Heresy within Christianity

[Yehren]

God did not say that Adam would die that day.

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There you are; that's exactly what God told him. You need to be accurate when you refer to Scripture.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I don't see how you could be confused by that. After all, Christ's death and resurrection didn't save us from physical death. We will all die someday. He saved us from a spiritual death, as Paul knew quite well. If it was a physical death that was taken from us, no follower of Jesus would die physically.

Nothing you have said convinces me to move off my foundation that the literal text of the Bible is God's Word to mankind. So if God told Adam that if he ate the fruit he would die, He meant that Adam would become a mortal man, live out his life and then die, which Adam did, 900 years later.

All you can do is go around in circles, repeat yourself, in the desperate attempt to disprove what God has literally said. All you are telling me is "Did God really say that Adam would become a mortal man and die one day?" I read somewhere that a talking snake asked a certain woman, "Has God really said that you would die?"

 

[mjrhealth]

hmmm

 

[Paul Christensen]

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There you are; that's exactly what God told him. You need to be accurate when you refer to Scripture.

That's right. Adam surely died 900 years later. The Scripture does not say: "for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die the very day you eat it", which is how you are reading the Scripture. If God meant that, He would have said it that way, but He didn't.

 

[Paul Christensen]

hmmm

What he is trying to say is that God told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit they would die spiritually and not physically, because he believes that death was present before Adam came on the scene, and that only spiritual death resulted from Adam's disobedience.

All he is doing is to try and justify evolution, and he is not doing a good job of it. He's struggling for answers because we are standing on our firm foundation that the literal text of the Bible is absolutely true and accurate and is what God actually said. And he knows that he is not succeeding at convincing us with his answers.

 

[mjrhealth]

That's something some men added to God's word to make it more acceptable to them. It's not in scripture.

I suppose that what God created was perfect, He looked and saw it was good, what has perfection to do with death, that would make it imperfect and it would not be any good at all.

 

[Enoch111]

Still like to know where us white people come from, we are the odd ones out in all this.

Japheth was the ancestor of Caucasians.
The sons of Japheth:
Gomer [Welsh, Cimmerians, Cymbrians Gauls, Cappadocians]
and Magog [Scythian, Armenian, Central Asians]
and Madai [Media, Persia]
and Javan [Ionia, Greece]
and Tubal [Eastern Turkey]
and Meshech [Russia]
and Tiras [Thracians, Etruscans]
(Gen 10:2)

 

[mjrhealth]

Japheth was the ancestor of Caucasians.
The sons of Japheth:
Gomer [Welsh, Cimmerians, Cymbrians Gauls, Cappadocians]
and Magog [Scythian, Armenian, Central Asians]
and Madai [Media, Persia]
and Javan [Ionia, Greece]
and Tubal [Eastern Turkey]
and Meshech [Russia]
and Tiras [Thracians, Etruscans]
(Gen 10:2)

Do you have teh photographs ???

 

[Paul Christensen]

Do you have teh photographs ???

There are place names and and other clues that suggest it. But is there any other explanation?

 

[Yehren]

I suppose that what God created was perfect,

He doesn't say so.

He looked and saw it was good, what has perfection to do with death

He said it was "very good", not "perfect." Now, in the universe He made, was evil. Do you suppose He couldn't make a universe without evil?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

This obviously means "evil" in the sense of afflictions and suffering, but not sin, which is the doing of creatures He made. Do you think He had to create death and suffering? Do you think He had to created creatures He knew would sin?

Job 40:1 And the Lord answering Job out of the whirlwind, said: [2] Gird up thy loins like a man: I will ask thee, and do thou tell me. [3] Wilt thou make void my judgment: and condemn me, that thou mayst be justified?

 

[Yehren]

There are place names and and other clues that suggest it. But is there any other explanation?

Without evidence, not really much to go on, here.

 

[Dcopymope]

Do you think He had to created creatures He knew would sin?

Yes, otherwise, he wouldn't have, simple.

 

[Yehren]

The Scripture does not say: "for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die the very day you eat it",

Rather it says:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.

He will, God says die in the day that he eats from the tree. No way to dodge it. That's God's word. Instead of trying to find a loophole to get around Him, just accept His word as it is. All you can do is go around in circles, repeat yourself, in the desperate attempt to disprove what God has literally said.

 

[Yehren]

Yes, otherwise, he wouldn't have, simple.

So God is not omnipotent, in your view. He's unable to make a universe in which there would be no sin? You very sure of that? Or are you trying to decide for God what He wanted in His universe?

 

[Yehren]

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

There you are; that's exactly what God told him. You need to be accurate when you refer to Scripture.

That's right. Adam surely died 900 years later.

But that's not what God said, is it? God said he'd die in the day he ate from the tree. Not 900 years later. That day, God said.

You're trying to find a way to make God say "you'll die many years after you eat from the tree." If God meant that, He would have said it that way, but He didn't.

 

[mjrhealth]

He doesn't say so.



He said it was "very good", not "perfect." Now, in the universe He made, was evil. Do you suppose He couldn't make a universe without evil?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

This obviously means "evil" in the sense of afflictions and suffering, but not sin, which is the doing of creatures He made. Do you think He had to create death and suffering? Do you think He had to created creatures He knew would sin?

Job 40:1 And the Lord answering Job out of the whirlwind, said: [2] Gird up thy loins like a man: I will ask thee, and do thou tell me. [3] Wilt thou make void my judgment: and condemn me, that thou mayst be justified?

So God created us in His image , I guess your God isnt perfect

 

[Dcopymope]

So God is not omnipotent, in your view. He's unable to make a universe in which there would be no sin? You very sure of that? Or are you trying to decide for God what He wanted in His universe?

I'm not "deciding" anything for God, HE decided that. Are you ignoring the scriptures that plainly states his decision that there would be a need for atonement for our sins before he even created the heavens and the earth? You're screwing with me, I know you are, right? When God said the creation was "very good", that also meant "without sin". However, if you are insinuating that the creation could have been created impervious to sin like God, then you are sorely mistaken, because God says that:

(Isaiah 43:10-11) "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. {11} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

Now are there any others like God Yehren? Its a simple question.

 

[mjrhealth]

There are place names and and other clues that suggest it. But is there any other explanation?

Thats assumption, no one knows and we probably never will, but wont change Gods plan for our salvation.

 

[Paul Christensen]

He doesn't say so.



He said it was "very good", not "perfect." Now, in the universe He made, was evil. Do you suppose He couldn't make a universe without evil?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

This obviously means "evil" in the sense of afflictions and suffering, but not sin, which is the doing of creatures He made. Do you think He had to create death and suffering? Do you think He had to created creatures He knew would sin?

Job 40:1 And the Lord answering Job out of the whirlwind, said: [2] Gird up thy loins like a man: I will ask thee, and do thou tell me. [3] Wilt thou make void my judgment: and condemn me, that thou mayst be justified?

Splitting hairs. You are trying to make out that God did not create a perfect world. You are saying that God does not do all things well, as the Scripture says. Also the number 7 in Scripture stands for perfection - didn't you know that?

 

[prism]

He will, God says die in the day that he eats from the tree. No way to dodge it. That's God's word. Instead of trying to find a loophole to get around Him, just accept His word as it is. All you can do is go around in circles, repeat yourself, in the desperate attempt to disprove what God has literally said.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a Young Earther.

And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
(Gen 1:31)