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That’s not really accurate. ALL Christians believe Truth comes ultimately from God.

The way in which that Truth is delivered and organized— that’s a subject you’ll find a wide variety of beliefs on.

But all Christians believe that God Himself is the ultimate source of Truth.
God wrote the scriptures?

Why are they named Matt, Mark etc?
 

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Ummmm, the Bible says that Christ's Church is the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23).

STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .
I have.

Hey, when is the last time a Pope met Moses on the mount of transfiguration?

Is there an RCC statue of Moses up there that speaks?
 

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Praying to Mary or any of the departed saint; where is that taught in the N.T.? Stephen had died first as recorded. No one had prayed to him for help during all that time in the Book of Acts.

Praying for the dead... what good does that do, when after death judgment is given?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Their spirits are with the Lord, whether they did bad or not, period. See below.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Catholics are NOT in purgatory, but they will be sorry for believing less of Him. They should repent before the Bridegroom comes all things Catholicism not found in the Bible. All works should be mentioned as practiced and named as such like the Mass and Eucharist in the Bible but it is not.
Did you know the Pope will pray these souls out of purgatory if you give him money?

Pretty cool huh?
 

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I have.
Hey, when is the last time a Pope met Moses on the mount of transfiguration?
Is there an RCC statue of Moses up there that speaks?
TRANSLATION:
"I REALLY stuck my foot in my mouth with this "necromancy" manure - so I'd better change the subject quickly!"

Yup - that's what I thought . . .
 

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God wrote the scriptures?
Why are they named Matt, Mark etc?
You don't know that God is the Author of Scripture??
You don't know that it is the "Word of God"??

Your ignorance NEVER fails to entertain, Einstein . . .
 

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You don't know that God is the Author of Scripture??
You don't know that it is the "Word of God"??

Your ignorance NEVER fails to entertain, Einstein . . .
Yeah, and the RCC is not God, but just the opposite of God.

And don't you forget it.
 

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TRANSLATION:
"I REALLY stuck my foot in my mouth with this "necromancy" manure - so I'd better change the subject quickly!"

Yup - that's what I thought . . .
I can see it now....The Pope is transfigured at the Vatican every sunrise.

They have to put a veil over the Cardinals' face, and walk backwards on their knees to serve his breakfast.
 

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Did you know the Pope will pray these souls out of purgatory if you give him money?

Pretty cool huh?

Kind of like double your I.Q or no money back scam? Sarcasm aside, taking advantage of Catholics in their hour of need when it is unnecessary because their spirits are present with the Lord. Talk about laboring in unbelief. Remember to pray for them that God will lead them out to a personal reconciled relationship with Him thru Jesus Christ rather than the CC.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
 

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You don't know that God is the Author of Scripture??
You don't know that it is the "Word of God"??

Your ignorance NEVER fails to entertain, Einstein . . .

And yet the CC can only interpret the scipture for you? As if Jesus can't be Your personal Good Shepherd Himself?

Tell me what the CC says is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes in Revelation is? The deeds of the Nicoalitanes is sexual immorality, but what is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is about that God hates? Is the only clue is in what that name means "conquest of the laity"? Or does the CC has more info? If there is no more info, makes you wonder why they insist coming to them for all interpretations when they have not done it all yet, huh?
 

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Kind of like double your I.Q or no money back scam? Sarcasm aside, taking advantage of Catholics in their hour of need when it is unnecessary because their spirits are present with the Lord. Talk about laboring in unbelief. Remember to pray for them that God will lead them out to a personal reconciled relationship with Him thru Jesus Christ rather than the CC.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
They need tough love.
You can’t run them off...they are already off.
The best thing they need is a big fat question mark in their belief system.
They are the kings of compromise, which never saved anyone, rather condemns all that practice it.
 

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Yeah, and the RCC is not God, but just the opposite of God.

And don't you forget it.
I can see it now....The Pope is transfigured at the Vatican every sunrise.

They have to put a veil over the Cardinals' face, and walk backwards on their knees to serve his breakfast.
More idiocy from a guy who didn't even know that the Scriptures are the word of God.
Your poor kids . . .
 

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And yet the CC can only interpret the scipture for you? As if Jesus can't be Your personal Good Shepherd Himself?

Tell me what the CC says is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes in Revelation is? The deeds of the Nicoalitanes is sexual immorality, but what is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is about that God hates? Is the only clue is in what that name means "conquest of the laity"? Or does the CC has more info? If there is no more info, makes you wonder why they insist coming to them for all interpretations when they have not done it all yet, huh?
And there you go again not understanding that Christ and His Church are inseparable.

As for your last foolish comments in RED - here is how Scripture differentiates the clergy and laity . . .

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter from US."

2 Thess. 3:6
"Now WE command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from US.”

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
 

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God wrote the scriptures?
Or, is the Pope the scriptures?
Soooo, you actually believe that the NT writers wrote the Scripture on their own - without inspiration from God??

I don't know how you do it - but your posts manage to get more and more stupid as you go . . .
 

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They need tough love.
You can’t run them off...they are already off.
The best thing they need is a big fat question mark in their belief system.
They are the kings of compromise, which never saved anyone, rather condemns all that practice it.

The instructions below applies in any and all outreach ministry to those astray, even to Catholics.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Corinthians 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

There has to come a time when He may lead us to let go and let God deal with them. I trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me let go when that time comes.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Indeed, every time we are in here, we have to trust Him to help us let go especially when He appears as the Bridegroom. We can't be dramatic like Sam Becket in Quantum Leap after winning that basketball game but yet finding out his brother still gets killed in Vietnam and then he reaches back to look at his brother, Tom, crying out his name in a last ditch attempt to warn him before leaping out. Our hearts may go out to our brothers and sisters, but they are the Lord and He is the Good Shepherd. He will recover the lost, even those left behind for He will lose nothing of all the Father has given them.

Luke 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper. 25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Jesus spoke of how the cares of this life wll serve as a snare for why those believers were making excuses not to come. Then He expunds on that to the multitude about the cost of discipleship about how we have to love Him more to leave our loved ones behind and trust Him to the keeping of their souls while they suffer the coming fire on the third of the earth and the coming great tribulation as a result for why they are going to have a mark of the beast system to buy and sell in order to survive in the new world order which will kill off all those not taking the mark.

So the warning below can only apply to believers before the rapture which has to take place before that calamity of fire and the coming great tribulation.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So trust the Lord as your Good Shepherd to take you no matter what you are in the middle of in typing to reach the lost. Jesus is Lord.
 

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And there you go again not understanding that Christ and His Church are inseparable.

As for your last foolish comments in RED - here is how Scripture differentiates the clergy and laity . . .

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter from US."

2 Thess. 3:6
"Now WE command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from US.”

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

None of the Catholic traditions can be found as taught as such in the scripture. You have to go outside the scripture to the catechism for that.

Still avoiding the CC interpretation of what the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is about in Revelations and how CC can say it cannot apply to them. Protestants are guilty of the same thing for having an authority outside the local assembly other than the Word of God; hence the Presbytery.
 

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That’s not really accurate. ALL Christians believe Truth comes ultimately from God.

The way in which that Truth is delivered and organized— that’s a subject you’ll find a wide variety of beliefs on.

But all Christians believe that God Himself is the ultimate source of Truth.
God wrote the scriptures?

Why are they named Matt, Mark etc?
I think we are having a communication disconnect here.

My points was that ultimately all Christians believe that God is the source of all Truth. There is a variety of beliefs on the ways that Truth is delivered and organized. But everyone believes God is in charge.
 

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I think we are having a communication disconnect here.

My points was that ultimately all Christians believe that God is the source of all Truth. There is a variety of beliefs on the ways that Truth is delivered and organized. But everyone believes God is in charge.
That is too broad brushed.

There is a lone God with a particular word and a particular, 1st century belief system that is our particular way to be saved.

It is called the Apostles doctrine.

It is our duty to obey their exact doctrines and have their exact experience to be considered part of that particular church.

This 1st century church we read of in Acts had no name, so anyone that wishes to identify with it today must duplicate it.

The rest are counterfeits.
 

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The instructions below applies in any and all outreach ministry to those astray, even to Catholics.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Corinthians 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

There has to come a time when He may lead us to let go and let God deal with them. I trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me let go when that time comes.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Indeed, every time we are in here, we have to trust Him to help us let go especially when He appears as the Bridegroom. We can't be dramatic like Sam Becket in Quantum Leap after winning that basketball game but yet finding out his brother still gets killed in Vietnam and then he reaches back to look at his brother, Tom, crying out his name in a last ditch attempt to warn him before leaping out. Our hearts may go out to our brothers and sisters, but they are the Lord and He is the Good Shepherd. He will recover the lost, even those left behind for He will lose nothing of all the Father has given them.

Luke 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper. 25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Jesus spoke of how the cares of this life wll serve as a snare for why those believers were making excuses not to come. Then He expunds on that to the multitude about the cost of discipleship about how we have to love Him more to leave our loved ones behind and trust Him to the keeping of their souls while they suffer the coming fire on the third of the earth and the coming great tribulation as a result for why they are going to have a mark of the beast system to buy and sell in order to survive in the new world order which will kill off all those not taking the mark.

So the warning below can only apply to believers before the rapture which has to take place before that calamity of fire and the coming great tribulation.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So trust the Lord as your Good Shepherd to take you no matter what you are in the middle of in typing to reach the lost. Jesus is Lord.
Amen.

Whatever it takes my friend.
 
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None of the Catholic traditions can be found as taught as such in the scripture. You have to go outside the scripture to the catechism for that.

Still avoiding the CC interpretation of what the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes is about in Revelations and how CC can say it cannot apply to them. Protestants are guilty of the same thing for having an authority outside the local assembly other than the Word of God; hence the Presbytery.
WRONG.

I'll give you one Catholic Tradition that ALL Christians adhere to - and that is the NT Canon of Scripture.
NOWHERE does the Bible contain a list of Books that belong in it. The Canon was declared by the Catholic Church at thew Synod of Rome in 382 AD.

It was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo eleven years later (393).
At the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

As for the "Nicolaitans" - you're barking up the wrong tree. I already debunked your false idea with Scripture.
Here it is again for your review . . .

here is how Scripture differentiates the clergy and laity:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter from US."

2 Thess. 3:6
"Now WE command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from US.”

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.[/QUOTE]