My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

[Waiting on him]

So you are just running your mouth then? Got it.

Look, I understand you wanting to be as mr Calvin was respected of men, in a position where you can destroy anyone who is in opposition to his theology, but if I wished to be as he was it would mean I’d have to get in a time machine travel 500 years into the past, take him by the hair of his chinny chin chin and kick his teeth out the back of his head and burn him at the stake, all slowly mind you.

Or I guess I could just parrot him?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

In his post he said God is not unfair, which is to suggest that what we see in Romans 9 is unfair. That is, in fact, telling God what is or is not fair. We did not come up with the position, God told us that is what He does so to suggest it is unfair is telling God He is unfair. And you seem to miss the fact that my rebuke of Willie was actually a paraphrase of Romans 9 that essentially says the same exact thing.

"No, that's just a Jewish dude complaining at God for saving Gentiles!"

 

[reformed1689]

Look, I understand you wanting to be as mr Calvin was respected of men, in a position where you can destroy anyone who is in opposition to his theology, but if I wished to be as he was it would mean I’d have to get in a time machine travel 500 years into the past, take him by the hair of his chinny chin chin and kick his teeth out the back of his head and burn him at the stake, all slowly mind you.

Or I guess I could just parrot him?

It is so telling of your ignorance that you think my beliefs come from Calvin.

 

[Waiting on him]

It is so telling of your ignorance that you think my beliefs come from Calvin.

Funny you speak of my ignorance, when all you have is what you’ve been taught of men,

 

[reformed1689]

Funny you speak of my ignorance, when all you have is what you’ve been taught of men,

No, my position comes straight from Scripture. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Renniks]

"No, that's just a Jewish dude complaining at God for saving Gentiles!"

There's a lot more to Romans 9 than the objector. But if you look at what the objector says and how Paul replies, you should be able to see that if calvinists are correct, they are right in line with what the objector says.
Because if y'all are right, he is 100% correct.
He can't be blamed for anything, because it was all God's will. In fact, none of us can be blamed for anything. In reformed theology, God does everything and we're just along for the ride.

 

[reformed1689]

There's a lot more to Romans 9 than the objector. But if you look at what the objector says and how Paul replies, you should be able to see that if calvinists are correct, they are right in line with what the objector says.
Because if y'all are right, he is 100% correct.
He can't be blamed for anything, because it was all God's will. In fact, none of us can be blamed for anything. In reformed theology, God does everything and we're just along for the ride.

OH brother! You really need to study.

 

[amadeus]

I'll say it again, since you must have missed it.... God is not unfair. He gave His own son so that every single person now born on this Earth since Christ died, could have eternal life with Him.

Who are you!? Who are you to tell God what is or is not fair? How arrogant!

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Acts 2:21

 

[amadeus]

There's a lot more to Romans 9 than the objector. But if you look at what the objector says and how Paul replies, you should be able to see that if calvinists are correct, they are right in line with what the objector says.
Because if y'all are right, he is 100% correct.
He can't be blamed for anything, because it was all God's will. In fact, none of us can be blamed for anything. In reformed theology, God does everything and we're just along for the ride.

OH brother! You really need to study.

You sound more like a school teacher than a minister of God!

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh" Ecc 12:12

How is one lifted up? Not... through study!

"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." Matt 23:12

 

[reformed1689]

You sound more like a school teacher than a minister of God!

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh" Ecc 12:12

How is one lifted up? Not... through study!

"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." Matt 23:12

And, as usual, all you have is out of context Scripture.

 

[Renniks]

OH brother! You really need to study.

I have. Extensively.

 

[reformed1689]

I have. Extensively.

Could have fooled me.

 

[amadeus]

And, as usual, all you have is out of context Scripture.

You may be correct as men often understand correct, but why should we be so concerned about what men think? When many people were leaving Him, Jesus asked of his closest followers:

"...Will ye also go away?" John 6:67

If they had left then He would stood alone rather than compromise. Neither should any of us compromise so as to keep people from coming against us.

 

[Renniks]

Could have fooled me.

Are insults all you have?
Is that how you treat your parishioners, too?

 

[reformed1689]

You may be correct as men often understand correct, but why should we be so concerned about what men think? When many people were leaving Him, Jesus asked of his closest followers:

"...Will ye also go away?" John 6:67

If they had left then He would stood alone rather than compromise. Neither should any of us compromise so as to keep people from coming against us.

I'm not concerned with what men think, I'm concerned with what the Scriptures say.

 

[reformed1689]

Are insults all you have?
Is that how you treat your parishioners, too?

First, I do not have parishioners. Second, if I did, it would be different. Why?

There is a difference with the way we interact with those we are ministering to and those who try to claim something different than what the Bible states as truth. Jesus had the same approach. He treated the people on the street differently than he did the Jewish leaders. If someone was asking questions and seeking to know more about Scripture I would be much softer with them. But the moment they try to project false teaching as truth that ends.

 

[Renniks]

There is a difference with the way we interact with those we are ministering to and those who try to claim something different than what the Bible states as truth. Jesus had the same approach. He treated the people on the street differently than he did the Jewish leaders. If someone was asking questions and seeking to know more about Scripture I would be much softer with them. But the moment they try to project false teaching as truth that ends.

In other words, it's your interpretation or nothing. It is exactly that attitude that drives people away from calvinist churches. I know because I've been there.
God forbid that anyone challenge the view of the doctrine Nazi.
Fortunately, I did my own study and found it wasn't scriptural after all.
But others just get driven away from the faith.
You will find that many of the ones who now strongly opposed Calvinism were Calvinist, or close to it, like I was before the red lights started flashing, and I started seeing the errors.

 

[reformed1689]

In other words, it's your interpretation or nothing. It is exactly that attitude that drives people away from calvinist churches. I know because I've been there.

On certain things, YES. And it should be that way. Why should we compromise the truth of Scripture on the things that are plainly evident? Now there are some things I am not so dogmatic on. But on the major doctrines, yes. No compromising. You would have to show me from Scripture that I am in error. For the record, I have not always been Calvinist. But I was shown my error from the Scripture.

Fortunately, I did my own study and found it wasn't scriptural after all.

Except you have shown you have done superficial study and you easily confuse concepts.

You will find that many of the ones who now strongly opposed Calvinism were Calvinist, or close to it, like I was before the red lights started flashing, and I started seeing the errors.

Based on what you have argued I doubt you were ever Calvinist or even understood the doctrine.

 

[Renniks]

On certain things, YES.

Like the Virgin birth and Jesus' death and literal Resurrection, but not on non-essentials, like calvinism vs arminianism.

 

[Renniks]

Except you have shown you have done superficial study and you easily confuse concepts.

"
You can’t get on with the rest of your life if you are forever taking your spectacles off and inspecting them; indeed, one of the problems with spectacles is that if you break them you may not be able to see properly in order to mend them yourself. So it is with worldviews: when you are questioned about some or all of your worldview, and you have (as it were) to take it off and look at it in order to see what’s going on, you may not be able to examine it very closely because it is itself the thing through which you normally examine everything else. The resulting sense of disorientation can be distressing. It can lead to radical change. It shakes the very foundation of persons and societies. Sometimes, it seems, it can turn persecutors into apostles …"
(NT Wright)

And no I don't agree with Wright on everything... But he will make you think.