Homosexual Church Dream

[VictoryinJesus]

the Bible says marriage is honorable in all. and the bed is undefiled ..but adulterers and whoremongers God will judge, there is no reference to sodomy between man and wife . that is Bible

God’s marriage bed is undefiled and honorable in all. Always heard ’the marriage bed is undefiled’ means anything goes in the bedroom between and man and his wife. ...yes, sodomy too?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sodomy in marriage is still a sin, sorry and disgusting, I’ll leave it at that so as not to get vulgar.

I agree, and have to really wonder about husbands who want that sort of thing. I would think to become one you have to be looking your spouse in the eye. But I am curious as to what he thinks.

 

[CharismaticLady]

God’s marriage bed is undefiled and honorable in all. Always heard ’the marriage bed is undefiled’ means anything goes in the bedroom between and man and his wife. ...yes, sodomy too?

I just looked it up because I've heard that too. It seems to mean no sexual sins should be brought in to defile the marriage bed. Like a third party, and disgusting acts such as in homosexual relationships: For me that would also include sodomy and lesbian acts.

 

[DNB]

Having a hard time understanding “at war” do you have some scripture reference for this?

Complete military nomenclature;
Ephesians 6:11-17
6:11. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15. and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

Complete military nomenclature;
Ephesians 6:11-17
6:11. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15. and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

What does not against flesh and blood mean?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I just looked it up because I've heard that too. It seems to mean no sexual sins should be brought in to defile the marriage bed. Like a third party, and disgusting acts such as in homosexual relationships: For me that would also include sodomy and lesbian acts.

was meaning God’s marriage bed where the New creation and consummation takes place—Christ and His church joined together as one—is undefiled. Don’t believe it is saying or justifying anything goes in a bedroom between a man and his wife ...

 

[DNB]

I wasn't inferring that you or anybody was casting stones, so sorry if you thought I was. I was just trying to look at it in the way I think Jesus would.

I read about that child and am appalled that his parents seemed to be promoting this unnatural desire to be a girl. And as you say children are being confused at an early age and in later life I feel sure he might have regrets. And I am appalled that schools must now teach our primary school children that same sex relationships are normal. I don't believe they are. I started a thread called Deliverance which described how group of people celebrated their deliverance from homosexuality.

I do think it is sinful but then so is lying, or hating or pride. All deserving of death. We had a chance to repent and took it and like the woman caught in adultery these sinners who practice unnatural acts also deserve the chance of forgiveness. And in order to get them to that point it isn't any good pointing the finger, rather we need to be opening our arms and showing them God's love as we hopefully would do with any other sinner.

Hi Pearl, I believe that JohnPaul's seemingly hard stance stems from the fact that rarely, in the course of modern history, has ever such an overtly deviant and Biblically denounced sin, become either, in a complacent or militant manner, accepted as normal, or embraced as an act of love. It's all over the media as acceptable, on the TV shows, in the videos, in the advertisements, in the schools. And thus, is posing a greater threat than other sins that, at least currently, are still kept underground and hidden.

I, equally, find it utterly disgusting to watch people, whom I may have had some admiration for, embrace and support this defiant, deviant, perverted and shameful act...

...you know, to me, this is part of the mystery and wisdom of God. For, it's times like these that separate the boys from the men. Had it not been for this epidemic of inclusion, we may not have seen who the real fools are, as in, not necessarily those who practice it, but those who do not denounce it, ...who prior to this, may have appeared as having somewhat sound judgement?

 

[brakelite]

But wasn't Jesus the fulfilling of the law? Like eating pork and observing the Sabbath,, wasn't that the Mosaic law and for the Jews only?

 

[DNB]

What does not against flesh and blood mean?

That everything physical or material is 'good' in and of itself, for God made it so '...and God saw that it was good...'. It is the potentially deviant desires of the spirit that corrupts it, and perverts one's actions. The flesh can do nothing without the motivation and consent of the spirit. It is only the spirit that directs the bodies ways, for either works of righteousness, or works of iniquity. The war is of a spiritual nature, nothing that a physical training can have any impact on.

 

[Helen]

Sodomy in marriage is still a sin, sorry and disgusting, I’ll leave it at that so as not to get vulgar.

I agree with the other poster who addressed this comment.
"Sodomy " is used for "same sex" so there can be no Sodomy in a hetro marriage. We know what you are saying...but the terminology is wrong.

 

[Waiting on him]

That everything physical or material is 'good' in and of itself, for God made it so '...and God saw that it was good...'. It is the potentially deviant desires of the spirit that corrupts it, and perverts one's actions. The flesh can do nothing without the motivation and consent of the spirit. It is only the spirit that directs the bodies ways, for either works of righteousness, or works of iniquity. The war is of a spiritual nature, nothing that a physical training can have any impact on.

So how do you address the queers personally?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I just looked it up because I've heard that too. It seems to mean no sexual sins should be brought in to defile the marriage bed. Like a third party, and disgusting acts such as in homosexual relationships: For me that would also include sodomy and lesbian acts.

was looking it up too. using the marriage bed is undefiled as justification for anything goes (imo) is way off. If sodomy is part of the anything goes. Then BDSM Bondage / Discipline / Dominance / Submission / Sadism / Masochism,... when between a husband and a wife is also part of the anything goes and is “undefiled”. If the marriage bed which is undefiled is God’s where His consummation takes place and His children are born out from this consummation and union...

consider the “bondage/ Discipline/dominance/ Submission” —the world speaks of right now and promotes while the marriage bed He speaks of as undefiled is freedom from bondage and New Life...not slavery into it again and even celebrated “bondage”.

everyone wants to harp on the homosexual when it’s crept in everywhere.

 

[DNB]

I just looked it up because I've heard that too. It seems to mean no sexual sins should be brought in to defile the marriage bed. Like a third party, and disgusting acts such as in homosexual relationships: For me that would also include sodomy and lesbian acts.

That's right, it's speaking in an idealistic manner. Meaning, because the marriage bed is sacred, therefore do not defile it with disgusting, childish and perverted acts, as in ; sodomy, pornography, role playing, toys, kamasutra nonsense, etc.. That is, treat each other with respect and dignity, and don't be selfish. Thus, because it's sacred, as all should be aware, the consequences will be severe when it's regarded with lascivious contempt.

 

[DNB]

So how do you address the queers personally?

Like I said, you address the spirit within them that's causing the perverted behaviour. Taking issue with the anatomy will get you nowhere, for it is not pragmatic rationale that you are dealing with, but evil, pretentious and deviant desires.

 

[Waiting on him]

Like I said, you address the spirit within them that's causing the perverted behaviour. Taking issue with the anatomy will get you nowhere, for it is not pragmatic rationale that you are dealing with, but evil, pretentious and deviant desires.

How do you do that?
And how much success have you had with this approach?

 

[Waiting on him]

That's right, it's speaking in an idealistic manner. Meaning, because the marriage bed is sacred, therefore do not defile it with disgusting, childish and perverted acts, as in ; sodomy, pornography, role playing, toys, kamasutra nonsense, etc.. That is, treat each other with respect and dignity, and don't be selfish. Thus, because it's sacred, as all should be aware, the consequences will be severe when it's regarded with lascivious contempt.

Is kissing ok?

 

[DNB]

How do you do that?
And how much success have you had with this approach?

If their motivation is derived from pretense, then you address the shallowness of their ways. If it is motivated by perversion, then you show them a more gratifying way. If it is from deviance, then you explain that resistance to righteousness is futile, if it is from desiring acceptance, then you point out their godly qualities and tell them to be more particular about who they choose to gain acceptance from.

 

[Waiting on him]

If their motivation is derived from pretense, then you address the shallowness of their ways. If it is motivated by perversion, then you show them a more gratifying way. If it is from deviance, then you explain that resistance to righteousness is futile, if it is from desiring acceptance, then you point out their godly qualities and tell them to be more particular about who they choose to gain acceptance from.

So if they come to meet your standards will God then love them?

 

[Waiting on him]

If their motivation is derived from pretense, then you address the shallowness of their ways. If it is motivated by perversion, then you show them a more gratifying way. If it is from deviance, then you explain that resistance to righteousness is futile, if it is from desiring acceptance, then you point out their godly qualities and tell them to be more particular about who they choose to gain acceptance from.

What other requirements does God place on His love?
In a heterosexual marriage that is, if you don’t mind me asking.... while your in my bedroom?

 

[DNB]

What other requirements does God place on His love?
In a heterosexual marriage that is, if you don’t mind me asking.... while your in my bedroom?

You're really pushing it buddy. Don't think that your one liners are convincing anyone that you're an advocate of love.
You've offered no insight or correction in any of your posts, so you've proven to be nothing more than a hypocritical upstart.
...what does it mean 'while you're in my bedroom'?