Aussie fires....

[Nancy]

Why is it that so few people catch on to this trick?

Indoctrination and propaganda?

 

[Giuliano]

And that is the way the world has been designed to work... Thesis versus antithesis results in synthesis.
Right versus left
Democrat versus Republican
Conservative versus liberal
Capitalism versus socialism
Etc etc etc.... Then out of chaos comes order... Synthesis... And the whole world wonders after the beast.

Ron Hubbard said that often the solution to one problem creates a new problem.

If you want to maintain control by appealing to the fears of people, you need to plan what your problems will be, create them and then solve them in a way they create new problems for you to manage. Most politicians don't think that far ahead. Either way, it's a vicious form of "managing" people; but the more short-sighted politicians can create problems they'd rather not have and for which their opponents can oust them from power.

 

[Giuliano]

Indoctrination and propaganda?

Yes, and I think that's connected with hopes and fears. If you can scare people and then convince them you know how to protect them, they'll vote for you. Sometimes they'll vote for you irrationally even out of hope that's based on nothing. Obama's slogan was "Hope and change." I asked myself hope for what? What's he want to change? The slogan made no sense to me, but I think it helped get him elected.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, and I think that's connected with hopes and fears. If you can scare people and then convince them you know how to protect them, they'll vote for you. Sometimes they'll vote for you irrationally even out of hope that's based on nothing. Obama's slogan was "Hope and change." I asked myself hope for what? What's he want to change? The slogan made no sense to me, but I think it helped get him elected.

They all have their slogans and talking points to tickle the ears of their base. This world is so very corrupt, I no longer believe anything they say. So glad I do not watch TV!

 

[marksman]

I have come to the conclusion that it becomes very easy for the extreme left to self justify when they refuse to listen to counter arguments, referring to them as hate speech... Phobic... Etc etc.
I see the same tactic being carried out throughout religious history, only instead of the above triggering words, we use the term heresy... And still revert to our own safe place of personal and/or corporate infallibility and trusting in the fruits of religious malfeasance rather than investigation and transparent openness to God's revelation.

Brakelite, are those four children on your posts your own children? If they are you are a very blessed man indeed.

 

[marksman]

Why is it that so few people catch on to this trick?

In my studies at University for my Social Science degree, I was as told that in most societies there are 10% dominant left and 10% dominant right and the 80% in between follow whoever is in the seat of power. Until Trump, Morrison, and Johnson the governments have been run by lefties who were devoted to political correctness. They have been aided by a lamestream media that is fiercely anti-God and righteousness.

The time came when people said enough is enough and began their fightback by electing men into leadership who were not captive to political correctness and the lamestream media. One can say that the truth about the bushfires in Australia is coming out because people are beginning to tell the truth that is not fettered by political correctness.

None left commentators in the media in Australia have said that the relentless attack on Morrison has been because the left is angry that their preferred candidate Bill Shorten who was going to submit government to the whims of homosexuals and unionists was rejected by the voters so they are doing their best to bring him down. Their relentless attacks are mainly made up of fables and lies but who cares as long as they dethrone him.

If these three men can stay the course and the voters put them back into government again, it will take a long time for the left loonies to regain the traction they had in society. I admit that these men are not perfect, but neither was David or Solomon but God still chose them to reign. These men are the men for the hour so let us be thankful that we are not subject to a government that puts homosexuals in the seat of power as the alternatives intended to do.

Please note however that Morrison is a Christian; a man that has only been married once; a man that is married and has two children of their own making and has kept his marriage vows and is a formidable politician. With a righteous man like that in charge and I might add, a Jew as Treasurer, how good is that to coin a Morrison phrase.

 

[Giuliano]

They all have their slogans and talking points to tickle the ears of their base. This world is so very corrupt, I no longer believe anything they say. So glad I do not watch TV!

I have no TV that can be watched. I found so much of it trash, first I canceled cable. About a year later, I turned on Public Broadcasting and got a very boring show. When the new gadgets came out to switch over to some new broadcasting system, I didn't bother. I have a TV I found stashed somewhere just this week -- it's now in my living room waiting to be taken for recycling. You're not missing much.

 

[Giuliano]

The time came when people said enough is enough and began their fightback by electing men into leadership who were not captive to political correctness and the lamestream media. One can say that the truth about the bushfires in Australia is coming out because people are beginning to tell the truth that is not fettered by political correctness.

Maybe, maybe not. It's like people revolting and overthrowing a government. Sometimes the new government is worse than the old one. I wasn't impressed by how Morrison went on vacation. Even worse was the fact that his office denied at first he was on vacation. I don't understand why they'd lie about it.

Australian PM cuts vacation in Hawaii short as country deals with deadly wildfires

Australia’s prime minister is cutting his vacation in Hawaii short after receiving heavy criticism for being away as New South Wales deals with raging fires that have killed two firefighters.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s office originally denied that he was in Hawaii, but on Thursday, he confirmed in a radio interview that he was indeed in the islands.

After the firefighters’ deaths were announced, Morrison issued a statement that said he would return to Australia as soon as possible.

The Guardian had a story about it with more details about the denials.

Story here: Scott Morrison's Hawaii horror show: how a PR disaster unfolded

 

[brakelite]

Brakelite, are those four children on your posts your own children? If they are you are a very blessed man indeed.

Thankyou brother, they are 4 of my 13 grandchildren.

 

[brakelite]

In my studies at University for my Social Science degree, I was as told that in most societies there are 10% dominant left and 10% dominant right and the 80% in between follow whoever is in the seat of power. Until Trump, Morrison, and Johnson the governments have been run by lefties who were devoted to political correctness. They have been aided by a lamestream media that is fiercely anti-God and righteousness.

The time came when people said enough is enough and began their fightback by electing men into leadership who were not captive to political correctness and the lamestream media. One can say that the truth about the bushfires in Australia is coming out because people are beginning to tell the truth that is not fettered by political correctness.

None left commentators in the media in Australia have said that the relentless attack on Morrison has been because the left is angry that their preferred candidate Bill Shorten who was going to submit government to the whims of homosexuals and unionists was rejected by the voters so they are doing their best to bring him down. Their relentless attacks are mainly made up of fables and lies but who cares as long as they dethrone him.

If these three men can stay the course and the voters put them back into government again, it will take a long time for the left loonies to regain the traction they had in society. I admit that these men are not perfect, but neither was David or Solomon but God still chose them to reign. These men are the men for the hour so let us be thankful that we are not subject to a government that puts homosexuals in the seat of power as the alternatives intended to do.

Please note however that Morrison is a Christian; a man that has only been married once; a man that is married and has two children of their own making and has kept his marriage vows and is a formidable politician. With a righteous man like that in charge and I might add, a Jew as Treasurer, how good is that to coin a Morrison phrase.

Same tactics against Morrison as are being used against Trump. Scream the house down and don't let truth spoil the story.

 

[marksman]

Maybe, maybe not. It's like people revolting and overthrowing a government. Sometimes the new government is worse than the old one. I wasn't impressed by how Morrison went on vacation. Even worse was the fact that his office denied at first he was on vacation. I don't understand why they'd lie about it.

Australian PM cuts vacation in Hawaii short as country deals with deadly wildfires

Australia’s prime minister is cutting his vacation in Hawaii short after receiving heavy criticism for being away as New South Wales deals with raging fires that have killed two firefighters.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s office originally denied that he was in Hawaii, but on Thursday, he confirmed in a radio interview that he was indeed in the islands.

After the firefighters’ deaths were announced, Morrison issued a statement that said he would return to Australia as soon as possible.

The Guardian had a story about it with more details about the denials.

Story here: Scott Morrison's Hawaii horror show: how a PR disaster unfolded

Let me put things into perspective for you. The lamestream media would have loved to know where he was holidaying so they could follow him and take all sorts of photos with their own spin on them which invariably would be lies. I asked myself why he would go overseas for a holiday when Australia is replete with wonderful holiday spots.

The answer is very simple. Going overseas and keeping it secret is the only way he could guarantee having a holiday without the intrusion of the paparazzi. He was protecting his children which as a father he had every right to do and should do. When I lived in the UK, members of the Royal Family did their best to have holidays without intrusion, and when they went overseas, chances were that even then the paparazzi found them and intruded on their privacy.

A senior Labor politician who is now retired and a political commentator asked why he should not go on holiday. Everyone else did. And he pointed out that nothing had been said about the Labor leadership going on holiday at the same time. Obviously the saying "All hands on deck" means nothing to the lamestream media. The fact is whatever the PM does, the lamestream media will criticise him because they hate the fact that he defeated their poster boy at the last election.

Interestingly the one paper in Australia that speaks as they find and are not driven by a left-wing agenda, never wrote up the holiday as a disaster. They asked a very pertinent question "If he was not on holiday, What was he going to do that would add to the rescue operations?" The answer was nothing as he is not a trained firefighter, the trained firefighters were out in force fighting the fires, the water bombers were operating all over the place (we have 46 of them and he is going to order some more) which incidentally he could have done with a phone call from his holiday home and he has committed $2 billion to help people affected by bush fires to recover. Again he could have done that from his holiday with a phone call.

It is also interesting to note that a former Liberal PM who is a trained firefighter has been out helping quell the flames. Interesting to note that the lamestream media has not said one single thing about that.

So, when you look into all the FACTS, it is a beat up by the people that are committed to bringing down a Liberal government that they hate. It has nothing at all to do with care and compassion for those suffering from the bush fires.

And one final question. What did he do when he did arrive home from his holiday. Virtually nothing apart from visiting fire-ravaged areas to give a bit of encouragement and support to those who have lost all and to face people brought in by the lamestream media to insult him and belittle him and who did not live in the fire-ravaged area.

How do we know that? The locals spilled the beans and said they did not live in the village. They were strangers. As you know, in small villages, everyone knows everyone.

As for the Guardian being a source of news. What a joke. I read it for a year and gave up because it was patently obvious that the truth was a very loose thing as far as they were concerned.

I know that people like to get exercise jumping to conclusions, but do try and avoid doing this with news from other countries that you do not live in. I certainly do this when reading news about America so please give us the same courtesy.

 

[Giuliano]

Let me put things into perspective for you. The lamestream media would have loved to know where he was holidaying so they could follow him and take all sorts of photos with their own spin on them which invariably would be lies. I asked myself why he would go overseas for a holiday when Australia is replete with wonderful holiday spots.

The answer is very simple. Going overseas and keeping it secret is the only way he could guarantee having a holiday without the intrusion of the paparazzi. He was protecting his children which as a father he had every right to do and should do. When I lived in the UK, members of the Royal Family did their best to have holidays without intrusion, and when they went overseas, chances were that even then the paparazzi found them and intruded on their privacy.

A senior Labor politician who is now retired and a political commentator asked why he should not go on holiday. Everyone else did. And he pointed out that nothing had been said about the Labor leadership going on holiday at the same time. Obviously the saying "All hands on deck" means nothing to the lamestream media. The fact is whatever the PM does, the lamestream media will criticise him because they hate the fact that he defeated their poster boy at the last election.

Interestingly the one paper in Australia that speaks as they find and are not driven by a left-wing agenda, never wrote up the holiday as a disaster. They asked a very pertinent question "If he was not on holiday, What was he going to do that would add to the rescue operations?" The answer was nothing as he is not a trained firefighter, the trained firefighters were out in force fighting the fires, the water bombers were operating all over the place (we have 46 of them and he is going to order some more) which incidentally he could have done with a phone call from his holiday home and he has committed $2 billion to help people affected by bush fires to recover. Again he could have done that from his holiday with a phone call.

It is also interesting to note that a former Liberal PM who is a trained firefighter has been out helping quell the flames. Interesting to note that the lamestream media has not said one single thing about that.

So, when you look into all the FACTS, it is a beat up by the people that are committed to bringing down a Liberal government that they hate. It has nothing at all to do with care and compassion for those suffering from the bush fires.

And one final question. What did he do when he did arrive home from his holiday. Virtually nothing apart from visiting fire-ravaged areas to give a bit of encouragement and support to those who have lost all and to and to face people brought in by the lamestream media to insult him and belittle him and who did not live in the fire-ravaged area.

How do we know that? The locals spilled the beans and said they did not live in the village. They were strangers. As you know, in small villages, everyone knows everyone.

As for the Guardian being a source of news. What a joke. I read it for a year and gave up because it was patently obvious that the truth was a very loose thing as far as they were concerned.

I know that people like to get exercise jumping to conclusions, but do try and avoid doing this with news from other countries that you do not live in. I certainly do this when reading news about America so please give us the same courtesy.

I'll be frank with you. You use some slanted language yourself, giving me the impression you have some partisan biases of your own.

 

[marksman]

Thankyou brother, they are 4 of my 13 grandchildren.

Just beat me to it. I have 11 grandchildren and number 12 is on the way. If I had known what fun they would be I would have had them first.

 

[marksman]

I'll be frank with you. You use some slanted language yourself, giving me the impression you have some partisan biases of your own.

I don't know what slanted language means. Most of the time, my computer types upright letters.

 

[marksman]

If the climate change issue due to mans involvement is objectively real I don't see any significant moves globally to reign in its stated cause.
Belief in it whether real or no however, can be a catalyst to pass laws yet unheard of with the agenda of justifying more control.

There is a line of thought that says the climate change religion has two main objectives. Make as much money as they can out of it and to take control of people and nations.

 

[Giuliano]

I don't know what slanted language means. Most of the time, my computer types upright letters.

It means bias or spin. The phrase "lamestream media" told me a lot more about you than it did about Scott Morrison's vacation. Your dismissal of the Guardian as a joke also didn't tell me a thing about his vacation but told me more about your biases. The Guardian? If I read conflicting reports from different news sources, sometimes I check to see if the Guardian has a story since I see it as usually very fair. What I see you doing is dismissing a publication that has stories you wish hadn't been written.

And one final question. What did he do when he did arrive home from his holiday. Virtually nothing apart from visiting fire-ravaged areas to give a bit of encouragement and support to those who have lost all and to face people brought in by the lamestream media to insult him and belittle him and who did not live in the fire-ravaged area.

Oh, I understood that point from the first. That didn't confuse me. He figured he could handle things as well from Hawaii and from his usual office. I agree if we're talking about giving directions to government workers.

So why did he apologize? He made a big mistake. He did not understand that part of is job is emotional. He's like a father figure to people; and what would you think of a parent who didn't visit a child in the hospital saying, "There's nothing I can help the doctors with." That told me Morrison is probably too intellectual in approach and doesn't understand the emotional connections. Most leaders do understand the emotions involved. He did not, and people felt betrayed.

Let me put things into perspective for you. The lamestream media would have loved to know where he was holidaying so they could follow him and take all sorts of photos with their own spin on them which invariably would be lies. I asked myself why he would go overseas for a holiday when Australia is replete with wonderful holiday spots.

The answer is very simple. Going overseas and keeping it secret is the only way he could guarantee having a holiday without the intrusion of the paparazzi. He was protecting his children which as a father he had every right to do and should do. When I lived in the UK, members of the Royal Family did their best to have holidays without intrusion, and when they went overseas, chances were that even then the paparazzi found them and intruded on their privacy.

Does that explain it? It is very probably the truth that he wanted to relax with his family and wanted them to be able to relax too. Why didn't his office say that and let things go at that? Why not tell the truth and say, "That's all we have to say about it." They didn't do that. They lied about it. I doubt that Morrison ordered anyone to lie, but they did lie. You avoided seeing that, instead you focused on attacking the news media who reported on it.

I doubt if Morrison is savvy enough to run the country. He also picked someone to be a spokesman for him who messed up by telling lies that could easily be shown to be untrue. If you're going to lie in politics, at least be clever enough not to tell stupid lies where it's easy to get caught. Why would Morrison pick someone like that -- someone who lied thinking he was helping Morrison out when really what he was doing was making things a lot worse?

It's obvious to me. You like Morrison and are ready to attack or dismiss any news stories that portray him in a non-flattering light. You see him in a certain way and want to believe he really is that way. Any accounts that show him differently have to be because of "lamestream media" bias in your mind.

A similar situation exists here in the USA. Trump supporters don't believe news stories unless they flatter Trump. They pick their news sources using their political leanings. Me? I want to hear both sides since I figure both sides might be slanting things. Both sides also tend to report stories that the other side ignores. I even check the Russian "news" site RT to see what they have to say. They often have stories American media don't; and while they sometimes have a spin to them, they also have some "real facts." I read a story yesterday about the Yellow Vest protests in France. The story had facts and videos (which I'm fairly sure weren't doctored) -- but I also think I know the reason they chose to report on it because I nearly always ask why a story is being reported of any news story I read. I found a story on Al-Jazeera about protests in Iran with hundreds of people demanding the Iranian President resign, chanting, "Death to liars." I think I know the reason Al-Jazeera ran that story.

I ignore appeals to my emotions. I ignore name-calling since that's also showing bias. I read your post and told myself not to expect it to be fair since you'd already shown me you had a bias.

 

[brakelite]

I think our biases though don't come out of thin air... Something has fed them and they grow as a result of whatever input happens to be given access. Hence entertainment. And whenever media ceases to be informative, it becomes entertainment... Fictional entertainment with a purpose.. And both extremes are guilty of this. In the current debate however on climate change, there is clearly a global initiative to create a particular bias in the minds of the public through several different avenues or 'inputs'... Social media, and yes, lamestream media. That input isn't directed at conservatives... They generally don't watch CNN or take too much notice of Facebook as sources of truth.
So left leaning folk have a created bias based on contrived information and that bias feeds the infallible dogma of man affected global warming and the stubborn refusal to listen to any counter narrative.
The extreme right on the other hand dont need input, their biases come about through natural indignation at being lied to, ignored, insulted, and maligned. The result of that is a denial of climate change altogether, and makes them sound stupid in the face of obvious experience and data.
And both extremes ignore the middle ground.

 

[quietthinker]

There is a line of thought that says the climate change religion has two main objectives. Make as much money as they can out of it and to take control of people and nations.

well, there you have mans primary M.O.

 

[marksman]

Just beat me to it. I have 11 grandchildren and number 12 is on the way. If I had known what fun they would be I would have had them first.

Number 12 has just arrived. Another girl. That makes ten of them.

 

[marksman]

It means bias or spin. The phrase "lamestream media" told me a lot more about you than it did about Scott Morrison's vacation. Your dismissal of the Guardian as a joke also didn't tell me a thing about his vacation but told me more about your biases. The Guardian? If I read conflicting reports from different news sources, sometimes I check to see if the Guardian has a story since I see it as usually very fair. What I see you doing is dismissing a publication that has stories you wish hadn't been written.
Oh, I understood that point from the first. That didn't confuse me. He figured he could handle things as well from Hawaii and from his usual office. I agree if we're talking about giving directions to government workers.

So why did he apologize? He made a big mistake. He did not understand that part of is job is emotional. He's like a father figure to people; and what would you think of a parent who didn't visit a child in the hospital saying, "There's nothing I can help the doctors with." That told me Morrison is probably too intellectual in approach and doesn't understand the emotional connections. Most leaders do understand the emotions involved. He did not, and people felt betrayed.
Does that explain it? It is very probably the truth that he wanted to relax with his family and wanted them to be able to relax too. Why didn't his office say that and let things go at that? Why not tell the truth and say, "That's all we have to say about it." They didn't do that. They lied about it. I doubt that Morrison ordered anyone to lie, but they did lie. You avoided seeing that, instead you focused on attacking the news media who reported on it.

I doubt if Morrison is savvy enough to run the country. He also picked someone to be a spokesman for him who messed up by telling lies that could easily be shown to be untrue. If you're going to lie in politics, at least be clever enough not to tell stupid lies where it's easy to get caught. Why would Morrison pick someone like that -- someone who lied thinking he was helping Morrison out when really what he was doing was making things a lot worse?

It's obvious to me. You like Morrison and are ready to attack or dismiss any news stories that portray him in a non-flattering light. You see him in a certain way and want to believe he really is that way. Any accounts that show him differently have to be because of "lamestream media" bias in your mind.

A similar situation exists here in the USA. Trump supporters don't believe news stories unless they flatter Trump. They pick their news sources using their political leanings. Me? I want to hear both sides since I figure both sides might be slanting things. Both sides also tend to report stories that the other side ignores. I even check the Russian "news" site RT to see what they have to say. They often have stories American media don't; and while they sometimes have a spin to them, they also have some "real facts." I read a story yesterday about the Yellow Vest protests in France. The story had facts and videos (which I'm fairly sure weren't doctored) -- but I also think I know the reason they chose to report on it because I nearly always ask why a story is being reported of any news story I read. I found a story on Al-Jazeera about protests in Iran with hundreds of people demanding the Iranian President resign, chanting, "Death to liars." I think I know the reason Al-Jazeera ran that story.

I ignore appeals to my emotions. I ignore name-calling since that's also showing bias. I read your post and told myself not to expect it to be fair since you'd already shown me you had a bias.

How do you get your cat to read? I wish I could get my cats to read then I could put a sign up that says "Do not litter on the floor. Always use the litter tray."

Thank you for your criticisms of my way of speaking. I am sure that made you feel good putting me in my place. I am so glad that I have my uses other than telling the truth.

Just a few comments ( I won't address all of your criticisms as I don't feel condemned at all).

The phrase "lamestream media" told me a lot more about you than it did about Scott Morrison's vacation.

Nothing original about that. it is a term that I got from a friend of mine who writes a blog every day and is invited to speak to all sorts of people and orgsanisations so I feel justified in using his language rather than be upset by your criticism. Apart from the fact that he has 7,000 books in his personal library so he is very well-read. And apart from the fact that lamestream media describes them very well which as you know is a take on mainstream media.

Your dismissal of the Guardian as a joke also didn't tell me a thing about his vacation but told me more about your biases.

We ALL have biases. I choose not to have a source that tries to rubbish my bias for the truth. As I read commentary from all sorts of sources, it does not take much to work out those that are afraid of the truth. I used to read about 10 newspapers a day until I ran out of time, and the Guardian was a standout...as a tool for the left-leaning elites who have no idea how the other half lives. As I am a member of the other half, I preferred to read material that wasn't telling me all the time how to live and what to do.

So why did he apologize? He made a big mistake. He did not understand that part of is job is emotional. He's like a father figure to people; and what would you think of a parent who didn't visit a child in the hospital saying, "There's nothing I can help the doctors with." That told me Morrison is probably too intellectual in approach and doesn't understand the emotional connections. Most leaders do understand the emotions involved. He did not, and people felt betrayed.

This shows what a clever man he is. This was a beat up by the lamestream media. I read other newspapers and journals and they did not say it was a mistake. He apologised to shut down the criticism of the lamestream media so he could talk about what mattered and it wasn't the fact that he went on holiday. And as you live in the USA I doubt if you know little or anything about Scott Morrison. I have been following his political career from day one so I guess I consider I know more about him than you do.

I doubt if Morrison is savvy enough to run the country. That is not what the voters thought. As Anthony Green, acknowledged as Australia's most experienced political commentator said: "The voters usually get it right."

You like Morrison and are ready to attack or dismiss any news stories that portray him in a non-flattering light. I am dismissive of anyone or anything that does not tell the truth regardless of who the subject is. You probably have not realised that the main battle in society today is a battle for the truth. The scripture forecasted that the truth would be called lies and lies called the truth. As we all know, tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. I am pleased that Morrison is PM because the alternative was an inveterate liar. I followed his claims every day and I have never seen so many lies.

Whilst I follow the American scene because I spent two months living there and I love the American people who are so generous of spirit, I do not know enough to comment on what you have said.

P.S. if you rely on the lamestream media for your information you will never know the truth. Here is an example for you. A photo of two fire trucks that collided that were shown in the lamestream media was from the 2015 bushfires. Truth anyone?