There Is No Purgatory. It Is Not In God's Character To Give 2nd Chances After We Leave Our Flesh

[jshiii]

Forgive me if I step on some toes. It's saturday night and I feel like sharing some truths. God decided to withdraw his hand from holding Lucifer (before he sinned). See...Lucifer was only PERFECT because of God and God holding him in perfection. God is perfect, Just and Holy! Lucifer was perfect in every way. Then God gave him free reign over his conscious. Free to choose and do as he would like. Lucifer became prideful. Lucifer said, "Let us become LIKE God." Notice, Lucifer knew no one could ever become better than God. So he settled, "Let us become Like God." This was unforgivable. No chances of ever returning to God's perfect Love and Grace. We know the rest of the story. God already knew what was gonna happen and was gonna use this situation with Lucifer to show the depths of his LOVE. There are no second chances with God, spiritually apart from our flesh. Humans are fortunate to have multiple chances to choose God. His Grace is Amazing. When it comes to purgatory, I sadfully say, this does not conform with God's Love, it is not justified by God's character. One chance only to choose. Those you pray for, that you say are in purgatory, that have left this world have either accepted Christ (God) as their Savior or haven't. No second chances after your spirit leaves your physical body. If they haven't chosen Jesus Christ as their Savior, they are forever lost to their Guilt and apart from God's LOVE FOREVER. So please don't preach purgatory, it just leads more unbelieving humans to a false hope!

#ThereAreNoSecondChancesNoPurgatory
#ChooseJesusNowWhileYouStillCan
#GetToKnowJesusHisFathersHouseHasManyMansions
#IfGodGaveSecondChancesHeWouldForegiveLucifer

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Forgive me if I step on some toes. It's saturday night and I feel like sharing some truths. God decided to withdraw his hand from holding Lucifer (before he sinned). See...Lucifer was only PERFECT because of God and God holding him in perfection. God is perfect, Just and Holy! Lucifer was perfect in every way. Then God gave him free reign over his conscious. Free to choose and do as he would like. Lucifer became prideful. Lucifer said, "Let us become LIKE God." Notice, Lucifer knew no one could ever become better than God. So he settled, "Let us become Like God." This was unforgivable. No chances of ever returning to God's perfect Love and Grace. We know the rest of the story. God already knew what was gonna happen and was gonna use this situation with Lucifer to show the depths of his LOVE. There are no second chances with God, spiritually apart from our flesh. Humans are fortunate to have multiple chances to choose God. His Grace is Amazing. When it comes to purgatory, I sadfully say, this does not conform with God's Love, it is not justified by God's character. One chance only to choose. Those you pray for, that you say are in purgatory, that have left this world have either accepted Christ (God) as their Savior or haven't. No second chances after your spirit leaves your physical body. If they haven't chosen Jesus Christ as their Savior, they are forever lost to their Guilt and apart from God's LOVE FOREVER. So please don't preach purgatory, it just leads more unbelieving humans to a false hope!

#ThereAreNoSecondChancesNoPurgatory
#ChooseJesusNowWhileYouStillCan
#GetToKnowJesusHisFathersHouseHasManyMansions
#IfGodGaveSecondChancesHeWouldForegiveLucifer

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions!

And this goes to show that you don’t really understand the concept of Purgatory – or as the Catechism of the Catholic Church calls it – the “final PurIfication of the elect”.

This has nothing to do with “second chances.” It has nothing to do with the finished work of Christ on the cross NOt being sufficient. Purgatory is ONLY possible because of what Christ already did.

Rev. 21:27 states firmly that nothing unclean or imperfect can enter Heaven. Everything in Heaven has been perfected in God’s grace through His Son, Jesus Christ. Many of us leave this world in a state of grace but are still in need of being perfected.

THIS is the final Purification of the elect that we read about in verses like 2 Cor. 3:10-15, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59.
1 Cor. 3:12-15. It says that the day of judgment will disclose the foundation that a person builds upon and how it will be revealed:
“If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.”

In the Old Testament, God is described as the Great Refiner. A refiner is someone who takes the raw material for metal and actually gets the gold and silver and iron from that material - and he does it with FIRE. We see in Malalchi 3:3, Jer. 6:27-30, Ezek. 22:18, Psalm 119:119, Psalm 37:20, Zech. 13:9, Isa 48:10, where God is the Refiner who burns away the impurities to get to the precious metal – the gold and silver.

If you’re looking for the word, “Purgatory” in scripture – you won’t find it.
But, then again, you won’t find “Trinity” or “Incarnation” either. For that matter – you won’t find the word “Bible” in the Bible . . .

 

[jshiii]

Rev. 21:27 states firmly that nothing unclean or imperfect can enter Heaven. Everything in Heaven has been perfected in God’s grace through His Son, Jesus Christ. Many of us leave this world in a state of grace but are still in need of being perfected.

This right here creates DOUBT, creates DISTRACTION. You need to come to the realization right now that you will never leave this world even close to PERFECTION! Neither will I in and of my own self without Christ as my Savior. When my Heart takes its last beat.....

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed, we shall not be found naked. . . We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:1,2,8).

For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better (Philippians 1:23).

And he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, 'Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!'. . . And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit' (Acts 7:55,56, 59).

@BreadOfLife....My perfection is DONE, in Christ! (no prayers needed)

When I leave this world, I do not want anyone praying for me! I want them praying for the unbelievers who have not yet been saved. Those who have ONLY one chance to get to know our Jesus Christ, our Savior.

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions!

 

[Helen]

Forgive me if I step on some toes. It's saturday night and I feel like sharing some truths. God decided to withdraw his hand from holding Lucifer (before he sinned). See...Lucifer was only PERFECT because of God and God holding him in perfection. God is perfect, Just and Holy! Lucifer was perfect in every way. Then God gave him free reign over his conscious. Free to choose and do as he would like. Lucifer became prideful. Lucifer said, "Let us become LIKE God." Notice, Lucifer knew no one could ever become better than God. So he settled, "Let us become Like God." This was unforgivable. No chances of ever returning to God's perfect Love and Grace. We know the rest of the story. God already knew what was gonna happen and was gonna use this situation with Lucifer to show the depths of his LOVE. There are no second chances with God, spiritually apart from our flesh. Humans are fortunate to have multiple chances to choose God. His Grace is Amazing. When it comes to purgatory, I sadfully say, this does not conform with God's Love, it is not justified by God's character. One chance only to choose. Those you pray for, that you say are in purgatory, that have left this world have either accepted Christ (God) as their Savior or haven't. No second chances after your spirit leaves your physical body. If they haven't chosen Jesus Christ as their Savior, they are forever lost to their Guilt and apart from God's LOVE FOREVER. So please don't preach purgatory, it just leads more unbelieving humans to a false hope!

#ThereAreNoSecondChancesNoPurgatory
#ChooseJesusNowWhileYouStillCan
#GetToKnowJesusHisFathersHouseHasManyMansions
#IfGodGaveSecondChancesHeWouldForegiveLucifer

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!
Eternity is a Very long Time!
Satan Loves Distractions!

You are obviously stuck in the old testament...you see nothing of the amazing grace of God and what He DID in sending Jesus Christ His Son at a GREAT price to redeem .

2 Peter...3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

In my dealing with God for the last 55 years...I find that GOD always get His way and His will done.

God always wins...

 

[jshiii]

You are obviously stuck in the old testament...you see nothing of the amazing grace of God and what He DID in sending Jesus Christ His Son at a GREAT price to redeem .

2 Peter...3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

In my dealing with God for the last 55 years...I find that GOD always get His way and His will done.

God always wins...

I couldn't agree with you more Helen! Love it! God's grace is amazing! But after this physical life, if we haven't chose his love and salvation, I'm not sure his Grace carries over to unbelievers? (those that were able to choose Jesus as their Savior, but didn't, but died, physically, rejecting him)

Yea, I'm totally a New Testament believer, not "stuck in the old testament." After our Lord died on the cross, the old testament laws could not be held against us, believers, anymore.


I think you misunderstood what I was saying in the OP I apologize if I offended you Helen.

By the way, I know his grace. I struggle with sin everyday. I don't lie to myself and think I'm "holier than thou." I trust him in my weakness. Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

 

[Ezra]

And this goes to show that you don’t really understand the concept of Purgatory – or as the Catechism of the Catholic Church calls it – the “final PurIfication of the elect”.

This has nothing to do with “second chances.” It has nothing to do with the finished work of Christ on the cross NOt being sufficient. Purgatory is ONLY possible because of what Christ already did.

garbage when you die its either heaven or hell ..best thing anyone can do is ignore your leaven bread doctrine

 

[Helen]

garbage when you die its either heaven or hell ..best thing anyone can do is ignore your leaven bread doctrine

So you say...very loving..you sound just like Father God.

Time will tell brother, time will tell, and we shall see what we shall see.
God will not lose 92% of all humanity..... and then shout " To hell with them...now let you who are left ...party". Is that what you get out of God beautiful bible?

So you really believe that from before the foundation of time..to the End, that was His great Plan ?

 

[shnarkle]

After our Lord died on the cross, the old testament laws could not be held against us, believers, anymore.

I think Paul might disagree:

" And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

The Old Testament laws do not hold against the New Covenant, but if one sins under the New Covenant, Christ's sacrifice will in no way cover that sin. Hebrews 10:26 Christ's sacrifice covers only sins committed under the Old Covenant which are sins committed before one receives a new heart to keep God's commandments. The explicit reason why those undre the New Covenant are no longer under condemnation is because they no longer sin. Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 11:19; 36:26; Hebrews 8:9,10

 

[jshiii]

I think Paul might disagree:

" And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

On this, correct me if I'm wrong. The context is the Gentiles being grafted into the tree (Israel)? And this is exactly what it means. Paul would not disagree with anything I have said thus far.

 

[jshiii]

I think Paul might disagree:

The Old Testament laws do not hold against the New Covenant, but if one sins under the New Covenant, Christ's sacrifice will in no way cover that sin. Hebrews 10:26 Christ's sacrifice covers only sins committed under the Old Covenant which are sins committed before one receives a new heart to keep God's commandments. The explicit reason why those undre the New Covenant are no longer under condemnation is because they no longer sin. Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 11:19; 36:26; Hebrews 8:9,10

On this....The New Covenant, all those who believe in Christ, through Faith, no sins are held against them.

The only way one can sin under the New Covenant is...By not believing In Jesus Christ, that he was God's Son in the Flesh, and that he died for our sins! PERIOD!!

 

[reformed1689]

You are obviously stuck in the old testament...you see nothing of the amazing grace of God and what He DID in sending Jesus Christ His Son at a GREAT price to redeem .

2 Peter...3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

In my dealing with God for the last 55 years...I find that GOD always get His way and His will done.

God always wins...

Wait, are you saying everyone goes to Heaven?

 

[jshiii]

Wait, are you saying everyone goes to Heaven?

I think she was.

 

[jshiii]

So you say...very loving..you sound just like Father God.

Time will tell brother, time will tell, and we shall see what we shall see.
God will not lose 92% of all humanity..... and then shout " To hell with them...now let you who are left ...party". Is that what you get out of God beautiful bible?

So you really believe that from before the foundation of time..to the End, that was His great Plan ?

Let's remember one thing, God doesn't send anyone to Hell (except for Satan and the fallen angels). Unbelievers here on Earth, unfortunately, send themselves to Hell (because of their unbelief in the Son). Seriously they do, because they are either deceived or would rather remain in darkness (not wanting a relationship with Christ). This is why it's so important that we pray against the Kingdom of Evil and hope to lead more to the light (Christ's Love).

 

[shnarkle]

On this, correct me if I'm wrong. The context is the Gentiles being grafted into the tree (Israel)? And this is exactly what it means. Paul would not disagree with anything I have said thus far.

It's not the gentiles, but the gentile converts into Israel. Not all gentiles convert. Those who are grafted in, are necessarily under the same conditions. We see this in Acts 7:38; 15: 18-21 The oracles of God are given to the New Testament church, and they are going into the synagogues on the Sabbath to learn all of them.

Now this isn't to say that all humanity isn't guilty before God according to God's commandments. All of humanity is guilty before God's standard which is his law. The only difference is between those who are under the law verses those who are judged outside the law, and the church is clearly not judged outside the law; at least not according to Paul.

 

[Ezra]

So you say...very loving..you sound just like Father God.

Time will tell brother, time will tell, and we shall see what we shall see.
God will not lose 92% of all humanity..... and then shout " To hell with them...now let you who are left ...party". Is that what you get out of God beautiful bible?

So you really believe that from before the foundation of time..to the End, that was His great Plan ?

not sure where your coming from.but scripture says its appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment. in rev we find the great white throne judgement for those who have not been saved when they die.!!! at the judgment seat w will either hear enter in or depart from me. there is NO purifying process after we die . we have either been redeemed by the Blood of the lamb. justified or we have not lost or saved no inbetween no 2nd chance

So you really believe that from before the foundation of time..to the End, that was His great Plan ?

his plan is that he is longsuffering not willing any should perish but ALL come to repentance . unfortunately all will not repent.. you will also find this in the Book of rev. i hope your not implying a universal salvation.... which is not Bible so i will await your explanation before posting any more Bible . God gives us a chance and a choice. for years i gambled .several times i could have been took out of this world as a lost man.. from wrecks to waking up and seeing a gun barrel pointed in my side of the car . that is not a good thing to say waking up from drinking a bit to much .

 

[Ezra]

Wait, are you saying everyone goes to Heaven?

if she is.. then she is wrong

 

[Ezra]

the church is clearly not judged outside the law; at least not according to Paul.

you are correct for we are under grace

 

[shnarkle]

On this....The New Covenant, all those who believe in Christ, through Faith, no sins are held against them.

That only applies to the Old Testament. No one sins under the New Covenant. Did you look at he references I provided for your edification?

The only way one can sin under the New Covenant is...By not believing In Jesus Christ,

False. No on can sin under the New Covenant. No one who is brought into the New Covenant can sin. Again, I provided proof texts. Did you look at them?

 

[Ezra]

You are obviously stuck in the old testament...you see nothing of the amazing grace of God and what He DID in sending Jesus Christ His Son at a GREAT price to redeem .

2 Peter...3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

In my dealing with God for the last 55 years...I find that GOD always get His way and His will done.

God always wins...

yes he does but if we make the choice not to accept Christ then its our loss not his

 

[historyb]

To the OP your title is not what purgatory is. Purgatory is not a second chance but a cleansing as St. Paul says "as through fire". While I am not Catholic I do understand what they mean, though I do believe that CS Lewis put it:

Mind you, the Reformers had good reasons for throwing doubt on "the Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory" as that Romish doctrine had then become. I don't mean merely the commercial scandal. If you turn from Dante's Purgatorio to the Sixteenth Century you will be appalled by the degradation. In Thomas More's Supplication of Souls Purgatory is simply temporary Hell. In it the souls are tormented by devils, whose presence is "more horrible and grievous to us than is the pain itself." Worse still, Fisher, in his Sermon on Psalm VI, says the tortures are so intense that the spirit who suffers them cannot, for pain, "remember God as he ought to do." In fact, the very etymology of the word purgatory has dropped out of sight. Its pains do not bring us nearer to God, but make us forget Him. It is a place not of purification but purely of retributive punishment.

The right view returns magnificently in Newman's Dream. There, if I remember it rightly, the saved soul, at the very foot of the throne, begs to be taken away and cleansed. It cannot bear for a moment longer "With its darkness to affront that light." Religion has reclaimed Purgatory.

Our souls demand Purgatory, don't they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, "It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy."? Should we not reply, "With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I'd rather be cleaned first." "It may hurt, you know"--"Even so, sir."

I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. But I don't think suffering is the purpose of the purgation. I can well believe that people neither much worse nor much better than I will suffer less than I or more. "No nonsense about merit." The treatment given will be the one required, whether it hurts little or much.

My favourite image on this matter comes from the dentist's chair. I hope that when the tooth of life is drawn and I am "coming round", a voice will say, "Rinse your mouth out with this." This will be Purgatory. The rinsing may take longer than I can now imagine. The taste of this may be more fiery and astringent than my present sensibility could endure. But More and Fisher shall not persuade me that it will be disgusting and unhallowed.

Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer, by C. S. Lewis