Hum ! I guess OSAS must not get a judgment day, since they are all set in for life.
Is this true ?
Just thinking after reading Post above #20
Is this true ?
Just thinking after reading Post above #20
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Romans 8:9 means nothing??Wow! Words can't express how utterly deficient and incompetent your exegesis is. You bring one verse to make your point (Romans 8:9 proves nothing)? And that one verse (John 3:18), you take completely out of context (God knows who are his, immediately and from the beginning of time)?
Were you joking?
1 Corinthians 4:5
5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
Acts 17:31
31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Ecclesiastes 12:14
14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
Hebrews 9:27
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
John 12:48
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Matthew 12:36
36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.
Matthew 24:36
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.
Psalm 96:13
13 Let all creation rejoice before the LORD, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his faithfulness.
Romans 2:16
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small,
standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Think this:Hum ! I guess OSAS must not get a judgment day, since they are all set in for life.
Is this true ?
Just thinking after reading Post above #20
When is judgment day to determine where we go ?
Is it everyday when someone dies ?
Are we placed in purgatory or some spirit world waiting for a one day judgment day finality ?
If partially judged:
Are the souls in hell and heaven going to be judged again at the great white throne ?1 Peter 4:17 Judgment must begin in the house of God ? then what ?
Judged before we die ?
Can you be eternally judged before you die ?
Like blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Judged right then and it become the final judgment.
Will all those in hell be judged again to go into the Lake of Fire ? if so what's the purpose ?
Your thoughts
How does it work ?
Romans 8:9 has nothing to do with the point that you're trying to make i.e. no reserved and future Judgement day.Romans 8:9 means nothing??
Though you may have His words a hundred times before, it is evident that you do not believe or trust Him!
Here is the criteria for God's judgment in righteousness TO ALL PEOPLE John 3[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So what will you do with the longsuffering of God, who is willing that NO MAN should perish, but that ALL SHOULD COME to repentance [towards Him through Jesus]? 2 Peter 3:9.
1. When you came to God in repentance through Jesus, and believed in Jesus as your only Savior,1. Judgement Day, the day that determines where we go (heaven or hell), is a one time event, in the end time, at the culmination of all things.
No one knows the date, but, it has not happened yet, in part, or whole.
2. There is no purgatory, and no one is in heaven or paradise at the moment.
3. Not until Christ returns, will the end times begin, and I'm not sure at this point, if there is a pre-millenial judgement for those who are in Christ at his coming, and then another, after the millenium?
Eschatology is not my forté, it may be someone else's on the site.
Are you still looking for a future judgment??Romans 8:9 has nothing to do with the point that you're trying to make i.e. no reserved and future Judgement day.
You make no remark of the verses that I showed you? ...wow!
Every single point that you made denotes one thing, what qualifies a believer, ...Judgement Day will prove who the qualifiers really are.
Not all who confess Christ on the outside will be saved. Judgement Day will reveal the hearts of many.
Out of your own mouth, WOW!
Undetermined EB, I am in a state of undetermined. If I remain steadfast in my faith until my death, or Christ comes back, then I am saved, and will be judged on Judgement Day, accordingly.1. When you came to God in repentance through Jesus, and believed in Jesus as your only Savior, which condition is your relationship now with the Father?
No one is in paradise until Judgement Day. Even Jesus was not in paradise 'that day' as he told the thief. He was in the grave for 3 days, and walked on earth for another 40. You misunderstood the passage, he's saying that the thief's faith will get him into heaven over the Pharisees pseudo righteousness. Jesus was referring to faith over works. Don't buy into man imposed punctuation (comma comes after 'today').2. I agree that there is no purgatory, but as for a paradise, you will have to talk to Jesus and the thief on the cross about that! I believe there is!
I am talking about a literal 1,000 years, where Jesus will reign on earth, and then there will be a final rebellion of those of the anti-christ. Both will be on earth simultaneously. After the final rebellion, comes the Great White Throne Judgment. And then, the Kingdom of God will be inaugurated with the New Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]What "Millennium" ??
Are you talking about the unspecified length of time, concerning the Age of God's Grace now?
Or are you talking about that fabricated work of fiction, by religion, whereby the UNglorified UNsaved will coexist with the Glorified Saved for a literal 1000 years.
Apparently you haven't studied that dreamed up scenario long enough!!
Think! How can the UNsaved be in the KoG on earth??
Isn't it so that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG"??
Whats wrong with that picture?
Will you knock of the nonsense. We are in a trial period here on earth. There are charlatans, anti-christs, seeds thrown among the rocks, shallow soil, weeds & fertile land. There are those who confess Christ, and yet, God does not know them. And so on...Are you still looking for a future judgment??
And just exactly what makes a believer "a qualifier" for Eternal Life NOW (John 3:18, 1 John 5:13, Romans 8:9)?
The Resurrection of all, who have faith in Jesus, will be the proof of who is who.
Don't you know that they who do NOT have the Holy Spirit of God ARE none of His, and therefore CANNOT be resurrected...Ever!!
They don't have eternal existence of any kind whatsoever.
Because they rejected and/or neglected their opportunity of salvation through Christ, in their lifetime, they are NOT remembered by God and shall remain as "condemned already", as having perished!!
Firstly, purgatory is not in the Scripture.When is judgment day to determine where we go ?
Is it everyday when someone dies ?
Are we placed in purgatory or some spirit world waiting for a one day judgment day finality ?
If partially judged:
Are the souls in hell and heaven going to be judged again at the great white throne ?1 Peter 4:17 Judgment must begin in the house of God ? then what ?
Judged before we die ?
Can you be eternally judged before you die ?
Like blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Judged right then and it become the final judgment.
Will all those in hell be judged again to go into the Lake of Fire ? if so what's the purpose ?
Your thoughts
How does it work ?
When is judgment day to determine where we go ?
1. Is it everyday when someone dies ?
2. Are we placed in purgatory or some spirit world waiting for a one day judgment day finality ?If partially judged:
Are the souls in hell and heaven going to be judged again at the great white throne ?1 Peter 4:17 Judgment must begin in the house of God ? then what ? Judged before we die ?
3. Can you be eternally judged before you die ?Like blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Judged right then and it become the final judgment.4. Will all those in hell be judged again to go into the Lake of Fire ? if so what's the purpose ?
Your thoughts5. How does it work ?
When is judgment day to determine where we go ?
Is it everyday when someone dies ?
Are we placed in purgatory or some spirit world waiting for a one day judgment day finality ?
If partially judged:
Are the souls in hell and heaven going to be judged again at the great white throne ?1 Peter 4:17 Judgment must begin in the house of God ? then what ?
Judged before we die ?
Can you be eternally judged before you die ?
Like blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Judged right then and it become the final judgment.
Will all those in hell be judged again to go into the Lake of Fire ? if so what's the purpose ?
Your thoughts
How does it work ?
If I am reading you right ?Firstly, purgatory is not in the Scripture.
There are no souls in heaven or hell. All who have died are dead (asleep) All await a resurrection ...either the first or the second. The only exception are those who God has translated like Enoch and Elijah as well as some others.
Judgement is happening now for all who have ever taken on the name of God in Earth's history. 1 Peter 4:17. It has started with those who have died all the way back to Adam and soon will pass to the living. Revelation 14:7
Jesus is in the final stage of his ministry in heaven. When it ends every case will have been decided and his return imminent.
Those who have never taken on the name of God in truth and principle have judged themselves as unworthy. Their lot will be the second resurrection to witness the verdict of unworthiness and therefore condemnation before they are destroyed in the cleansing fires of earth. 2 Peter 3:7 & vs 10-11
The first death which is the one we are all subject to the scripture calls a sleep. John 11:11-14
'Death' as God warned Adam (you shall surely die) and as referred to in its context is the cessation of life forever. The scripture calls this the second death. Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8
If you want clarification on any of this, please ask.
Your current state of faith in His salvation for you is undetermined by God??Undetermined EB, I am in a state of undetermined. If I remain steadfast in my faith until my death, or Christ comes back, then I am saved, and will be judged on Judgement Day, accordingly.
That's how it works.
There was judgment day that did happen in different times in the past
The Flood - only eight were saved
Sodom and Gomorrah
Jerusalem - how many times ? more to come ?
future:
Coming judgment on the Beast Kingdom
2nd resurrection group
Kingdom saints judged before caught up to meet him in the air.
So here a question ????
When ever God's wrath destroy someone at any given time, are they eternally judged forever then ?
1. In regards to ALL who have died in faith believing in the Messiah/Christ to come, who then did come, those saints were GIVEN the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, and remain in waiting for their redemption, as are all of us, since His Ascension.1. There are no souls in heaven or hell. All who have died are dead (asleep) All await a resurrection ...either the first or the second.
2. The only exception are those who God has translated like Enoch and Elijah as well as some others.
WOW! Are you wrong!
But I suppose that is what one gets for eating all their "religious pablum".
John 3:18 and Romans 8:9. Please digest it, and know that anyone who DOES NOT have His Holy Spirit, CANNOT be resurrected ever!!
There is NO literal WTJ.
WHY?
The JUDGMENT FOR the Gift of Eternal Life has already come- again John 3:18.
Whoever does not participate in it, through belief in Christ, shall remain condemned already!
If I am reading you right ?
Two different groups as of now that had died - just and unjust are waiting for their rewards.
So where are they now ?
The unjust are partially judged until final resurrection right ? because someone determined already where they are going
Curious about the lake of fire
and the earth being cleansed with fire.
You don't see a literal fire on top of this mud ball Earth do ya ?
Isn't there some place called the kingdom of God reigning here during the millennium ?
Your lengthy post of your explaining the why of anything, is due to the error of your beginning statement: "A Living soul imparted into a Body, brings the body to a living state."Disagree and WHY.
God IS Just.
God IS Merciful.
All Body's begin Mortal.
All mortal Body's are already sentenced To DIE.
A body's Life Is it's BLOOD, and God requires the impure BLOOD of every body to die.
The living soul, is Alive by the Breath of God...God Himself who IS life. (And ALL Life belongs to God..And All souls belong to God)
A Living soul imparted into a Body, brings the body to a living state.
BODY dying, the living soul departs the body.
So ... then what?
Body's are buried...rot, return to dust.
And the living soul?
ORDER/ WAY is a Biblical taught Highlight..
The structure/order of how things will happen; for a mortal to know, before it happens <---> Just.
Before Jesus' first coming...mortals were Divided.
SOME believing in God and their Messiah to Come.
Some men believed in other gods, or none at all.
THEY Bodily died...were buried, rotting, returning to dust.
Their living souls departed their bodies...
And went where?
Under the earth, Greek hades, Hebrew sheol, English hell, whatever Label/Language one wants to use.
In that "underworld" was set a "Division".
The division was Set by Water, called a great gulf.
On one side were living souls Of men; in comfort, still being feed the Word of God, by the presence of the Tree of Life (that same Tree that had been present in the Garden of Eden, available fro Adam and Eve to eat from). This side of the Gulf, was also at that time called Paradise, because of the presence of the Tree of Life, and living believing souls, departed out of Dead Bodies.
On the other side of the gulf Are departed living souls, of UNbelievers. No Tree of Life, separated From God, His Word, His Comforts, His Beauty...and their existence there, is called Agony, total discomfort...
This side also has specific names such as:
Gehenna Hebrew, Tartarus Greek, Hell English.
ONCE Jesus arrived on Earth, taught, ministered, was crucified...His BODY was buried in a cave (not subject to rot), His living soul departed His Body and also entered "the underworld". There He preached to those souls who had been waiting For Him...waiting to go be WITH God in Heaven.
Why did those souls HAVE TO WAIT?
Because, the Lord Jesus IS First and Before all things. Those souls could not Leave hell and go to Heaven UNTIL After Jesus.
So after 3 days, Jesus' soul returns to His BODY, and His BODY rises up, back into a Bodily living state.
Jesus walks the Earth, then Bodily, soul and spirit, rises to Heaven.
And the living believing souls, and Tree of Life? All rise up to Heaven to Wait...for the resurrection of their bodies and Judgement Day.
And those living souls in hell? Still waiting in agony for Judgement Day.
Judgement Day IS For All...
All body's, All souls, All spirits of All Earthly mankind.
God is Just...He does not Sentence a body without life in it. And A body without life in it Knows nothing...it can Not Praise or Honor "the Judge" (The Lord God).
(Our USA Republic adopted Biblical Principles...and also stand up in Honor of the Judge when the Judge enters the court room...but do not bow in praise or worship of that Judge).
On Judgement Day, All Living souls enter their body's and All body's are raised Up...and the Judge will Appear before them. All will SEE Him, in the Body of the Son of man and Believe He is the Christ The Power of God.
ALL Will honor Him By Standing...ALL Will praise and Worship Him by bending and Bowing TO Him.
ALL Believing...fulfills prophecy.
So are they All Saved THEN?
No.
Judgement ensues.
Judgement is based on the evedentury and accounted and recorded facts.
The Fact FORETOLD IS a mans soul must be accounted Saved before his natural death.
The Fact FORETOLD IS a mans spirit must be accounted Born Again.
The Fact FORETOLD IS, a mans whose soul was not Saved before his natural Death...is Blotted out of Gods Book of Life.
On Judgement Day...according to the documented Evidence...they whose names IS not in the Book of Life, have Gods Breath of Life returned TO God, and their..BODY and SOUL destroyed, Forever in utter darkness, separated from Gods Life.
And to note, reqarding the OP, concerning Purgatory...(Catholic teaching of some unknown place of souls of dead men, waiting for their souls to "Become" purged and enlightened with Gods Light and risen up to Heaven...) <--- they missed the good news. That has already happened. AND forward... since Jesus accomplished all He was set to do at His First coming...men whose souls Are Saved, go Directly to Heaven, when their physical body dies and is buried...as well ALL spirits of born again men...go directly to Heaven, when their body dies and it buried to rot.
Glory to God,
Taken