The Wedding Feast/Marriage Supper

[bbyrd009]

Wadr, you did not present what you think the 5 virgins are, so you don't know if I would agree or not. And btw, are you absolutely sure you are the one hearing and I am not? Are you absolutely sure your mindframe is good and mine causes hearing loss?

Oh no I didn’t mean that necessarily, sorry; but I am aware that you expect to become an immortal after you die and so this is going to color the interpretation. In other words to your mind, the “five” virgins have to die in order to enter into the kingdom, correct? So my interpretation would not be of any use to you right now i guess

Wadr, you did not present what you think the 5 virgins are

Anyway if those five are the smart hand so to speak

obedient hand, maybe

 

[bbyrd009]

Those 5 in the parable were accepted. They were allowed in.

As many as do the will of Yah, they are the sons of Yah

What in the parable tells you they were impertinent?

That was directed at the “arbitrarily” sorry

What do you think two sets of five means?

 

[CharismaticLady]

'Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion;
put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city:
for henceforth there shall no more come into thee
the uncircumcised and the unclean.'
(Isaiah 52:1)

'For thy Maker (Jerusalem) is thine Husband;
the LORD of hosts is His name;
and Thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall He be called.
(Isaiah 54:5)

Hello @CharismaticLady,

It is to Jerusalem that the verse you quote (Isaiah 54:5) is referring. 'The New Jerusalem'. She is the bride, the Lamb's wife. Who is The Maker of Heaven and Earth

* To us God is - 'The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ', and our Father too, 'in Him'.

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I know that, but I am grafted into Israel. God is my Husband, whether He is yours or not.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Seems as if your saying God marries His children?
Is God not our Father?

He is that too. He is Spirit.

 

[Waiting on him]

As many as do the will of Yah, they are the sons of Yah
That was directed at the “arbitrarily” sorry

What do you think two sets of five means?

What’s the will of Yah?

 

[Waiting on him]

'But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
For it is written,
'Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not;
break forth and cry, thou that travailest not:
for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.'
(Galatians 4:26-27)

Hello @Waiting on him,

Verse 27 (above) is also quoted from Isaiah 54, so we have come full circle.

It goes on to say in Galatians 4:28,
'Now we, brethren, as Isaac was,
are the children of promise.
but as then he that was born after the flesh
persecuted him that was born after the Spirit,
even so it is now.'

Thank you for taking me there,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

That is just sad to me, She had no children and wept for what Christ gave for Her that She May be fruitful.

Well anyway that’s the image I’m receiving.

 

[Waiting on him]

He is that too. He is Spirit.

Ok....
thanks.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I am aware that you expect to become an immortal after you die

True. I think I will never die again after mortal death if I keep trusting Him.

 

[Philip James]

She’s free and the mother of us all.

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water.

Peace!

 

[Nancy]

got a Scripture for that? i ask bc i always heard "prepared bride" which seemed to infer being tested first

surely occurs in every life, and is therefore "eternal" so to speak?

Maybe we are the Betrothed, not yes a bride?

 

[bbyrd009]

What’s the will of Yah?

the last thing we wanna do? narf
ya, so maybe that thing you hear that doesnt make any noise, that prompt we all get, and either act on or not? But really widows, orphans, etc and what even some Samaritans do i guesss

 

[bbyrd009]

True. I think I will never die again after mortal death if I keep trusting Him.

right so the virgins have to die before they can enter right

you arent worried about a bargain to cheat death getting cancelled?

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe we are the Betrothed, not yes a bride?

no idea here...daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready so maybe, yeh

 

[stunnedbygrace]

right so the virgins have to die before they can enter right

you arent worried about a bargain to cheat death getting cancelled?

I don't think the parable is about dying prepared or unprepared. I think it is about when Jesus comes back to gather us together.

I don't see those who believe in that gathering together in the air as making a deal to cheat death. I don't think the deal to cheat death verse applies to only a certain group of men who believe in a gathering together before the time of testing that is coming on the whole world to test its people. I think they read it and truly think some will be instantly changed when He returns for us.And at that time, If their faith has been tested already while they lived here and God decides they are ready and need no further testing, I don't think they will be tested further but will be caught up to meet Him.

Now if you were to ask me if I think I will be one of those gathered if I happen to be alive on earth when He returns, I would have to say I don't know. I can't trust my judgement on it. But either way, I am not scared. I trust Him to make the right decisions concerning me and to do whatever will make my trust come out like gold. So if I need more testing, I don't look at it as a punishment, but as a great blessing.

Now if you ask me if I WANT to remain here through that terrible time, I can honestly answer, no. Who would read about what is coming and say they WANT to be here when those hard and awful things happen? Who WOULDNT pray to be found worthy/strong enough to stand before Him when He comes and to be kept from the time of testing coming on the whole world?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I agree, I'm not sure of the timing either. All I know is that John had a series of visions, but they weren't in chronological order.

Where is this found: "the bride who is found worthy to escape the time of testing." Are you talking about the 'whole' Bride? What about the lukewarm Christians that have to go through that time to to get off the fence, one way or the other.

Well, I'm a bit like you - I am not certain of all the chronology and I don't know where the pauses are. I am not certain about any of it , really. I know more...what I suspect than what I know for certain, when it comes to end times.

But concerning those who have to "get off the fence," I don't think they will be the bride. John the Baptist didn't think of himself as the bride, but as the best man. Maybe. Based on what he said.

A lot is what I suspect but not what I know for sure. Its a lot to try to understand.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes, and "protect" is the better understanding, "for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

I don't know. Protect or keep from or whatever other translations say, I think the Luke verse and the rev verse go together. If I'm following your thoughts right, I'm not sure I agree with how you see that verse you quoted. It seems you send it outward in a way not meant, like...well, if He blesses both the just and the unjust with sun and rain, then He will require both the just and the unjust to go through that time of testing...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The verses I think need to go together are:
Luke 21:28
Luke 21:34-36
Rev 2:10
Rev 3:10

I think they are pieces that fit together. They say this:

When you see these things begin to happen look up, for your redemption/ salvation is near. Keep alert. Watch out! Do not let your hearts be dulled by the worries of this life and let that day catch you unaware. Keep alert and pray you might be counted worthy/strong enough to escape/be kept from these horrors and stand before the Son of man. The devil will throw some of you into prison to test you. You will suffer for 10 days. But because you have obeyed my command to persevere, even when facing death, I will protect/keep you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world.

That's how I see it fitting together.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But you see that it says when you see these things begin to happen, look up.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The only way all the prophecies make sense to me is if there is a gathering together AND He comes after the horrors of those days. If you mash them all together only when He comes after those days, it doesn't work.

For instance, the verse about as it was in the days of Noah, people will be having weddings and parties, etc., this could not be occurring when the horrors that are so awful they make men's hearts stop because of fear are also occurring. No one would be partying and marrying amid lack of potable water, famine, and all of the awful things that are described in that time.

It only works if some of the verses apply to a different event and timeframe.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Well, I'm a bit like you - I am not certain of all the chronology and I don't know where the pauses are. I am not certain about any of it , really. I know more...what I suspect than what I know for certain, when it comes to end times.

But concerning those who have to "get off the fence," I don't think they will be the bride. John the Baptist didn't think of himself as the bride, but as the best man. Maybe. Based on what he said.

A lot is what I suspect but not what I know for sure. Its a lot to try to understand.

Personally, I believe all those believing in the Messiah that died during the Old Covenant, like John the Baptist, King David, Noah, and the thief on the cross, etc. went to 'Paradise,' otherwise called Abraham's bosom. When Jesus died and rose again, many of them were seen walking around Jerusalem. Even though the Scriptures are silent on what happened to them then, I personally believed they ascended to heaven when Christ did. So Abraham's bosom/Paradise is empty.