, IS NOT TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE.
You CAN BELIEVE IT...but it doesn't MAKE it TRUE.
It is Clear, by your own Admission...You were Taught Catholicism, By Catholics, from a VERY Young Age...and Your teaching IS Catholic Doctrine....that You Claim, your Church Leaders HAVE the Authority to Dictate.
Sure THEY DO...it is "THEIR" established Church. Just like every other Church "MEN" establish, they too Dictate their own Standards of Beliefs.
The KEY ito Establishing Churches, IS THAT THEY stay within the Confines and Limits of Jesus' Doctrine.
Not ONCE DID Jesus Teach, or Jesus' Chosen Jewish Disciples Teach...
Mary or Any other Human, IS Sinless.
Glory to God,
Taken
more of HIS FALSE DOCTRINE. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
every thing with catholic teaching is a work based salvation something you have to do if you could have found where mary was buried you would have found her body . the tomb where jesus was laid is empty in the words of Christ i give these same words to BOL let no man deceive you . could it just maybe be we are showing you the correct doctrine .that Catholicism is wrong see its not the name over the door that matters its the name in the heart that does . your name tag will either fall off going up or burn off going down
Taken said:
"Greek interpretation of Scripture revealed Godly men Recognized God having Chosen Mary for a VERY SPECIAL Task...(Just as men Recognized Others (ie Moses, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Disciples, Paul, and others )
OF Mary's Gift of Gods Favor Upon Mary, of Gods Grace Upon Mary, of Gods Blessings Upon, of God being WITH her..."
I SAY (because I am just passing time and find you very entertaining, like a paper plate court jester ): What is your recognition of the mother of Christ? With clear concise words, what are you saying about the mother of Christ? I am not in alignment with BOL, but really what is your doctrine and personal conviction?
Taken said: "
The KEY ito Establishing Churches, IS THAT THEY stay within the Confines and Limits of Jesus' Doctrine.
Not ONCE DID Jesus Teach, or Jesus' Chosen Jewish Disciples Teach...
Mary or Any other Human, IS Sinless."
I say:
So.... it is clear that BEFORE Christ came you do not believe any human was sinless? What I notice , which is evident with any coward , you only challenge and come up against what you know you can fight . However, you have not DARED to challenge me. I could see how you would avoid all my post and questions , because you will loose. I am not saying any in here would accept what I say, but clearly, no one could win in a war of words with me. I mean after all one would be fighting against the Word of God and who could win against His word?
What I have learned in here is, people really do not even believe in God. They are NOT REALLY in the pursuit of TRUTH! Actually what is so, is that all spirits know there is gain , in whatever way, to use Christ's name. That means, even if it is to gain simpletons at the expense of truth and their souls.
People are going to get EXACTLY what they have asked for. For sure it will be business as usual for the heathen until it no longer is. And the TRUE faithful are patient as their Lord is , until the number of Elect be accomplished.
And Mother Miryam does magnify the Lord
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Correct ^^
Established as your MO, to: Not reveal ONE Scripture that is in Disagreement with what I said...BUT RATHER choose to make some irrelevant snarky remark.
I NEVER claimed Christ has a mother.
Mary was chosen to REVEAL JESUS, Son of God, and care for Him through His youth.
I have already revealed my Doctrine and Personal Conviction on this forum.
You said you KNEW me, so why ask me?
Correct.
"Correct".
Again, your snarky accusation MO shines as your light.
You were challenged, early on during the first times of conversing with you.
Twice you were asked to QUOTE my specific words that SET YOU OFF on a snarky accusatory mission against me.
Twice you FAILED to identify what I said that got you so bent out of shape.
But I have not avoided all your posts and questions, so that would be your lie.
NEWSFLASH you are not the Word of God, nor does your words reflect the Word of God.
Big of you to share your infantile opinion.
IF you Understood the Word of God; IT IS a Persons DENIAL of God, that reveals they do not Believe IN GOD....(not your infantile opinion).
NO ONE on the Christian Threads are DENYING God.
Again your opinion Fails.
Including you, and your implying you are set higher than others.
Glory to God, <--- IS My closing STILL OFFENSIVE TO YOU? Pfft... too bad!
Taken
Who is this king? DID YOU KNOW GOD REVEALS HIS PLANS TO HIS OWN ? I already know who the "King" is and he is already on earth, just not revealed yet to the bumpkins in HATE of TRUTH! What will be the sign of his revealing and arrival? he has FINALLY arrived= come into his own, at the pinnacle of Power.
Revelation 12:
The Woman Persecuted
12Therefore rejoice, O heavens- (kingdom of heaven), and you who dwell in them- (The many levels revealed by Enoch)! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.” 13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.…
WHY DOES the serpent pursue the WOMAN in the IMAGE OF THE VIRGIN MARY- concerning purity and function?:
3Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth.(WILL YOU SURVIVE?) And the dragon stood before the woman as she was about to give birth, ready to devour her child as soon as He was born. 5And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.a And her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days.
Christ calls His mother WOMAN and HIS BRIDE WOMAN. Hence , THE BRIDE OF CHRIST= IN THE IMAGE OF THE WOMAN.
Daniel 11:36
Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed,(WHO IS THE WRATH FOR?) for what has been decreed must be accomplished.
2Thessalonians 2:9
The Man of Lawlessness
…8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.…
Oh and I am not saying he is Putin. But Putin will fulfill his part in God's prophecy as is trump and as all the haters who HATE TRUTH. Oh and who is the wicked deception directed against? "10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.…
Revelation 3:10
10Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.…
This is from the letter to the Church of Philadelphia INTERESTING Philadelphia means brotherly love. HMMM?
John 13:33-35
Love One Another
…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…
HOW DID CHRIST LOVE MIRYAM (MARY)? AS HIS MOTHER. People in here must HATE their own mothers! Then one can see how people can be SOOOO disrespectful to His. That could explain their vile comments! Clearly , commonsense and LOVE is not in the building! and clearly since you are not in Christ you probably don't even know what it is to love as He loves, AGAPE!
1Corinthians 13:
Love
…12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.
THIS IS ONLY COMPLICATED FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD! CLEARLY!
Revelation 12:
The Woman Persecuted
12Therefore rejoice, O heavens- (kingdom of heaven), and you who dwell in them- (The many levels revealed by Enoch)! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.” 13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.…
WHY DOES the serpent pursue the WOMAN in the IMAGE OF THE VIRGIN MARY- concerning purity and function?:
3Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth.(WILL YOU SURVIVE?) And the dragon stood before the woman as she was about to give birth, ready to devour her child as soon as He was born. 5And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.a And her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days.
Christ calls His mother WOMAN and HIS BRIDE WOMAN. Hence , THE BRIDE OF CHRIST= IN THE IMAGE OF THE WOMAN.
Daniel 11:36
Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed,(WHO IS THE WRATH FOR?) for what has been decreed must be accomplished.
2Thessalonians 2:9
The Man of Lawlessness
…8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.…
Oh and I am not saying he is Putin. But Putin will fulfill his part in God's prophecy as is trump and as all the haters who HATE TRUTH. Oh and who is the wicked deception directed against? "10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.…
Revelation 3:10
10Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.…
This is from the letter to the Church of Philadelphia INTERESTING Philadelphia means brotherly love. HMMM?
John 13:33-35
Love One Another
…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…
HOW DID CHRIST LOVE MIRYAM (MARY)? AS HIS MOTHER. People in here must HATE their own mothers! Then one can see how people can be SOOOO disrespectful to His. That could explain their vile comments! Clearly , commonsense and LOVE is not in the building! and clearly since you are not in Christ you probably don't even know what it is to love as He loves, AGAPE!
1Corinthians 13:
Love
…12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.
THIS IS ONLY COMPLICATED FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD! CLEARLY!
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WRONG. I’ve provided scholarly evidence about FIVE times now.
Your rejection of this evidence is YOUR problem – not mine.
Without basis?? That’s a lie.
I say “LIE” because you’ve already been shown this basis several times now.
That is absolutely false. I went step-by-step in showing that Mary was sinless.
Let’s review – and PLEASE show me where I’m wrong . . .
"It is permissible, on Greek grammatical and linguistic grounds, to paraphrase kecharitomene as completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace." (Blass and DeBrunner, Greek Grammar of the New Testament)
There is no question of a "secondary" reality, one that would have touched her only ulteriorly. Rather, it pertains to the very identity of Mary. Moreover, the appellation κεχαριτωμένη, in all of Scripture, is reserved to Mary, as if it were her special mark. In fact, some have tried to see in the parallel with Gideon, a demonstration that the κεχαριτωμένη would refer only to a grace that is to come, one to follow immediately. For Gideon is called "valiant warrior" at a time when he is not yet such; therefore κεχαριτωμένη would signify a grace that is not present before the angel's greeting. However, as contrasted with what concerns Gideon, the angel does not apply to Mary a noun bracketed with an adjective, but a perfect participle, a verbal form that refers to a past that is prolonged in the present. Therefore, it is before the angel's greeting, before the Incarnation, that Mary is κεχαριτωμένη. (Kecharitomene (Lk. 1:28) in the Light of Gen. 18:16-33: A Matter of Quantity François Rossier University of Dayton)
Kecharitōmĕnē is the perfect passive participle of charitŏō. It denotes one who has been and still is the object of divine benevolence, one who has been favored and continues to be favored by God, one who has been granted supernatural grace and remains in this state.[1] Verbs ending in ŏō, such as haimatŏō (turn into blood), thaumatŏō (fill with wonder), spodŏōmai (burn to ashes) frequently express the full intensity of the action. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action. (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar [Harvard University Press, 1968], p. 108-109, sec 1852:b.)
To be endowed with grace is ONE thing. You might say that your glass is being filled throughout your lifetime.
Mary is said to be full of grace – perfectly and completely. Therefore, her glass is FULL.
Since the Bible teaches that Mary’s glass is FULL – the endowment of grace has been completed.
1. The Scriptures teach that we are saved by God’s grace.
2. Therefore, to be “full of grace”, is to be saved.
3. Since she is “full of grace”, Mary is saved (Luke 1:28).
4. The Bible teaches that we need God’s grace to be holy and live a life free from sin.
5. Hence, to be “full of grace” is to be so holy that one is sinless.
6. So, Mary is holy and sinless.
YOUR turn . . .[/QUOTE]
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Jesus DID live a perfect life - and He IS human AND God.
You have been shown DOZENS of verses that sink your heretical Docetist argument - but you persist in your heresy.
That's on YOU . . .
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WRONG.
A person who simply goes to church and doesn't surrender to Christ is a pew-filler and nothing more.
Your response speaks VOLUMES about your bizarre beliefs, though . . .
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Not sure what you mean - but there is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15 . . .Do you have scriptures? YES , how else would there be ANY assemblies? As for obedience to them
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And I provided scholarly evidence that rejects your position. There is more that rejects your position than affirms it. And none of your sources were well-known reputable sources.
You have shown me what they claim but now actual scriptural linguistic or historical basis.
Taken said: "and your implying you are set higher than others".
I am not implying anything , I AM STRAIGHT UP SAYING IT! I HAVE BEEN EXULTED IN THE LORD, because I took hold of MERCY and am in His grace. As if I care if you have a problem with that. And yes I am going to GET EXACTLY what I HAVE labored for, A CROWN! I do not claim to have already laid hold of it but it is called (ar·chi·tec·ton·ic)- the plan laid out before it is accomplished? Probably cannot grasp that. You know like an artist creates from a thought that does not manifest until it is put in form....music, a picture, a building etc. The plans are already drawn up in the God mind! I am in pursuit of that plan and its end game for me! I strive for that which Christ has already laid hold of me for . And God's will is that I will run my race and win! I will not act as though I do not have Wisdom (HEAVENLY), I do and Christ is MY BOAST!
Jeremiah9:24
…23This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom (earthly devilish wisdom), nor the strong man in his strength, nor the wealthy man in his riches. 24But let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD, who exercises loving devotion, justice and righteousness on the earth— for I delight in these things,” declares the LORD. 25“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will punish all who are circumcised yet uncircumcised:…
Even so it is at the door!
The last part of being born again in Christ as Christian is RENEWAL of the mind -Luke 24:4545Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.
Romans 12:2
Living Sacrifices
1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.…
It is because I know God is my Lord and I am of sober mind that I am NOT above His decrees as many here think of themselves! I am sober, FULLY aware of what HE has done for me and ALL THE ELECT! I would never dare bring accusation against His heavenly dignities!
Is Christ Mother in heaven ? YOU FOOL! Of course, keep speaking smack about her and trust me before your last breath you will hear these words you are reading now. NO EXCUSE. " I have given them time to repent of their evil ways but they do not repent of their evil deeds".
2 Peter 2:10
Deliverance from False Prophets
9if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 Such punishment is specially reserved for those who indulge the corrupt desires of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and self-willed, these men are unafraid to slander angelic majesties. 11Yet not even angels, though greater in strength and power, dare to bring such slanderous charges against them before the Lord.…
PLEEEEASE.....go take a walk.... Oh wait" Taken" , you are already GONE!
I know what full restoration is, and you and the like are against it! It means the diminishing of worldly thrones . Full restoration is the bringing forth of the Male Child and all His authority over serpents! RENEWAL OF THE MIND!
Now you make up things. Never questioned Thessalonians only you and worldly men!
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