Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

[marksman]

prolly not even very close

Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. The key bit is the born again. A new birth. A second birth where all things become new and the old passes away.

 

[prism]

I'm saved.
On account of Jesus Christ.
All glory to Him.
No conundrum here.

 

[ScottA]

A lot of people are declaring themselves saved. It's a modern fad. But it's all very subjective.

The goal of faith in Christ is to be a light to the world. But because people are selfish (can a person be selfishly saved? ) what matters to them is security...at least the feeling of security...whether there is any truth to it or not.

But are we really better off thinking we're already eternally saved?

It's a conundrum really. God hates pride...yet that's what people want. People want security, but God wants people to trust Him.

So we are at odds with God. We prefer to make a religion out of preferable outcomes for ourselves rather than actually knowing the truth. Is that wise?

The saved do not "think" they are saved, but know they are.

 

[marksman]

The saved do not "think" they are saved, but know they are.

A good point Scott.

 

[Child of God]

prolly not even very close

The prolly not even Close, is probably most accurate.

It about Explains it.

WE ARE DEALING WITH CHILDREN.

 

[Episkopos]

The saved do not "think" they are saved, but know they are.

But that's a fallacy since you can only KNOW what you are doing now....not in the future. You can hope. It's funny how that word hope is never used by modern people yet it is one of the big three..faith HOPE and love. Not....faith know and love.

 

[aspen]

Well, I do

 

[Child of God]

I am here to Make Children Of God,
Into
Men Of God.

 

[Child of God]

I just looked at the thread I got pulled into.

All it takes to be saved Is Imaginary
I Love Jesus
Jesus Bloods cover me

All you have do to be saved is SAY.
I love Jesus.

Then you can do whatever you want.

I noticed you guys Shut down a bunch of other stuff, when I Became Aware of what you were Doing.

LOL

I do not know what you are Doing,
That I know you should worry You.

I will Spell it out from the Start
Paul is the False apostle, he Never was an Apostle, and all his Claims, lead to.

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Thee is Much more to learn after you learn this.

 

[Enoch111]

Paul is the False apostle, he Never was an Apostle, and all his Claims, lead to.

And yet he wrote over half the New Testament. So did you cut those epistles out of your Bible? If not what are you waiting for?

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm saved.
On account of Jesus Christ.
All glory to Him.
No conundrum here.

well, we say that, yeh

 

[bbyrd009]

The saved do not "think" they are saved, but know they are.

you dont see any possibility for self deception there?

 

[bbyrd009]

But that's a fallacy since you can only KNOW what you are doing now....not in the future. You can hope. It's funny how that word hope is never used by modern people yet it is one of the big three..faith HOPE and love. Not....faith know and love.

zing
word

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, I do

so then lemme ask, this "saved" basically means "going up to heaven after i have died," yes?

 

[bbyrd009]

I am here to Make Children Of God,
Into
Men Of God.

funny, reads better the other way to me, but then im a pod lol
ntmy btw, im mark

 

[bbyrd009]

Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. The key bit is the born again. A new birth. A second birth where all things become new and the old passes away.

boy, and do we have a ritual for that, eh

 

[Invisibilis]

Truth restores and heals what we have distorted from truth. Simply put, it is our dishonesty which destroys us, and our honesty of heart which saves us.
Anything we define by our false-self will be distorted, deceptive, and illusionary. Only the innermost being knows and can define what is true. Our 'self' is incapable of doing this.

What the 'self' does is try and grasp truth (our salvation) through knowledge (reasoning and logic), but can never do so, because the nature of self opposes the nature of truth, or our inner being. Self's best efforts to grasp salvation is through constructing thoughts and feelings about salvation and how it belongs to the self through seeking, defining, claiming, investing into its own constructed definition of salvation to suit its wants and needs of worthiness.

...There is a lot more Light available to me these days, but the blindness is not gone. Actually what I see more clearly now is my inability to see very much at all much of the time. A lot of those little savings in people do little good because continually they go back and repeat themselves. Little good. little savings,...

This self-fabricated construction of salvation is made up of many fragmented parts of what it thinks truth/salvation is. As a whole it seems very convincing - just what the self wants. The whole construction of salvation is not true, but an illusion of the mind. Even when it seems to feel right, it is not fulfilling, not whole as we know it could be. It's incomplete, wondering if we will ever fulfill our purpose here on earth. To walk with God again.

Salvation is of the spirit. Only the spirit knows about salvation. To be saved, we need to stay conscious of the spirit.

John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

Stay in love with the Love that loves you.

 

[aspen]

so then lemme ask, this "saved" basically means "going up to heaven after i have died," yes?

saved means perfected, which means sanctified by the Holy Spirit to love perfectly. It is also the state of Heaven

 

[Holy999]

jesus blood and water baptism

 

[Enow]

prolly not even very close

Then we can't call Jesus Our Savior then, right? But since we can call Jesus Christ Our Savior, then it is because we are saved as the scripture in the KJV says.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.