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  1. Bible_Gazer

    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    Hum ! I guess OSAS must not get a judgment day, since they are all set in for life.
    Is this true ?

    Just thinking after reading Post above #20
     
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    Romans 8:9 means nothing??
    Though you may have His words a hundred times before, it is evident that you do not believe or trust Him!
    Here is the criteria for God's judgment in righteousness TO ALL PEOPLE John 3[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    So what will you do with the longsuffering of God, who is willing that NO MAN should perish, but that ALL SHOULD COME to repentance [towards Him through Jesus]? 2 Peter 3:9.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Think this:
    What shall you DO to keep yourself saved, that would be equal to or better than the sacrificial blood of Jesus, that was shed for you?
    Yep! Back to John 3:16-18 and Romans 8:9.

    Now, to confirm what I have been showing, read this also: 1 John 5[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    You do believe, don't you?
    If so, then start TRUSING in Whom you believe!!
     
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    I believe when the judgement time comes those who truly and accepted god from his/her heart will experience his grace to paradise. and the people who didn't believe will suffer. I myself have hard time of my beliefs. but it straightened thanks to laycistercians.com. they really put my faith to where it should be. Those who believe will be rewarded and those who deny will suffer. Godbless
     
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    Romans 8:9 has nothing to do with the point that you're trying to make i.e. no reserved and future Judgement day.
    You make no remark of the verses that I showed you? ...wow!
    Every single point that you made denotes one thing, what qualifies a believer, ...Judgement Day will prove who the qualifiers really are.
    Not all who confess Christ on the outside will be saved. Judgement Day will reveal the hearts of many.
    Out of your own mouth, WOW!
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    1. When you came to God in repentance through Jesus, and believed in Jesus as your only Savior,
    which condition is your relationship now with the Father?
    A. Not condemned!
    B. Condemned already!
    Through believing faith, don't you KNOW that you have NOW appeared before the judgment seat of Christ, and therefore HAVE BOTH God's forgiveness and the Gift of Eternal Life, through His Holy Spirit?
    1 John 5:13, Romans 8:9 and Ephesians 4:30.

    The judgment of God is NOW! Jesus Himself is THAT Righteousnessof God (not the Law) by which God's judgment IS NOW taking place in every generation for belief or unbelief, aka "not condemned" or "condemned already"

    Through faith in Christ, God the Father HAS "translated" US INTO the kingdom of His dear Son"
    Colossians 1:13.
    Truly, I hope that you don't worry about being UNtranslated from the KoG!! God's Gift is without repentance on his part. Romans 11:29.

    2. I agree that there is no purgatory, but as for a paradise, you will have to talk to Jesus and the thief on the cross about that! I believe there is!
    See 1 John 5:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15.

    3. The end of time (last days) have been here since Pentecost!! Acts 2:17, Hebrews 1:2.
    Through the longsuffering patience of God, the world has been on an extension of time, because of His Grace and Mercy, He is still able to find people of faith, to believe that He is.
    However, Jesus did give us a clue of what the cause is, for His sudden and Grorious return from Heaven. Luke 18:8.

    What "Millennium" ??
    Are you talking about the unspecified length of time, concerning the Age of God's Grace now?
    Or are you talking about that fabricated work of fiction, by religion, whereby the UNglorified UNsaved will coexist with the Glorified Saved for a literal 1000 years.
    Apparently you haven't studied that dreamed up scenario long enough!!
    Think! How can the UNsaved be in the KoG on earth??
    Isn't it so that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG"??
    Whats wrong with that picture?
     
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    Are you still looking for a future judgment??
    And just exactly what makes a believer "a qualifier" for Eternal Life NOW (John 3:18, 1 John 5:13, Romans 8:9)?

    The Resurrection of all, who have faith in Jesus, will be the proof of who is who.
    Don't you know that they who do NOT have the Holy Spirit of God ARE none of His, and therefore CANNOT be resurrected...Ever!!
    They don't have eternal existence of any kind whatsoever.

    Because they rejected and/or neglected their opportunity of salvation through Christ, in their lifetime, they are NOT remembered by God and shall remain as "condemned already", as having perished!!
     
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    Undetermined EB, I am in a state of undetermined. If I remain steadfast in my faith until my death, or Christ comes back, then I am saved, and will be judged on Judgement Day, accordingly.
    That's how it works.

    No one is in paradise until Judgement Day. Even Jesus was not in paradise 'that day' as he told the thief. He was in the grave for 3 days, and walked on earth for another 40. You misunderstood the passage, he's saying that the thief's faith will get him into heaven over the Pharisees pseudo righteousness. Jesus was referring to faith over works. Don't buy into man imposed punctuation (comma comes after 'today').

    I am talking about a literal 1,000 years, where Jesus will reign on earth, and then there will be a final rebellion of those of the anti-christ. Both will be on earth simultaneously. After the final rebellion, comes the Great White Throne Judgment. And then, the Kingdom of God will be inaugurated with the New Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Will you knock of the nonsense. We are in a trial period here on earth. There are charlatans, anti-christs, seeds thrown among the rocks, shallow soil, weeds & fertile land. There are those who confess Christ, and yet, God does not know them. And so on...
    You do not have the Holy Spirit in you, and you'll never be able to prove that you do, anymore than a charlatan can (by confessing Jesus as Lord).
    Only when the Books are opened on Judgement Day, and the goats are separated from the sheep, will anyone know who is saved.
     
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    Firstly, purgatory is not in the Scripture.

    There are no souls in heaven or hell. All who have died are dead (asleep) All await a resurrection ...either the first or the second. The only exception are those who God has translated like Enoch and Elijah as well as some others.

    Judgement is happening now for all who have ever taken on the name of God in Earth's history. 1 Peter 4:17. It has started with those who have died all the way back to Adam and soon will pass to the living. Revelation 14:7

    Jesus is in the final stage of his ministry in heaven. When it ends every case will have been decided and his return imminent.

    Those who have never taken on the name of God in truth and principle have judged themselves as unworthy. Their lot will be the second resurrection to witness the verdict of unworthiness and therefore condemnation before they are destroyed in the cleansing fires of earth. 2 Peter 3:7 & vs 10-11

    The first death which is the one we are all subject to the scripture calls a sleep. John 11:11-14
    'Death' as God warned Adam (you shall surely die) and as referred to in its context is the cessation of life forever. The scripture calls this the second death. Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8

    If you want clarification on any of this, please ask.
     
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    1. Yes.
    2. There is no purgatory, no waiting, no judging again. As for judgment beginning at the house of God, the kingdom of God is His house, and it is not of this world. There is also no "then", but rather "today."
    3. Everything happens before you die, that is, even before the foundation of the world.
    4. There is no judging again.
    5. The world is like a man when he sleeps and dreams, and the kingdom is like when he awakes.
     
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    Judgement, Discriminant, Accounted;
    Whatever your want to Label it Occurs every second of every day, Of every person.

    Good Works (that which Glorify The Lord God)...become a Blessing to the person...
    Worthy of that person receiving a gift from God.

    Some may recognize the Gift...
    As a gift from God and Offer thanks to God.
    Others may think it is Luck, and just be glad for it.

    For the Dead; (Before Jesus,) who believe In God and the coming Messiah...
    And (After Jesus' first coming,) who are
    Saved and Born Again, there are Treasures "stored up in Heaven"... For Them.

    Those "Treasures", BECOME received (After Jesus Descends from Heaven,) for His Second Coming.

    The receiving of such Treasures, is called the receiving of "Rewards".

    From the "time" of Jesus' descent From Heaven...To the "time", of After "Final" Judgement.
    Individual recipients, receive Their "Rewards".

    Why a "time" frame?
    Simple. God IS Just.

    Not every individual has BEEN or will BE born at the SAME time.

    There IS "time" allotted, for: those already "saints" (IN) Faith ... and others to hear and Become IN Faith...before Final Judgement.

    Don't we have "that time Now"?

    Sure. However, there IS a timeframe allotted, for mortals to only hear good from saints, without the Devils influence.
    Some will choose to believe, still others will not believe...they still have FREEWILL.

    Before final Judgement...every Living individual will have heard the Word of God, and had sufficient time allotted for them to accept or reject God, and Christ the Lord.

    At Final Judgement, each individual will be Judged according to the Evidence Accounted pertaining specifically to them.

    And after the Final Judgement, follows the Sentencing.
    The Sentencing, is primarily the eternal "SEPARATION"..."of" those Against God From those With the Lord God.

    Presently...what is occurring is "DIVISION".
    Luke 12:
    [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

    Division between those WITH and those WITHOUT the Lord God...is in Effect.
    People are with, without, doubting, wondering, Hearing, Learning, accepting, rejecting, wavering, believing one day and not the next, then again believing.....

    It is Heartfully committing that changes everything for that individual.

    Accounted SEPARATION..."set Apart unto God"..can occur for any individual, at any time.....Once that Individual makes A vow of heartfelt COMMITMENT in Faith to the Lord God.
    They forever ARE set Apart and SEALED unto the Lord God Forever...whether The Lord is still sitting HEAVEN, has descended to the Clouds, has set His foot on Earth, Has set up His Kingdom on Earth...
    Whether or not the devil is still roaming the earth.

    Glory to God,
    Taken

     
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    If I am reading you right ?
    Two different groups as of now that had died - just and unjust are waiting for their rewards.
    So where are they now ?
    The unjust are partially judged until final resurrection right ? because someone determined already where they are going

    Curious about the lake of fire and the earth being cleansed with fire.
    You don't see a literal fire on top of this mud ball Earth do ya ?
    Isn't there some place called the kingdom of God reigning here during the millennium ?
     
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    Your current state of faith in His salvation for you is undetermined by God??
    Or is it more like you are attempting to ADD your form of righteousness, which is by the Law, to HIS Righteousness that EXCEEDS that of the Law!
    You have yet to understand and TRUST His Righteousness, which is without the DEEDS of the Law. Matthew 5:20
    Yes, in your current state of fear, you do need to worry, because you are NOT in His rest, of which is explained in 1 John 4:18
     
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    No... the people in Noah's day, the people in Sodom & Gomorrah, and in Jerusalem shall be raised again @
    the Great White Throne. John 5:27-29 says,

    27 And has given him authority to execute judgment also,
    because he is the son of man.
    28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which, all

    that are in the graves shall hear his voice.
    29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
    resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
    resurrection of judgment.

    This will take 1000 years after the Sons of God are manifested in the earth (Romans 8:19).

    What a God! What a Plan!

    Logabe
     
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    1. In regards to ALL who have died in faith believing in the Messiah/Christ to come, who then did come, those saints were GIVEN the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, and remain in waiting for their redemption, as are all of us, since His Ascension.
    Altogether, they and we, are known as Heavenly Jerusalem, which is the mother of us all. Galatians 4:26
    Please see also Revelation 6:9-11.

    2. As for anyone who you might think is in Heaven ahead of Christ, you should earnestly reconsider your belief system and correct it immediately.
    John 3[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
     
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    Disagree and WHY.

    God IS Just.
    God IS Merciful.

    All Body's begin Mortal.
    All mortal Body's are already sentenced To DIE.
    A body's Life Is it's BLOOD, and God requires the impure BLOOD of every body to die.

    The living soul, is Alive by the Breath of God...God Himself who IS life. (And ALL Life belongs to God..And All souls belong to God)
    A Living soul imparted into a Body, brings the body to a living state.
    BODY dying, the living soul departs the body.
    So ... then what?
    Body's are buried...rot, return to dust.
    And the living soul?

    ORDER/ WAY is a Biblical taught Highlight..
    The structure/order of how things will happen; for a mortal to know, before it happens <---> Just.

    Before Jesus' first coming...mortals were Divided.
    SOME believing in God and their Messiah to Come.
    Some men believed in other gods, or none at all.

    THEY Bodily died...were buried, rotting, returning to dust.
    Their living souls departed their bodies...
    And went where?
    Under the earth, Greek hades, Hebrew sheol, English hell, whatever Label/Language one wants to use.
    In that "underworld" was set a "Division".
    The division was Set by Water, called a great gulf.
    On one side were living souls Of men; in comfort, still being feed the Word of God, by the presence of the Tree of Life (that same Tree that had been present in the Garden of Eden, available fro Adam and Eve to eat from). This side of the Gulf, was also at that time called Paradise, because of the presence of the Tree of Life, and living believing souls, departed out of Dead Bodies.

    On the other side of the gulf Are departed living souls, of UNbelievers. No Tree of Life, separated From God, His Word, His Comforts, His Beauty...and their existence there, is called Agony, total discomfort...
    This side also has specific names such as:
    Gehenna Hebrew, Tartarus Greek, Hell English.

    ONCE Jesus arrived on Earth, taught, ministered, was crucified...His BODY was buried in a cave (not subject to rot), His living soul departed His Body and also entered "the underworld". There He preached to those souls who had been waiting For Him...waiting to go be WITH God in Heaven.

    Why did those souls HAVE TO WAIT?
    Because, the Lord Jesus IS First and Before all things. Those souls could not Leave hell and go to Heaven UNTIL After Jesus.

    So after 3 days, Jesus' soul returns to His BODY, and His BODY rises up, back into a Bodily living state.
    Jesus walks the Earth, then Bodily, soul and spirit, rises to Heaven.

    And the living believing souls, and Tree of Life? All rise up to Heaven to Wait...for the resurrection of their bodies and Judgement Day.

    And those living souls in hell? Still waiting in agony for Judgement Day.

    Judgement Day IS For All...
    All body's, All souls, All spirits of All Earthly mankind.

    God is Just...He does not Sentence a body without life in it. And A body without life in it Knows nothing...it can Not Praise or Honor "the Judge" (The Lord God).

    (Our USA Republic adopted Biblical Principles...and also stand up in Honor of the Judge when the Judge enters the court room...but do not bow in praise or worship of that Judge).

    On Judgement Day, All Living souls enter their body's and All body's are raised Up...and the Judge will Appear before them. All will SEE Him, in the Body of the Son of man and Believe He is the Christ The Power of God.

    ALL Will honor Him By Standing...ALL Will praise and Worship Him by bending and Bowing TO Him.

    ALL Believing...fulfills prophecy.

    So are they All Saved THEN?
    No.

    Judgement ensues.
    Judgement is based on the evedentury and accounted and recorded facts.
    The Fact FORETOLD IS a mans soul must be accounted Saved before his natural death.
    The Fact FORETOLD IS a mans spirit must be accounted Born Again.

    The Fact FORETOLD IS, a mans whose soul was not Saved before his natural Death...is Blotted out of Gods Book of Life.

    On Judgement Day...according to the documented Evidence...they whose names IS not in the Book of Life, have Gods Breath of Life returned TO God, and their..BODY and SOUL destroyed, Forever in utter darkness, separated from Gods Life.

    And to note, reqarding the OP, concerning Purgatory...(Catholic teaching of some unknown place of souls of dead men, waiting for their souls to "Become" purged and enlightened with Gods Light and risen up to Heaven...) <--- they missed the good news. That has already happened. AND forward... since Jesus accomplished all He was set to do at His First coming...men whose souls Are Saved, go Directly to Heaven, when their physical body dies and is buried...as well ALL spirits of born again men...go directly to Heaven, when their body dies and it buried to rot.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Earburner,

    John 3[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.[/QUOTE]

    No man...is reference to a man's body.

    Gen 2
    [7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    What was man, Before he became a living soul?

    A CREATED form, without life?
    A man
    Where did it come from?
    Dust of the earth.
    What is a form with life?
    A Living soul.
    Where did this Life come from?
    Gods breath.
    What is a CREATED form, without Gods life.
    A man.

    No man has gone up to Heaven, except the Form body, of the Son of man, which came down from Heaven.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    ALL DEAD Body's rotting returning to dust.

    Yes. Sort of like putting one Caught in the act, in jail, divided away from others, based on preliminary evidence. Then they have a day before the Judge, and more evidence is brought forth. Then the sentencing based on all the evidence.

    Spiritually...people are being Divided (preliminary evidence). The Spiritual Judge has not YET appeared. Everyone is waiting for the Judge to appear.
    All souls must return to their body's...
    Some souls are Saved, Some are Not.
    Souls of the Saved will enter their bodies which are raised IN Glory..a new body.
    Souls of the Unsaved will enter their bodies which are raised IN Damnation...their Same corrupt body.

    ALL Will then be Judged on the Evidence.
    The primary Evidence IS simple:
    is an Individuals Name IN Gods Book of Life...or not.
    Yes? he remains living in his glorious body forever.
    No? Life in his soul returns to God and his body and soul destroyed.

    For:
    Angelic spirits, created Holy but by their FREEWILL turned Against God. Holy Spirits Can not Die. For ever they shall be cast into a pit of fire, forever being purified with fire.
    Also For:
    Body's and souls of men, who freely REJECTED God and His Christ Messiah.
    (Body's and souls are not spirits, and shall be burned up.)

    Yes. Recalling...the Earth being flooded, CLEANSED with water...and people Baptized CLEANSED with Water? A Temporary Cleaning.
    THEN revealed, A permanent Cleansing?
    A man CLEANSED with the power of God Internally.
    And also will man (who is internally cleansed, be RAISED in a new body...and his Habitat, Earth CLEANSED with Fire, Which is God, pure Light, eradicating, burning up All evil, wickedness, Corruption upon the Earth.
    And the Effect upon a man ALREADY Purified/Glorified...no negative Effect.

    Yes absolutely. Look around at the gaudy, trashy, evil, wicked things men have made, created, to salute their own pride and pleasures, with out goodness, with goodness and No thanks unto God. Yes, a complete purification by burning ungodly works.

    Yes. It is located in the place we know as the lands of the Middle East...
    The same;
    Where was:
    The Garden of Eden,
    The land promised to Abraham and his faithful descendants,
    And
    The place in Jerusalem, established as the Everlasting Throne, where king David sat, and is next to be occupied By Christ the Lord Jesus.

    Today it is Occupied by lovers and haters of God and REJECTERS of His Christ...and the area unrecognizable of what it shall Be.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Your lengthy post of your explaining the why of anything, is due to the error of your beginning statement: "A Living soul imparted into a Body, brings the body to a living state."
    News for you! In the KJV man "BECAME a living soul", he didn't get one!! When will you all ever learn??
    By that one foolish statement, you just said that ALL living creatures and animals were given "a living soul". Compare Genesis 2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    With...
    Genesis 7
     
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