Correct....that is why we must test the spirit to know if it is from Him.
The Bible is Complete...but not conclusive.
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You know about Kim clement? The video I posted in my response, what do you think of that prophecy in that video he propesied about?
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Welcome to the forum JenniD. ? Who are the two witnesses
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I agree to a certain extent, but Paul says that we all have our own special gifts. He doesn't say that we all have all the gifts. Some have the gift of healing, while others have the gift of prophecy, etc.
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That ship sailed 2000 years ago. The church adopted pagan ways almost from the beginning. it dropped the Sabbath, the dietary laws, marriage, prohibitions against usury, etc. Once the devil gets his foot into the door, he has no problem swinging it wide open. Anyone who balks now is already lost.
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I think the easiest way to determine who the two witnesses are is to see who the world attacks. To me, at least in first world countries, not to mention communist or socialist countries; the bible is a witness that is aggressively being silenced. The other witness is the spirit. Paul enjoins the church not to "quench the Spirit", and I see this happening all the time. People know that what is going on around them is wrong, but the Spirit within is quenched anyways. I see those powers in high places reveling and celebrating their victory as well. They openly parade down Main St. USA sodomizing each other in broad daylight. They do this with impunity.
Agreed...but on the other hand the Holy Spirit can manifest any gift at any given time through us because it is His Power through us doing the work. My point....say someone suddenly has collapsed from a heart attack and the only person around is one who typically operates in the gift of tongues....and what is needed is healing...so for that moment healing is manifested through that person. Does that make sense? Paul operated in numerous gifts as an example.
Not as openly as it is today....never would the Catholic church allow gay priests or marry them in the old days....sorry to use that example but it is one that is splitting the church...
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It says the witnesses are in the Lord's presence...so they must know the Lord personally like Moses knew him face to face...etc
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What the Holy Spirit can do is not in dispute here. What the Holy Spirit will do most definitely is. Have you ever been at the scene of an accident, and seen someone suddenly become aware of how to administer CPR without any training? I've seen people with CPR training spring into action and save someone's life. They went about seeking how to learn the proper method through the proper channels. Do you know why? Because they are then exempt from criminal or civil prosecution.
It makes sense to administer CPR, but if someone makes the attempt, at the very least, without a card from the Red Cross showing that they've been trained in CPR, they're probably going to be prosecuted even if they manage to save the person's life, they can still be prosecuted. It happens.
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There is no other way to know the Lord other than personally. Anyone can stop at a stop sign, or refrain from murder. This doesn't establish one in Christ anymore than a Pharisee is established by their perfect adherence to the Mosaic law. The law must be written in one's heart. That law that is written in the heart of the new creature is the Mosaic law, and it is manifested only by the power of the Holy Spirit. Both witnesses will be removed from this fallen world.
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Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
You have a very good point, many Christians in the world and even here on forums will say "Just faith, saved by Grace". But that is counter to everything the Word of God says, "2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." We are told plainly we need to study the Word of God to be "approved unto God", so that we are not "ashamed". Which ties in the ten virgins, the five fools are Christians thinking "all I need to do is believe", but then Jesus rejects them because they have no oil and do not shine the Glory of God with their actions.
When we are given the free gift of faith we are babes, we know the "milk" or basics, that there is a God and his Son Jesus Christ died for our sins. But if that is the extent of your knowledge of God and Christianity, only to fall back to "saved by grace", you leave yourself open to satan's attacks having no foundation of knowledge or the understanding to "discern both good and evil". You could be sinning and being vile people, you would not know, unless you study the Word of God and grow into understand the "meat".
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
You have a very good point, many Christians in the world and even here on forums will say "Just faith, saved by Grace". But that is counter to everything the Word of God says, "2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." We are told plainly we need to study the Word of God to be "approved unto God", so that we are not "ashamed". Which ties in the ten virgins, the five fools are Christians thinking "all I need to do is believe", but then Jesus rejects them because they have no oil and do not shine the Glory of God with their actions.
When we are given the free gift of faith we are babes, we know the "milk" or basics, that there is a God and his Son Jesus Christ died for our sins. But if that is the extent of your knowledge of God and Christianity, only to fall back to "saved by grace", you leave yourself open to satan's attacks having no foundation of knowledge or the understanding to "discern both good and evil". You could be sinning and being vile people, you would not know, unless you study the Word of God and grow into understand the "meat".
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Man you people need to stop, the bible says the two witnesses are in the Lord's presence meaning they speak with the Lord personally like Moses did...
Do any of these, including yourself, speak words (prophesied) as good as Scripture? That was the case of the OT Prophets and NT Apostles.
Having a few right pronouncements don't count. Those speaking in the name of the LORD must be right everytime. I have seen too many false prophetic words from those claiming to be Prophets or Prophetesses.
OBTW, another common feature of biblical prophets and apostles is that they were all Jewish because...
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. (Rom 3:1-2)
This is the KEY ISSUE. Any genuine prophet today (1) will need to bring a revelation above and beyond what is in Scripture, (2) it would have to be equivalent to Scripture, and (3) it would have to be for all Christians worldwide.
Today's prophets are all bogus, but those with itching ears will simply not be satisfied with the written Word of God. They are always looking for new and exciting experiences and revelations, ever learning and never able to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
God has provided His people with everything they need for life and godliness. He has also deigned to give us an overview of what is to be expected in the future. But the primary business of the Church today is the Great Commission -- bringing souls to Christ and then making disciples out of believers. Not running after prophets for some excitement.
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