Regeneration before or after saving faith

[Waiting on him]

No worries in that regard :). Feel free to ask anything.

When Jesus was in the garden asking the Father to remove the cup, why the drops of blood?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

And also beings aren't created.

YHWH indwelling a body doesn't come close to being created.

Christ therefore is not both eternal and created.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

He became flesh as the scripture states..

That doesn't mean created. You're on an unsustainable path with that error.

 

[Waiting on him]

YHWH indwelling a body doesn't come close to being created.

Christ therefore is not both eternal and created.

Never said Christ was created nor believe it said His body was prepared of God.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

When Jesus was in the garden asking the Father to remove the cup, why the drops of blood?

Christ suffered for the sins of the world. Both to pay the price (justice cannot be robbed) and to understand the pain so that He may succor His people.

 

[Waiting on him]

That doesn't mean created. You're on an unsustainable path with that error.

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Then what does prepared mean?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Never said Christ was created nor believe it said His body was prepared of God.

I asked if he were eternal and created. You answered "yes."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

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Then what does prepared mean?

It certainly doesn't mean he was created.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hebrews 10:5 KJV
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

[Waiting on him]

I asked if he were eternal and created. You answered "yes."

Because I identify with Him as the eternal begoten Son and Jesus the flesh man

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Because I identify with Him as the eternal begoten Son and Jesus the flesh man

He isn't eternal and created.

 

[Waiting on him]

Christ suffered for the sins of the world. Both to pay the price (justice cannot be robbed) and to understand the pain so that He may succor His people.

Do you believe that the body of Jesus eternally existed?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Do you believe that the body of Jesus eternally existed?

Of course not!
His physical body came into being ~40 weeks before He was born of Mary.
His spirit has always existed.

 

[Renniks]

Do you believe all are convicted of the Spirit at some point in their life?

I think that prevenient grace is much broader than many think. God shows himself in millions of ways. Just sitting by the ocean can be a spiritual experience. Now, if the person who experiences that wonder begins to seek out who is behind the beauty and wonder, the Spirit will continue to work, until the individual either finds the truth or rejects it in favor of some false religion or becomes cynical and atheistic. That's just one example. So, I believe God works in every heart to the point where they could discover the biblical truth.

 

[Renniks]

I am Spirit-filled, but before that I knew very well which is why I repented, and Jesus have me His Spirit.

What prompted your repentance?

 

[Waiting on him]

I think that prevenient grace is much broader than many think. God shows himself in millions of ways. Just sitting by the ocean can be a spiritual experience. Now, if the person who experiences that wonder begins to seek out who is behind the beauty and wonder, the Spirit will continue to work, until the individual either finds the truth or rejects it in favor of some false religion or becomes cynical and atheistic. That's just one example. So, I believe God works in every heart to the point where they could discover the biblical truth.

I've gotten way off topic......

 

[Renniks]

So, when "the Word (who is God) became flesh" he became a created being?

That makes no sense. If he always existed, he can't become a created being. He put on flesh, but he had no beginning.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

That makes no sense. If he always existed, he can't become a created being. He put on flesh, but he had no beginning.

Exactly correct.

 

[Renniks]

I've gotten way off topic......

Not really. It's relevant to the discussion, because calvinists see grace as irresistible, therefore in thier system, why would God convict anyone who he didn't cause to accept him? Yet the Spirit works on many who refuse him.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Hebrews 10:5 KJV
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The writer is quoting from the messianic psalm40
The ot sacrifices are being fulfilled and done away by the Lamb of God.