Heresy within Christianity

[mjrhealth]

You are a United States citizen. The only difference between and other citizens is the amount of melanin in your skin. You are right. Those brown skinned people with less melanin in their skin have no right to tell you to go to a foreign country. If you were born in the USA, there is no going "back" to Africa, because you didn't come from there in the first place.

It would be like those in New Zealand who have more melanin in their skins telling me with a lot less in my skin to go back to Denmark where my ancestors came from. I don't even speak Danish so what would be the use of that?

Even in African nations there are citizens of those countries where there is a mixture of people of different shades of brown in their skin. So what makes a darker brown citizen more of a citizen than a lighter brown one? In fact, where do you draw the line at where a certain shade of brown is a citizen and another shade of brown shouldn't be?

Still like to know where us white people come from, we are the odd ones out in all this.

 

[Paul Christensen]

You should be happy, once upon a time they would use you to warm the house.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Scripture says that holy men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20).


The first step in receiving Christ is to see yourself as a sinner, deserving of judgment and hell. The Holy Spirit said through John that the person who says he has no sin deceives himself and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8)


Many people adopt Christianity without knowing that they are sinners, and that Jesus died on the cross to take the penalty for their sin on Himself, so that as they turn to Christ as their Saviour, the penalty for their sin has been paid, and the sinner is forgiven and goes free. But if a person adopts Christianity without knowing that they are a sinner and need to be saved on judgment day, then they have missed one of the most important parts of the gospel.


You know very well that it is not what I am talking about. I don't what you mean by saying that God hates sinners and saves only good people. That sounds like non-Biblical theology to me. God loves sinners, and He came to save people who are not good; so to accept the good news of the gospel we first have to know that we are not good.

How do I know that I am saved? The Word of God says that God so loved me, that He gave His only Son to die on the cross to take the penalty for my badness, which I deserved, and if I believe and trust in Him then I will receive eternal life. So I know I am saved because the Word of God says I am.

How about you?

The Scripture says that holy men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20).
"Men moved by the Holy Spirit.." 2000 years of history will prove that men claim to be guided in different directions by the Holy Spirit. Do you think a Catholic will say that his religion was not guided by the Holy Spirit? How about a baptist, a Pentecost? The footprints of men that are guided by the Holy Spirit will leave the prints of Christian faith and deeds.
Prophecy? Interpreting prophecy is not the easiest thing to do. The Jews thought the messiah would be a human and still do. The Apostles believed Christ would return soon. And here we stand.

The first step in receiving Christ is to see yourself as a sinner, deserving of judgment and hell. The Holy Spirit said through John that the person who says he has no sin deceives himself and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8)
True! But what are you doing?

Many people adopt Christianity without knowing that they are sinners, and that Jesus died on the cross to take the penalty for their sin on Himself, so that as they turn to Christ as their Saviour, the penalty for their sin has been paid, and the sinner is forgiven and goes free. But if a person adopts Christianity without knowing that they are a sinner and need to be saved on judgment day, then they have missed one of the most important parts of the gospel.
So you think there are denominations out there that believe they were not sinners before being saved?
The better question is, do you believe you are not a sinner after being saved?

You know very well that it is not what I am talking about. I don't what you mean by saying that God hates sinners and saves only good people. That sounds like non-Biblical theology to me. God loves sinners, and He came to save people who are not good; so to accept the good news of the gospel we first have to know that we are not good.
What I mean by that....and I thought I made that clear...those are things that Satan says to people to question their salvation. You do not want to walk in the footprints of Satan.

How do I know that I am saved? The Word of God says that God so loved me, that He gave His only Son to die on the cross to take the penalty for my badness, which I deserved, and if I believe and trust in Him then I will receive eternal life. So I know I am saved because the Word of God says I am.
You and nearly every Christian in the world. What Christian would not believe in all that?

 

[Paul Christensen]

Still like to know where us white people come from, we are the odd ones out in all this.

If you are pure white you should be in the morgue!

We don't know what colour of brown Noah's sons and daughters were. It depends on the power and intensity of the sun where they were. You know that if you go out in the sun, you will get browner, because the skin will produce melanin to protect you from the sun's rays.

So, let's say they were halfway between being very light brown as you are, and very dark brown like someone from equatorial Africa. All their descendants stayed in the same area until they were split up at the tower of Babel. So let's say that your ancestors traveled to northern Europe or Russia, or even as far as Britain. They wouldn't have stayed where they were because they would have remained mid brown in skin colour.

So, let's say your ancestors settled in Britain. Now, over time through genetics, the mid-brown people died out and the very light brown people increased in the population. Then your ancestors migrated to Australia.

Now, I predict, that your skin colour won't go a darker brown, but your descendants, over time, will gradually change to darker brown people because of the Australian environment, and the rate of change will depend on what part of the country they will settle in. You will see that the indigenous people are much darker in Northern Australia, than they might be who live in the southern states (I am guessing of course).

New Zealander will have the same changes of skin colour as time goes on. The northern ones will genetically develop a darker skin colour than those down in the deep south, because of the differences in climate.

Now these things won't happen in 5 minutes as you know, but they will happen. However, this is just my theory in answer to your question.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The Scripture says that holy men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20).
"Men moved by the Holy Spirit.." 2000 years of history will prove that men claim to be guided in different directions by the Holy Spirit. Do you think a Catholic will say that his religion was not guided by the Holy Spirit? How about a baptist, a Pentecost? The footprints of men that are guided by the Holy Spirit will leave the prints of Christian faith and deeds.
Prophecy? Interpreting prophecy is not the easiest thing to do. The Jews thought the messiah would be a human and still do. The Apostles believed Christ would return soon. And here we stand.

So you don't believe that holy men of God wrote the Bible as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? Yeah...right!

So, which part of the gospel of Christ is difficult to interpret from the Bible?

The first step in receiving Christ is to see yourself as a sinner, deserving of judgment and hell. The Holy Spirit said through John that the person who says he has no sin deceives himself and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8)

True! But what are you doing?

Huh?

{quote]Many people adopt Christianity without knowing that they are sinners, and that Jesus died on the cross to take the penalty for their sin on Himself, so that as they turn to Christ as their Saviour, the penalty for their sin has been paid, and the sinner is forgiven and goes free. But if a person adopts Christianity without knowing that they are a sinner and need to be saved on judgment day, then they have missed one of the most important parts of the gospel.
So you think there are denominations out there that believe they were not sinners before being saved?
The better question is, do you believe you are not a sinner after being saved?[/quote]
It's not what denominations out there believe, it is what the Bible says. Charles Spurgeon said, "I'm just a poor sinner, and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is my all in all". And D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones said that there are no good Christians but vile people saved by the grace of God. So, in that sense, yes, I believe that I am still a sinner in myself, because as the Scripture says, I have the sentence of death in myself that I should not trust in myself but in God who raises the dead.

You know very well that it is not what I am talking about. I don't what you mean by saying that God hates sinners and saves only good people. That sounds like non-Biblical theology to me. God loves sinners, and He came to save people who are not good; so to accept the good news of the gospel we first have to know that we are not good.

What I mean by that....and I thought I made that clear...those are things that Satan says to people to question their salvation. You do not want to walk in the footprints of Satan.

I know that Satan continues to repeat his question to Eve: "Has God said?" The way to counter what Satan is asking is to answer him with the clear Word of God which promises us the full assurance of salvation as we put our full trust in Christ as our Saviour from the guilt, penalty, and power of sin. Because we still have the presence of sin in our flesh, Satan will use that to tempt us and fool us into doubting our salvation, but the antidote that will cause Satan to back off is: "There is no condemnation those those in Christ Jesus".

How do I know that I am saved? The Word of God says that God so loved me, that He gave His only Son to die on the cross to take the penalty for my badness, which I deserved, and if I believe and trust in Him then I will receive eternal life. So I know I am saved because the Word of God says I am.

You and nearly every Christian in the world. What Christian would not believe in all that?

Those professing Christianity who are mixing faith with good works in order to be justified before God.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you are pure white you should be in the morgue!

We don't know what colour of brown Noah's sons and daughters were. It depends on the power and intensity of the sun where they were. You know that if you go out in the sun, you will get browner, because the skin will produce melanin to protect you from the sun's rays.

So, let's say they were halfway between being very light brown as you are, and very dark brown like someone from equatorial Africa. All their descendants stayed in the same area until they were split up at the tower of Babel. So let's say that your ancestors traveled to northern Europe or Russia, or even as far as Britain. They wouldn't have stayed where they were because they would have remained mid brown in skin colour.

So, let's say your ancestors settled in Britain. Now, over time through genetics, the mid-brown people died out and the very light brown people increased in the population. Then your ancestors migrated to Australia.

Now, I predict, that your skin colour won't go a darker brown, but your descendants, over time, will gradually change to darker brown people because of the Australian environment, and the rate of change will depend on what part of the country they will settle in. You will see that the indigenous people are much darker in Northern Australia, than they might be who live in the southern states (I am guessing of course).

New Zealander will have the same changes of skin colour as time goes on. The northern ones will genetically develop a darker skin colour than those down in the deep south, because of the differences in climate.

Now these things won't happen in 5 minutes as you know, but they will happen. However, this is just my theory in answer to your question.

Thats not quiet true, people may get brown over time but the effect the sun has on the skin of a white man is different to that it has on a local.

 

[Jay Ross]

So to interpret "death" in terms of spiritual death is to put a New Testament interpretation on an Old Testament Scripture.

But the Egyptians knew about the second death when Abraham went down to Egypt and they were much afraid because of this, and this maybe the very reason why the Egyptians hated the Hebrews, because Hebrews were an abomination to the Egyptians. Abraham, who was a Hebrew, was not an abomination to the Egyptians when he first went down to Egypt but by the time they sent Abraham out of Egypt, he certainly was.

Then in the story of Abimelech, he certainly knew that he was destined for the second death because he had taken Sarah to become his wife, and he challenged God as to why he would die the second death when he had not actually done anything wrong.

Then in Ezekiel 18:19-32 we are told that God has no pleasure in anyone dying the second death for their sins. His desire is that mankind would repent of their sins and live rather than die the second death.

So, to turn your statement on its head, Jesus took an OT concept of the second death and told parables which further explained what God had meant in Gen 2:17.

The second death by no means is a spiritual death, but it does mean that those who go into the second death are separated from God.

Martha, certainly understood the concept of the second death when her brother, Lazarus died and was in the tomb for four days before Jesus came and raised him from the dead.

Daniel wrote in 12:1-3 the following: -

​

Daniel 12:1-3:- 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up,

The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.​

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.​

3 Those who are wise shall shine

Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.​

where he wrote about the righteous being resurrected to everlasting life and the unrighteous to shame and everlasting contempt by passing into the second death as punishment for their sins.

Your claims demonstrate a Darwinian evolutionary understanding of the development of mankind.

Shalom

 

[Paul Christensen]

Thats not quiet true, people may get brown over time but the effect the sun has on the skin of a white man is different to that it has on a local.

I agree. It depends on the level of melanin originally in the skin through the person's genetic code. Therefore an equatorial African will not show much change in his skin colour if he spends time in the sun. But you and I, when of a much light shade of brown (there is no such thing as white or black, but different shade of brown), if we go out in the sun, we will get tanned, and probably burned if we stay out there too long. This is because we are not genetically adapted to the environment in which we live, and this is why light brown skinned people in Australia and NZ tend to be high in the skin cancer stats.

 

[Paul Christensen]

But the Egyptians knew about the second death when Abraham went down to Egypt and they were much afraid because of this, and this maybe the very reason why the Egyptians hated the Hebrews, because Hebrews were an abomination to the Egyptians. Abraham, who was a Hebrew, was not an abomination to the Egyptians when he first went down to Egypt but by the time they sent Abraham out of Egypt, he certainly was.

Then in the story of Abimelech, he certainly knew that he was destined for the second death because he had taken Sarah to become his wife, and he challenged God as to why he would die the second death when he had not actually done anything wrong.

Then in Ezekiel 18:19-32 we are told that God has no pleasure in anyone dying the second death for their sins. His desire is that mankind would repent of their sins and live rather than die the second death.

So, to turn your statement on its head, Jesus took an OT concept of the second death and told parables which further explained what God had meant in Gen 2:17.

The second death by no means is a spiritual death, but it does mean that those who go into the second death are separated from God.

Martha, certainly understood the concept of the second death when her brother, Lazarus died and was in the tomb for four days before Jesus came and raised him from the dead.

Daniel wrote in 12:1-3 the following: -

​

Daniel 12:1-3:- 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up,

The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.​

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.​

3 Those who are wise shall shine

Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.​

where he wrote about the righteous being resurrected to everlasting life and the unrighteous to shame and everlasting contempt by passing into the second death as punishment for their sins.

Your claims demonstrate a Darwinian evolutionary understanding of the development of mankind.

Shalom

I certainly don't demonstrate a Darwinian evolutionary understanding, because I don't believe that physical death entered the world before Adam. Evolution involves death because natural selection and survival of the species depends on less fit species dying out and strong species surviving. Of course this is happening in the present day with many species becoming extinct, but no species became extinct before Adam because none of the animals died.

 

[Grailhunter]

So you don't believe that holy men of God wrote the Bible as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? Yeah...right!

So, which part of the gospel of Christ is difficult to interpret from the Bible?


Huh?

{quote]Many people adopt Christianity without knowing that they are sinners, and that Jesus died on the cross to take the penalty for their sin on Himself, so that as they turn to Christ as their Saviour, the penalty for their sin has been paid, and the sinner is forgiven and goes free. But if a person adopts Christianity without knowing that they are a sinner and need to be saved on judgment day, then they have missed one of the most important parts of the gospel.
So you think there are denominations out there that believe they were not sinners before being saved?
The better question is, do you believe you are not a sinner after being saved?

It's not what denominations out there believe, it is what the Bible says. Charles Spurgeon said, "I'm just a poor sinner, and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is my all in all". And D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones said that there are no good Christians but vile people saved by the grace of God. So, in that sense, yes, I believe that I am still a sinner in myself, because as the Scripture says, I have the sentence of death in myself that I should not trust in myself but in God who raises the dead.

I know that Satan continues to repeat his question to Eve: "Has God said?" The way to counter what Satan is asking is to answer him with the clear Word of God which promises us the full assurance of salvation as we put our full trust in Christ as our Saviour from the guilt, penalty, and power of sin. Because we still have the presence of sin in our flesh, Satan will use that to tempt us and fool us into doubting our salvation, but the antidote that will cause Satan to back off is: "There is no condemnation those those in Christ Jesus".
Those professing Christianity who are mixing faith with good works in order to be justified before God.[/QUOTE]
So you don't believe that holy men of God wrote the Bible as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? Yeah...right!
So, which part of the gospel of Christ is difficult to interpret from the Bible.
First off I referenced the past 2000 years and secondly I pointed out that prophecy is not easy to interpret, not even by the men of the Bible....Which apostle wrote about Christ's return thousands of years in the future? Or did they believe they were living in the days...not millenniums

It's not what denominations out there believe, it is what the Bible says. Charles Spurgeon said, "I'm just a poor sinner, and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is my all in all". And D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones said that there are no good Christians but vile people saved by the grace of God. So, in that sense, yes, I believe that I am still a sinner in myself, because as the Scripture says, I have the sentence of death in myself that I should not trust in myself but in God who raises the dead.
What these guys said means nothing to me. Paul called the Christians in his time period saints and explained that they were made perfect by Christ's Grace. The Grace of Christ does not cloak the children of God with dirty rags.

Those professing Christianity who are mixing faith with good works in order to be justified before God.
Justified by faith alone, but as a follower of Christ...what have you learnt? Did not the deeds of Christ mean anything to you? Do you think that belief alone is the footprints of a Christian. How do you apply the love of Christ? Just look at people that need help? Actions do not save, but what you do is a refection of what you learnt from the scriptures. I have seen it before, Christians without love, Christians without compassion. The Jews would walk by the sick and hungry, feeling all righteous. You can read about what Christ thought of them. Again nose to the scripture, no understanding. Paying no attention to the actions of Christ. Live in that closet Christian! Righteous by what you don't do.

 

[Paul Christensen]

#Grailhunter:
Read my post after this one:
The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

 

[Grailhunter]

So you don't believe that holy men of God wrote the Bible as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? Yeah...right!
So, which part of the gospel of Christ is difficult to interpret from the Bible.
First off I referenced the past 2000 years and secondly I pointed out that prophecy is not easy to interpret, not even by the men of the Bible....Which apostle wrote about Christ's return thousands of years in the future? Or did they believe they were living in the days...not millenniums

It's not what denominations out there believe, it is what the Bible says. Charles Spurgeon said, "I'm just a poor sinner, and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is my all in all". And D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones said that there are no good Christians but vile people saved by the grace of God. So, in that sense, yes, I believe that I am still a sinner in myself, because as the Scripture says, I have the sentence of death in myself that I should not trust in myself but in God who raises the dead.
What these guys said means nothing to me. Paul called the Christians in his time period saints and explained that they were made perfect by Christ's Grace. The Grace of Christ does not cloak the children of God with dirty rags.

Those professing Christianity who are mixing faith with good works in order to be justified before God.
Justified by faith alone, but as a follower of Christ...what have you learnt? Did not the deeds of Christ mean anything to you? Do you think that belief alone is the footprints of a Christian. How do you apply the love of Christ? Just look at people that need help? Actions do not save, but what you do is a refection of what you learnt from the scriptures. I have seen it before, Christians without love, Christians without compassion. The Jews would walk by the sick and hungry, feeling all righteous. You can read about what Christ thought of them. Again nose to the scripture, no understanding. Paying no attention to the actions of Christ. Live in that closet Christian! Righteous by what you don't do.

Read my post:
The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever[/QUOTE]
Agreed but you have to do more than give God lip service. In the service of God...is not only being good but doing good. More than talking about it. Not insinuating that people that do good are trying to work their way into salvation and heaven. Some one that has learnt something from the scriptures is in the service of God.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Read my post:
The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

Agreed but you have to do more than give God lip service. In the service of God...is not only being good but doing good. More than talking about it. Not insinuating that people that do good are trying to work their way into salvation and heaven. Some one that has learnt something from the scriptures is in the service of God.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. That's what James says when he says if a person says he has faith but does not demonstrate it by what he does, his faith is dead.

 

[Yehren]

No, the Hebrew text states that Adam will Die, the second death. H:4171 Mowt, "die", H:4191 taamuwt, "the second death." but the scholars', so called "technical understanding is to change the meaning of mowt to have the meaning of "surely," which elsewhere in the OT is translated as "die." But "taamuwt" is not the same word as "mowt" and as such it should have a very different meaning. What I am suggesting is that the second death as found in Revelation 20 has been there since the time of Adam and that it is associated with committing sin(s) and Adam in eating from the tree of knowledge, sinned and as such, if he did not repent then he was a candidate for the second death at the time of the GWTR judgement which will occur at the end of the Age of the Ages.

Arguing that the Bible is wrong doesn't seem like a sound argument to me.

As per above, we must consider all of God's word before we adopt a particular doctrine.

If you deny what is plainly there, to get the result you want, isn't that a revelation for you?

Why accuse me of having my own personal doctrine that isn't in scripture, when your understanding and doctrine is nowhere to be found in scripture at all.

KJV
Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Douay
Genesis 2:16 And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat:
17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.

NIV
Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

NKJV
Genesis 2:16 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Why not just take it as it is?

Why accuse me of having my own personal doctrine that isn't in scripture, when your understanding and doctrine is nowhere to be found in scripture at all.

See above. Can you think of even one version of scripture that supports your doctrine?

 

[Yehren]

So, a type of heresy in the Christian church is easy believerism which says that God has a wonderful plan for our life, and if we ask Jesus to come into our hearts, everything will be rosy and good and we will live a prosperous, happy life. This heresy ignores the need to see our own sinfulness in view of the Ten Commandments, the certainty of future judgment to give accounting for our life, and the need to repent of our sinful lifestyle and to acknowledge that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, and the need to follow after holiness of life (walking in the Spirit and not after the flesh).

God says you will be happy if you follow Him. He doesn't say you'll have an easy life, or that tragedy will not follow you. He says you'll be happy. I think He's right.

Ecclesiastes 2:26 God hath given to a man that is good in his sight, wisdom, and knowledge, and joy

 

[Yehren]

So as it is the Baptists says that Catholic beliefs are full of false doctrine. The Pentecosts says the Baptists have false doctrines. The Methodists say that none of the others know the way to salvation. The Catholics say that no one else is saved. They disagree and say hurtful things to each other....they gossip about one another....this is Christian love?

No,that is not Christian love. But consider this...

"The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (14*) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (15*) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(16*) They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood."
DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

That is Christian love. I do not know what other denominations have to say about other Christian denominations, but I suspect many of them believe the same things. At least those who follow Jesus, will.

 

[FollowHim]

Spiritual Dualism
Protecting the Law at the expense of people
Name it and claim it
OSAS
Replacing the command to “love your neighbor” with “telling your neighbor about salvation”
Limiting “your neighbor” to your family, church family or people who agree with you
Promoting lone wolf Christianity by demonizing church
Mistaking personal revelation and public revelation
Using and promoting “holy adhominien” attacks
Consequentialism
Exalting knowledge and demoting heart
Replacing humility with “Holy Ego”

As Christians we have our work cut out for us. Perhaps we can give our own eye the attention it desperately needs......

thoughts?

I have to laugh a bit.
50% of forum posters are probably dualists. They do not know it, but working through their beliefs they get there.

The question I have is are they saved?
The answer for me hinges on listening to Jesus and following Him.

And clearly those who do not have love in there hearts are lost. Ironically they argue the loudest and condemn others to hell, but while having no concern their hearts do not have the source. God bless you

 

[Yehren]

Yes I have heard that. But did we get that directly from the Neanderthals, or from breeding with the Cro-Magnon group?

The Cro-magnons are essentially anatomically modern humans. They were slightly more muscular than the average human today, but if you were to dress one up in modern clothes, he or she would look entirely normal to you, most likely with brown eyes and a skin tone slightly darker than found in Northern Europeans today.

They are classified as H. sapiens sapiens, essentially the same species and race as all modern humans.

 

[Yehren]

The Caucasian race is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, which, depending on which of the historical race classifications is used, has usually included ancient and modern populations from Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

The human genome project has established that there are no biological human races today. Race is merely a cultural construct. There is more variation within any "race" you might define, than there is between "races."

 

[Yehren]

Ah! I didn't know that! You have witnessed a miracle! Something I didn't know!

That sort of puts the knife into evolutionary apes to humans...

Nope. The fact that there was a fusion, doesn't remove common descent. Indeed, we see chromosome fusions happen within species today.