Enough is enough!

[Helen]

What is this word 'enough'. Is it not what we have not yet forgiven and still resent.
What is this phrase 'enough is enough'. Is it not an overload of unforgiveness and resentments, so much so that we are about to be buried by it.
What is the result of 'enough is enough'. Is it not to blame others for our unforgiveness, and even kill and destroy those we perceive to be the cause of our 'enoughs'.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS, CANADIANS or British etc...
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good’Citizens of any Western country. Call it what you wish it's still the truth.You had better believe it.The more who understand this, the better it will be for our countries and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said in every country that they will destroy us from within.
SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

 

[JohnPaul]

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS, CANADIANS or British etc...
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good’Citizens of any Western country. Call it what you wish it's still the truth.You had better believe it.The more who understand this, the better it will be for our countries and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said in every country that they will destroy us from within.
SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Great post Helen.

 

[shnarkle]

This is what happens when Muslims are voted into office Their whole reason for being who they are is to kill, steal and destroy. The violence turns my stomach. If everybody does not bow the knee to their god, they should be killed. I believe they have been infiltrating our Countries for many decades if not many, many decades. And, knowing their penchant for be-headings, might they play the part of doing it when those who refuse the "mark" get their heads lopped off?
We so have to pray for all of the missionaries and their families in violent pockets of the world...

P.S. This all smacks of ecumenism...

I've never really seen it as ecumenical as much as it is political, and politics makes for strange bedfellows. The ultra left wants to destroy the US so they have befriended ultra right wing fanatical Muslims into the fold because they both have the same goal; destroy the US. When the US is destroyed, they each think they can then destroy their partner in crime to become king of the dung hill. It doesn't seem like a smart strategy to me, but then I'm not interested in ruling over what will eventually be a gutted backwater.

 

[Giuliano]

SEND A COMPLAINT: School in Essex changes words in Christian hymn to appease Muslims!

A school has changed the words of Christmas carols because they offend muslims. Follow the link.

This sounds like the Christian thing to do to me. Why cause offense unnecessarily? Such hymns would better be sung in churches where no one would be offended.

Luke 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

I Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Ouch!

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good’Citizens of any Western country. Call it what you wish it's still the truth.You had better believe it.The more who understand this, the better it will be for our countries and our future.

I think for this I would personally use the words "conscious of their possible duplicity, but loving towards them nonetheless." To walk always in a state of being suspicious of someone sort of hinders us from accepting them and loving them with fully open arms. I'm aware that my Muslim neighbors might secretly sympathize with Jihad and even be secretly funding it somewhere in the world, but I don't let it change the way I treat them. Since scripture says overcome evil with good, I choose to focus on all the good I see in them and not worry about what I do and do not know for sure anyway : )

 

[Mayflower]

Am I allowrd to sign that as an American? Or are they looking for Britain

 

[Hidden In Him]

I've never really seen it as ecumenical as much as it is political, and politics makes for strange bedfellows. The ultra left wants to destroy the US so they have befriended ultra right wing fanatical Muslims into the fold because they both have the same goal; destroy the US. When the US is destroyed, they each think they can then destroy their partner in crime to become king of the dung hill. It doesn't seem like a smart strategy to me, but then I'm not interested in ruling over what will eventually be a gutted backwater.

It's strange, but those under opposing demonic influences can actually band together for a time when it's for a common cause. But the minute that common cause is gone, they quickly turn into enemies. Satan's kingdom is a mess, LoL.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This sounds like the Christian thing to do to me. Why cause offense unnecessarily? Such hymns would better be sung in churches where no one would be offended.

Luke 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

I Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

Hmmm... that's an interesting argument... I think the only trouble is that in this context we are discussing a nationally recognized Christian holiday. Again, I would refer back to what might happen if Christians started demanding that the Muslims do things differently when Ramadan came along. It just seems like an infringement upon what were understood to be the customary rights of a particular religious group in that region, making the problem more of a political one than a religious one. You have a minority group seeking to usurp the culture they have immigrated into, yet are not in any way the majority of yet.

You can rest assured if they are infringing upon the culture when they are not in the majority yet, they will do so and with pressure (even threatening violence) when they finally are.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

if the muslim gets offended by this song so are the christians when they preach the quran so if we christians and muslims don't respect each other there will be no peace

if christians claims the bible alone is correct and the muslims do the same

we are right and you are wrong .. if this is how we cry to each other

but how can you really respect what you know is wrong ... and that's why they are annoyed and corrected the christmas song according to what they believe in since the thing that they believe is that jesus is just a prophet and not the son of God

and so we are against what Muslims has done because we know we are right and they are in the wrong that's why we are angry at what they did and changes the lyrics

For now we have to put aside the bible and the quran first and talk without the word of the bible and the quran ... because if the word goes out to the two groups it will only lead to argument

I think the best solution here is to send all christians that are on muslims countries and then receive them in all christian countries basically there should be a separation of the two because if there is no respect then the only thing will hapen is pure slaughter

but nowadays who's president would do that? simply no one

 

[Giuliano]

Hmmm... that's an interesting argument... I think the only trouble is that in this context we are discussing a nationally recognized Christian holiday.

Most Muslims celebrate it too.

Again, I would refer back to what might happen if Christians started demanding that the Muslims do things differently when Ramadan came along. It just seems like an infringement upon what were understood to be the customary rights of a particular religious group in that region, making the problem more of a political one than a religious one. You have a minority group seeking to usurp the culture they have immigrated into, yet are not in any way the majority of yet.

From what I could see, that happened in a school in the UK. Most schools are funded publicly there. I don't see publicly funded schools as being the places where any religious group should be doing things to annoy other groups.

You can rest assured if they are infringing upon the culture when they are not in the majority yet, they will do so and with pressure (even threatening violence) when they finally are.

We can be sure too that the more intolerant and pushy Christians are, the more Muslims will feel justified in being the same if they ever become a majority. There will be radical groups too in other countries that use intolerant Christians for propaganda purposes, saying Christians need to be wiped out as an intolerant religion.

The UK is relatively tolerant; and we see Muslims there enjoying their freedom, often abandoning some of hardline cultural things in the places they came from. They do things Muslims in other countries wouldn't dream of doing. The real threat to Islam is the freedom they experience in the West. Goodness, they even have female imams now. Can you imagine have female imams in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Of course not. Many Muslims. see some of the traditional cultural values where they came from as outdated. What's wrong with keeping a dog as a pet?

This September, there was a "LGBT Muslim festival" in London. Story here: 'LGBT Muslims told to choose religion or sexuality'

 

[Ezra]

2 things come to MIND spiritual wickedness be not conformed to the world . paul wrote
Ephesians 6
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. any more i am not shocked by anything of this nature ..i am saddened that society has become so open minded . reminds me of the frog in boiling water you put the frog in the water gradually turn it up till it starts boiling up till this point it got use to the gradual warming of the water . we have allowed the devil to take up residence . i dont see much defense with the whole armor of God 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to "stand against" the wiles of the devil. what are we standing for ? i seen where guy got 15 years fed hate crime stole a rainbow flag from a church .went to a strip club raising hell ..i think he also burnt it. i do find it silly to have done that but 15 years ? honestly i dont see a lot of standing up and being steadfast . its almost like Christians are giving up. the pastor is so busy truing to build up his congregation . he hardly gets a chance to preach on the things of this world being enmity . we are allowing the world to dictate the standards . we cowering down at the bark of the aclu that includes our courts .

 

[Ezra]

It's strange, but those under opposing demonic influences can actually band together for a time when it's for a common cause. But the minute that common cause is gone, they quickly turn into enemies. Satan's kingdom is a mess, LoL.

no christians are in a mess

 

[Invisibilis]

Now can you write you post again in plain English so I and others can understand what you are trying to say within all the poetic prose .

Your next response indicates that you understood what I wrote, by writing your reasons to no longer forgive, because 'enough is enough'.

I read your other responses, and can hear your point of view. You are willing to forgive to a point where enough is enough. But it is at this point, of enough, where you feel a need to protect your way of life.

The big question is, what way of life needs protection; it certainly is not Christ's way, the truth, and the life, for it is untouchable.

 

[aspen]

I am not surprised or bothered. No need to worry about what the world is doing - our personal and corporal relationship with Christ and His Body of believers is what is important.

Why? Did you expect anything more from the world?

 

[Butterfly]

I just read the back ground to the story, and why it was changed - apparantly last year 60 of the young children did not attend the nativity / carol service , so this year the head teacher decided to try and make the service more acceptable , so as to encourage more children to attend.
Now personally I think she should have just left it and accepted that some children would not attend.
There is no evidence that Muslims, or anyone else , complained about the service last year, they simply chose not to allow their children to attend.
So this is not the local authorities changing this, it is not a demand from the parents, this is just down to one person deciding to do something to raise the numbers of attendees. The school is defending its decision, but as its made the press, and many have complained, it will be interesting to see whether that changes. Personally what I would do if it didn't change, I would withdraw my child the following year as a protest. The school has 500 children and only 60 of them didn't attend last year, so if a high percentage of those that did attend were to withdraw, it would have a big impact.
Wonder what she does about the Easter service !?
I cannot sign the partition Pearl, purely on the basis that it presumes that this has happened because other groups have complained and taken offence, when clearly that is not the case - if the petition was worded differently I would have signed it.
It doesn't mean I will not complain, but I would rather address the issue in context of what actually motivated the change, also the petition addresses on the Head Teacher, within the story there is the attitude of the local church diocese that should be equally addressed - for a church leader to agree with the changes, well don't you think that is also a concern worth responding too ...... Perhaps I will write two letters xx
Rita

 

[Pearl]

In the UK we have had a mixed population for decades; Italian, Polish, Jamaican and Chinese to name but a few. And they had all assimilated and become part of our communities. But people who follow Islam have had a different ideology and instead of blending in are doing their utmost to keep aloof.

My husband and I were speaking to a Muslim guy during the summer about the differences in our faiths and when we'd done I held out my hand to him but he wouldn't shake it and said he couldn't touch me because I was a woman.

I say if they don't want to blend in then they should stay away but no, they come here for a better life then bite the hands that make that possible for them. And we have to be so careful of not causing 'offence' by celebrating our festivals in the traditional way but can no longer have Christmas festivals on our streets they have to now be called 'Winter' festivals and yet our town allowed an Eide festival!

And now this school - and I dare say there will be others - is changing the words of our lovely old carols to suit the Muslim pupils. It is giving totally the wrong message; it is saying that our God, our Jesus is inferior to their prophet but we know that the name of Jesus is above all names - even that of Mohamed.

 

[Pearl]

I cannot sign the partition Pearl,

That's fine Rita, I just wanted to share the article not push the petition.

 

[Pearl]

Am I allowrd to sign that as an American? Or are they looking for Britain

I don't know Mayflower, give it a try.

 

[Steve Owen]

I'm surprised a school is even doing Chrstmas Carols, I would prefer they didn't at all instead of changing the words.

There is no separation of Church and State in Britain (in theory, at least!). The Queen is Head of State and also head of the Church of England. Therefore carols and 'nativities' have always been part of the activities of primary schools, and Gideons are permitted to take school assemblies and offer the children Testaments.

To address the wider point on this thread, it has been my experience that it is usually militant secularists who try to prevent any expression of Christianity in public, and they often use other religions as an excuse to do this. Whether that is the case here, I don't know.

 

[Pearl]

This sounds like the Christian thing to do to me. Why cause offense unnecessarily? Such hymns would better be sung in churches where no one would be offended.

Luke 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

I Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

Matthew 10:33
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.