The "like manner" of Acts 1:9-11

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

KJV- Rev. 4
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

NWT- Rev. 4
8. As for the four living creatures, each one of them had six wings; they were full of eyes all around and underneath.o And continuously, day and night, they say: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah*p God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming.”
> What else do the four beasts/living creatures perform?
Ans. Nothing else.
Is that something that you see yourself doing, or would you agree that it is better to leave it with the angels to do?

If you or anyone else wants to take scriptures from any part of the Bible to try to convince me that God doesn't love all intelligent beings that he brought into existence go ahead. I know for certain that before that Angel that became Satan actually became Satan and a devil, God loved him. Now when he sinned as he did then yes he was condemned to be destroyed out of existence one day. You have to understand though that God didn't forgive Adam or Eve either. He let them multiply so mankind would not pass out of existence but when Adam and Eve died God will not resurrect them. God made a way for us, Adam and Eve offspring, to be saved with the promise seed, but that promise didn't and doesn't extend to Adam and Eve, but before they sinned God loved them. Adam and Eve had no excuse whatsoever for eating that forbidden fruit. They both ate the fruit simply because they didn't love God as they should.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus never claimed to be God he always said he was the Son of God or God's Son and because he said things like this the Pharisees were saying he was making himself equal to God and were going to stone him, but Jesus only said he was the Son of God.

In claiming to be the Son of God, He was also claiming, in Isaiah 9:6, that His name shall be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God (for the latter, see Psalms 50:1 (kjv))

Psa 50:1, [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] The mighty God, even the LORD (i.e. Jehovah), hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

The Pharisees believed Jesus was saying that he was God yes,

Because they weren't stupid: they understood what Jesus was in fact saying.

but the Pharisees were saying a lot of things about Jesus that wasn't true, they even said that he was breaking the Sabbath too but that wasn't true either.

Actually, that is true. It is John's estimation under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost that Jesus broke the sabbath in John 5:18.

If you consider that in Exodus 20:10 the law of the sabbath is that you shall not do any work on it but that Jesus said, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work, in John 5:17; you will understand that Jesus did indeed break the sabbath; but that nevertheless in this He did not sin because 1) He is the Lord of the sabbath; and, 2) He has the power of an endless life; and 3) The priesthood being changed there was made of necessity also a change of the law.

Also when writing John 8:58, the apostle was not quoting from the Greek Septuagint Version, a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made by Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, Egypt, before the birth of Christ. Let anyone who reads Greek compare John 8:58 in Greek and Exodus 3:14 in the Greek Septuagint, and he will find that the Septuagint reading of Exodus 3:14 does not use the expression Egó eimí for God’s name, when God says to Moses: “I AM hath sent me unto you.” The Greek Septuagint uses the expression ho Ōn, which means “The Being,” or, “The One who is.” This fact is clearly presented to us in Bagster’s translation of the Greek Septuagint, at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING [ho Ōn]; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING [ho Ōn] has sent me to you.” According to Charles Thomson’s translation of the Greek Septuagint, Exodus 3:14 reads: “God spoke to Moses saying, I am The I Am [ho Ōn]. Moreover he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, The I Am [ho Ōn] hath sent me to you.”* Thus this comparison of the two Greek texts, that of the Septuagint and that of John 8:58, removes all basis for trinitarians to argue that Jesus, in John 8:58, was trying to fit Exodus 3:14 to himself, as if he was Jehovah God.

So God is misleading us in the English language?

One of my contentions with those who hold that we must look to the original Greek and Hebrew to find the unadulterated truth is that this provides for a cult mentality in which Hebrew and Greek scholars can tell anyone anything and those who do not know the languages or who do not have access to the language manuscripts have to take their word for it. Thus they can say that the Bible teaches just about anything and it must be accepted on blind faith.

And also, it makes for the concept that the educated scribes and Pharisees (Hebrew and Greek scholars) have an advantage over the common people (those who read their Bibles today in English). Nevertheless when Jesus came, it was the common people who received Him gladly while the educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Him.

I know the Pharisees and Scribes were Jesus enemies and were constantly believing something he didn't say or do, but it's them you believe not Jesus. That's very interesting isn't it.

I do believe that they understood Jesus correctly in understanding that He was claiming to be the Lord God. And therefore it is Jesus who I am in fact believing; because I also understand Him correctly to be claiming that He is God in those verses.

You have to understand though that God didn't forgive Adam or Eve either. He let them multiply so mankind would not pass out of existence but when Adam and Eve died God will not resurrect them.

You might be surprised on the day of judgment to see Adam and Eve being accepted into the kingdom and you yourself thrust into hell.

God gave to Adam and Eve a promise in Genesis 3:15; and if they believed in that promise by faith, it is very likely that we will find that they are among the redeemed on that day.

 

[Earburner]

I understand you truly believe the things you say are true and scriptural. However take what you said concerning the Pharisees and Scribes. Regarding the Pharisees as a class or organization Jesus let's us know their organization or class belonged to Satan, that they were Satan disciples or that Satan was their Father. This is the class of people or organization you listen to. Jesus never claimed to be God he always said he was the Son of God or God's Son and because he said things like this the Pharisees were saying he was making himself equal to God and were going to stone him, but Jesus only said he was the Son of God. The Pharisees believed Jesus was saying that he was God yes, but the Pharisees were saying a lot of things about Jesus that wasn't true, they even said that he was breaking the Sabbath too but that wasn't true either. I find it very interesting that the people Jesus said was Satan disciples are the ones you listen to and believe.

Also when writing John 8:58, the apostle was not quoting from the Greek Septuagint Version, a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made by Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, Egypt, before the birth of Christ. Let anyone who reads Greek compare John 8:58 in Greek and Exodus 3:14 in the Greek Septuagint, and he will find that the Septuagint reading of Exodus 3:14 does not use the expression Egó eimí for God’s name, when God says to Moses: “I AM hath sent me unto you.” The Greek Septuagint uses the expression ho Ōn, which means “The Being,” or, “The One who is.” This fact is clearly presented to us in Bagster’s translation of the Greek Septuagint, at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING [ho Ōn]; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING [ho Ōn] has sent me to you.” According to Charles Thomson’s translation of the Greek Septuagint, Exodus 3:14 reads: “God spoke to Moses saying, I am The I Am [ho Ōn]. Moreover he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, The I Am [ho Ōn] hath sent me to you.”* Thus this comparison of the two Greek texts, that of the Septuagint and that of John 8:58, removes all basis for trinitarians to argue that Jesus, in John 8:58, was trying to fit Exodus 3:14 to himself, as if he was Jehovah God.

For you to say that I will find a way to explain away things, well if you're saying I won't be brainwashed into believing a lie when I can see for myself that you believe what Jesus enemies said was true therefore not believing Jesus, then yeah go ahead and believe I'm explaining away things. I know the Pharisees and Scribes were Jesus enemies and were constantly believing something he didn't say or do, but it's them you believe not Jesus. That's very interesting isn't it. I know you will try your best to explain away that truthful fact but the scriptures are not changing for you. Jesus said the Pharisees were Satan disciples and they are. So you go ahead and believe Jesus enemies I won't be brainwashed into taking Jesus enemies side like you.

Evidently the Pharisees were very concerned! Jesus was claiming alot of "I am" characteristics of God the Father:
John 6[48] I am that bread of life.
John 8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10[9] I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10[11] I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11[25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and [I am] the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[Earburner]

If you or anyone else wants to take scriptures from any part of the Bible to try to convince me that God doesn't love all intelligent beings that he brought into existence go ahead. I know for certain that before that Angel that became Satan actually became Satan and a devil, God loved him. Now when he sinned as he did then yes he was condemned to be destroyed out of existence one day. You have to understand though that God didn't forgive Adam or Eve either. He let them multiply so mankind would not pass out of existence but when Adam and Eve died God will not resurrect them. God made a way for us, Adam and Eve offspring, to be saved with the promise seed, but that promise didn't and doesn't extend to Adam and Eve, but before they sinned God loved them. Adam and Eve had no excuse whatsoever for eating that forbidden fruit. They both ate the fruit simply because they didn't love God as they should.

You need to understand that, even though the damage was done for every person generated through Adam, God did not leave Adam and Eve without His Grace, that they could not repent and be saved for eternity through faith.

It is apparent that even then, that God provided the sacrifice for them, which points to the ultimate Sacrifice He provided, in the shedding of His Own Son's blood for everyone, even Adam and Eve.
John 1:29 John 3:16

Therefore, through the death of an animal for their clothing, blood was shed for Adam and Eve's sin. Genesis 3:21
Hebrews 9[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The act of an altar sacrifice of animal blood, was practiced through faith, as shown in the offering of Abel. Cain however, chose his on system for an offering to God, which was rejected because there was no blood shed in his offering. Genesis 4:1-7.
For them to know of god's requirement of a blood sacrifice offering, is most surely evident that the practice was handed down to them by Adam and Eve.

 

[Earburner]

^ Heb. 2[9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

In claiming to be the Son of God, He was also claiming, in Isaiah 9:6, that His name shall be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God (for the latter, see Psalms 50:1 (kjv))

Psa 50:1, [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] The mighty God, even the LORD (i.e. Jehovah), hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.



Because they weren't stupid: they understood what Jesus was in fact saying.



Actually, that is true. It is John's estimation under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost that Jesus broke the sabbath in John 5:18.

If you consider that in Exodus 20:10 the law of the sabbath is that you shall not do any work on it but that Jesus said, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work, in John 5:17; you will understand that Jesus did indeed break the sabbath; but that nevertheless in this He did not sin because 1) He is the Lord of the sabbath; and, 2) He has the power of an endless life; and 3) The priesthood being changed there was made of necessity also a change of the law.



So God is misleading us in the English language?

One of my contentions with those who hold that we must look to the original Greek and Hebrew to find the unadulterated truth is that this provides for a cult mentality in which Hebrew and Greek scholars can tell anyone anything and those who do not know the languages or who do not have access to the language manuscripts have to take their word for it. Thus they can say that the Bible teaches just about anything and it must be accepted on blind faith.

And also, it makes for the concept that the educated scribes and Pharisees (Hebrew and Greek scholars) have an advantage over the common people (those who read their Bibles today in English). Nevertheless when Jesus came, it was the common people who received Him gladly while the educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Him.



I do believe that they understood Jesus correctly in understanding that He was claiming to be the Lord God. And therefore it is Jesus who I am in fact believing; because I also understand Him correctly to be claiming that He is God in those verses.



You might be surprised on the day of judgment to see Adam and Eve being accepted into the kingdom and you yourself thrust into hell.

God gave to Adam and Eve a promise in Genesis 3:15; and if they believed in that promise by faith, it is very likely that we will find that they are among the redeemed on that day.

No it's religious organizations like Christendom that's misleading people. For instance the organization called Pharisees which Jesus said was a organization that belonged to Satan is the people you believe in. The fact that you agree with the Pharisees that Jesus was guilty of something shows you believed Jesus to have broken law and therefore has sinned against God. Eveytime I read your texts and people like you, you all prove every single time that you are not putting yourself on The True God side because you believe his Only Begotten Son has broken some law against God. You and those who agree with you will always be condemning God himself because of the way you believe. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath, God when he gave that law never intended it to be used in any way that you couldn't do good, like healing somebody or any other good deed on the Sabbath. The fact you believe the Pharisees were right in their accusations against Jesus shows your heart is just as incompassionate and unmmerciful as theirs. You continue to believe those who are like the Pharisees, all you will show The True God is that you are his enemy because you show that you're an enemy of his Only Begotten Son.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Evidently the Pharisees were very concerned! Jesus was claiming alot of "I am" characteristics of God the Father:
John 6[48] I am that bread of life.
John 8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10[9] I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10[11] I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11[25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and [I am] the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

What the scriptures show us and the point you continue missing is that in Scripture Jesus shows us as a class or organization the Pharisees were Satan disciples. Jesus came right out and told them that Satan was their father and these are the people you believe, not Jesus but his enemies, interesting.

 

[justbyfaith]

because you believe his Only Begotten Son has broken some law against God. You and those who agree with you will always be condemning God himself because of the way you believe. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath, God when he gave that law never intended it to be used in any way that you couldn't do good, like healing somebody or any other good deed on the Sabbath.

The point that I made was that the scripture is clear that Jesus broke the sabbath; as much as that twinges your emotions to hate the truth of the matter.

Jesus did not sin in breaking the sabbath, however; because 1) He is the Lord of the sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28); 2) He did not come after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16); and, 3) With the change of priesthood there was also a change of law (Hebrews 2:12).

You can choose to reject this if you like; I am not preaching only to you. But it is the truth that I am preaching.

The fact you believe the Pharisees were right in their accusations against Jesus shows your heart is just...

Thank you. That is indeed the statement that I have given with my moniker here at these boards.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You need to understand that, even though the damage was done for every person generated through Adam, God did not leave Adam and Eve without His Grace, that they could not repent and be saved for eternity through faith.

It is apparent that even then, that God provided the sacrifice for them, which points to the ultimate Sacrifice He provided, in the shedding of His Own Son's blood for everyone, even Adam and Eve.
John 1:29 John 3:16

Therefore, through the death of an animal for their clothing, blood was shed for Adam and Eve's sin. Genesis 3:21
Hebrews 9[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The act of an altar sacrifice of animal blood, was practiced through faith, as shown in the offering of Abel. Cain however, chose his on system for an offering to God, which was rejected because there was no blood shed in his offering. Genesis 4:1-7.
For them to know of god's requirement of a blood sacrifice offering, is most surely evident that the practice was handed down to them by Adam and Eve.

Did you not even read those scriptures when God was dealing with Adam and Eve after they sinned. Neither one was repenting of what they did they were just trying to make excuses, but they had no legitimate excuse for what they did. Adam if you you listen to the answer he gave God when God asked him if he had eaten of the forbidden fruit basically tried to blame God. Eve basically blamed the serpent as though it wasn't made clear to her the command to not eat the forbidden fruit would bring death. She believed the serpent when the serpent said God was lying about that and that God was not ruling in the best interests of Adam and Eve, and Eve agreed.

 

[justbyfaith]

Did you not even read those scriptures when God was dealing with Adam and Eve after they sinned. Neither one was repenting of what they did they were just trying to make excuses, but they had no legitimate excuse for what they did. Adam if you you listen to the answer he gave God when God asked him if he had eaten of the forbidden fruit basically tried to blame God. Eve basically blamed the serpent as though it wasn't made clear to her the command to not eat the forbidden fruit would bring death. She believed the serpent when the serpent said God was lying about that and that God was not ruling in the best interests of Adam and Eve, and Eve agreed.

There was still plenty of time in their lives for them to repent later on.

You really should read Luke 6:37.

 

[Earburner]

What the scriptures show us and the point you continue missing is that in Scripture Jesus shows us as a class or organization the Pharisees were Satan disciples. Jesus came right out and told them that Satan was their father and these are the people you believe, not Jesus but his enemies, interesting.

I don't think you understand! Every person who was/is NOT born again of/by His Holy Spirit SINCE Pentecost, was/is a child of the devil by default.
IOWS, prior to Pentecost, Peter and the Pharisees were on equal ground! Neither had the Holy Spirit.

When satan spoke through Peter, that was because Christ had NOT YET taken up residence within him.
There was nothing IN Peter to keep "the strongman", (satan) out!!

All of the disciples, before Pentecost, DID NOT HAVE the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit!!
The Pharisees were only "Religionists" without the Spirit of God!!

But Jesus also knew that.
Because of their "self righteousness", through their obsession with Law keeping, they never saw/perceived their need for repentance towards God, and therefore would not believe or recieve Him, until they heard Him calling, as did the Apostle Paul.

 

[Earburner]

Did you not even read those scriptures when God was dealing with Adam and Eve after they sinned. Neither one was repenting of what they did they were just trying to make excuses, but they had no legitimate excuse for what they did. Adam if you you listen to the answer he gave God when God asked him if he had eaten of the forbidden fruit basically tried to blame God. Eve basically blamed the serpent as though it wasn't made clear to her the command to not eat the forbidden fruit would bring death. She believed the serpent when the serpent said God was lying about that and that God was not ruling in the best interests of Adam and Eve, and Eve agreed.

Prior to their disobedience, Adam and Eve did not have Eternal life, nor were they evil or good. One cannot be good or evil, if they don't have the "knowledge of good and evil".
IOWs, they were created innocent, and without Eternal life.

 

[Earburner]

Did you not even read those scriptures when God was dealing with Adam and Eve after they sinned. Neither one was repenting of what they did they were just trying to make excuses, but they had no legitimate excuse for what they did. Adam if you you listen to the answer he gave God when God asked him if he had eaten of the forbidden fruit basically tried to blame God. Eve basically blamed the serpent as though it wasn't made clear to her the command to not eat the forbidden fruit would bring death. She believed the serpent when the serpent said God was lying about that and that God was not ruling in the best interests of Adam and Eve, and Eve agreed.

Hebrews 2:9- Jesus tasted death for EVERY man, including Adam!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I don't think you understand! Every person who was/is NOT born again of/by His Holy Spirit SINCE Pentecost, was/is a child of the devil by default.
IOWS, prior to Pentecost, Peter and the Pharisees were on equal ground! Neither had the Holy Spirit.

When satan spoke through Peter, that was because Christ had NOT YET taken up residence within him.
There was nothing IN Peter to keep "the strongman", (satan) out!!

All of the disciples, before Pentecost, DID NOT HAVE the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit!!
The Pharisees were only "Religionists" without the Spirit of God!!

But Jesus also knew that.
Because of their "self righteousness", through their obsession with Law keeping, they never saw/perceived their need for repentance towards God, and therefore would not believe or recieve Him, until they heard Him calling, as did the Apostle Paul.

No you don't understand. You keep going by your opinion I'm using Scripture to show that Jesus was saying right out that the Pharisees were disciples of Satan, Jesus never comes right out and says anything like that concerning his Apostles or disciples or the common Jews for that matter, but he did in Scripture state that about the Pharisees. These are the people you side with, Satan disciples.
Plus anyone who has truly read the Bible knows that the breaking of any law is sin and so by you and others saying Jesus broke law then you are saying Jesus wasn't sinless as the scriptures tell us and you're also calling The God and Father of Jesus a liar, interesting.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Prior to their disobedience, Adam and Eve did not have Eternal life, nor were they evil or good. One cannot be good or evil, if they don't have the "knowledge of good and evil".
IOWs, they were created innocent, and without Eternal life.

The scriptures show that as long as Adam and Eve refrained from eating the forbidden fruit they wouldn't die, and they knew the difference between good and bad. They clearly understood that it would be wrong or bad if they ate the forbidden fruit and good if they refrained from eating the forbidden fruit, otherwise how could they possibly understand what God was commanding and God makes his commands clear.

 

[justbyfaith]

so by you and others saying Jesus broke law then you are saying Jesus wasn't sinless as the scriptures tell us

Jesus didn't sin in violating the letter of the sabbath, because:

1) Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28)
2) He came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16)
3) With the change in priesthood (Jesus being High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec) there is of necessity a change also of the law (Hebrews 7:12 and context).

Also, the Lord set us an example for what would be the definition of obedience in His church; in that He was not condemned by the letter of the law but was rather obedient to the spirit of it (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Receive or reject it as you please; I am not preaching only to you, @BARNEY BRIGHT.

The scriptures show that as long as Adam and Eve refrained from eating the forbidden fruit they wouldn't die, and they knew the difference between good and bad. They clearly understood that it would be wrong or bad if they ate the forbidden fruit and good if they refrained from eating the forbidden fruit, otherwise how could they possibly understand what God was commanding and God makes his commands clear.

The death that they would die from eating the forbidden fruit would be spiritual death, separation of their spirit from God's Spirit.

Before they ate of the forbidden fruit, the tree of life was in the garden. Only by partaking of that tree would they be able to obtain eternal life; and when they ate of the forbidden fruit, they had not yet eaten of the tree of life.

 

[Earburner]

No you don't understand. You keep going by your opinion I'm using Scripture to show that Jesus was saying right out that the Pharisees were disciples of Satan, Jesus never comes right out and says anything like that concerning his Apostles or disciples or the common Jews for that matter, but he did in Scripture state that about the Pharisees. These are the people you side with, Satan disciples.
Plus anyone who has truly read the Bible knows that the breaking of any law is sin and so by you and others saying Jesus broke law then you are saying Jesus wasn't sinless as the scriptures tell us and you're also calling The God and Father of Jesus a liar, interesting.

Do try to hear KJV John 3:18.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

To be "condemned already", simply means that such a person does NOT HAVE God's Holy Spirit, and therefore "is none of His". Romans 8:9.
By Adam's sin, WE ALL who are physically born are "condemned already" We inherited death, the judgment of God upon Adam.

Jesus however, is God's judgment for the Gift of Eternal Life through faith in Him. Jesus Himself is God's judgment for Eternal Life. Therefore, for one to reject or neglect Him, is to REMAIN in the state of being "condemned already", which was God's first judgment upon us all, through Adam.
"Marvel not that I send unto thee, ye must be born again." John 3:7

 

[Earburner]

The scriptures show that as long as Adam and Eve refrained from eating the forbidden fruit they wouldn't die, and they knew the difference between good and bad. They clearly understood that it would be wrong or bad if they ate the forbidden fruit and good if they refrained from eating the forbidden fruit, otherwise how could they possibly understand what God was commanding and God makes his commands clear.

Please select the correct answer in the following-
If one does NOT HAVE knowledge about good or evil, they are:
1. Good.
2. Innocent.
3. Evil

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Jesus didn't sin in violating the letter of the sabbath, because:

1) Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28)
2) He came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16)
3) With the change in priesthood (Jesus being High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec) there is of necessity a change also of the law (Hebrews 7:12 and context).

Also, the Lord set us an example for what would be the definition of obedience in His church; in that He was not condemned by the letter of the law but was rather obedient to the spirit of it (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Receive or reject it as you please; I am not preaching only to you, @BARNEY BRIGHT.



The death that they would die from eating the forbidden fruit would be spiritual death, separation of their spirit from God's Spirit.

Before they ate of the forbidden fruit, the tree of life was in the garden. Only by partaking of that tree would they be able to obtain eternal life; and when they ate of the forbidden fruit, they had not yet eaten of the tree of life.

The fact is the perfect Son of God obeyed all of God’s laws, never violating even one Divine precept (Hebrews 4:15). Sin is defined as violation of God’s law (1 John 3:4). Since Jesus was sinless, He never broke God’s laws. Hence, He could not have broken the Sabbath. Those who leveled such an accusation against Him were, in fact, mistaken.

Take, for example, the incident in John 5, when Jesus caused a man, who suffered from a 38-year-old ailment, to rise from his bed of confinement and walk. The fact that Jesus’ action took place on the Sabbath drew the criticism of the Jews who promptly informed the man, “It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed” (vs. 10). Many would suppose that Jesus would not be concerned with careful conformity to the Law. They would assume that He would chide the Jews for their “nit-picky, legalistic” approach to religion, and that He would be quite willing to dismiss the requirements of the Law in order to give priority to human need in the name of compassion. But this viewpoint is fraught with error, not the least of which is its demeaning assessment of law—law which God, Himself, authored. Law, according to God, is given for human well-being (Deuteronomy 6:24; 10:13; Proverbs 29:18). God’s law is “holy and just and good” (Romans 7:12), and serves divinely intended, positive purposes (e.g., Romans 3:20). Indeed, Jesus’ handling of His critics illustrates the high regard He had for law, the necessity of carefully conforming to that law, and the critical importance of applying it accurately.

In John 7, calling attention to the miracle He performed in chapter 5, Jesus offered a logical rebuttal to the allegation that He violated the Sabbath. Here is what Jesus basically said:

If the Law of Moses requires the circumcision of a male infant on the 8th day after birth—even when the 8th day falls on the Sabbath—then healing a man on the Sabbath is equally legal.

The Law of Moses requires the circumcision of a male infant on the 8th day after birth—even when the 8th day fell on the Sabbath.
Therefore, healing a man on the Sabbath is equally legal. The point is the scriptures are based on love, love of God first and foremost, then love of neighbor. So anyone saying Jesus broke law to show love is mistaken. The law has always included love when one is obeying law. So the Pharisees were wrong in accusing Jesus of breaking any law when all Jesus was doing was showing love to a neighbor on the sabbath. so just as the Pharisees were wrong in accusing Jesus of breaking the Sabbath anyone who agrees with the Pharisees that Jesus broke the Sabbath is also mistaken.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Thank you.That is indeed the statement that I have given with my moniker here at these boards.

Justbyfaith made the statement above in response to only part of something I said, to make it appear that he and I agreed with something I said. What I said was:

[The fact you believe the Pharisees were right in their accusations against Jesus shows your heart is just as incompassionate and unmerciful as theirs.]

But the Only part justbyfaith quoted is:
[ the fact you believe the Pharisees were right in their accusations against Jesus shows your heart is just] He is deceiving people into believing I said something that I didn't. The fact he will misquote me like that shows me exactly who he is, how he will lie to people and deceive people.