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[Waiting on him]

"Renniks

Notice how you selectively choose words to deny the full implications of Calvinism. "What God has designed comes to pass exactly as he purposed it."
Sure it does! Amen! God can do what he wants, no arminian disagrees. But, that's not what your theology says. It doesn't stop there, but says God purposed everything by his decree. Not just that what God decides to do comes to pass, that's obvious. God decides to create and he does. He decides to destroy almost everyone in a flood and he does in response to their wickedness, which he did not purpose and in fact, he says he regrets creating them because of their actions. In the same way, he says that when his people sacrificed their children to idols, it never entered his mind that they would do such a thing.

Jeremiah 19:4 They have burned incense in it to other gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have ever known. They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal— something I never commanded or mentioned, nor did it ever enter My mind.

God is not the god of determinism. He's not Aristotle's unmoved mover.

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Your appologetics is for dead men,,,,,, when it should be for Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

Christ alone....... Isn't this one of your solas????

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Renniks

Notice how you selectively choose words to deny the full implications of Calvinism. "What God has designed comes to pass exactly as he purposed it."

I choose my words from scripture,lol....
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Sorry, you did not recognize it.

Sure it does! Amen! God can do what he wants, no arminian disagrees

.

No...you do not agree at all.

But, that's not what your theology says. It doesn't stop there, but says God purposed everything by his decree. Not just that what God decides to do comes to pass, that's obvious. God decides to create and he does. He decides to destroy almost everyone in a flood and he does in response to their wickedness, which he did not purpose and in fact, he says he regrets creating them because of their actions. In the same way, he says that when his people sacrificed their children to idols, it never entered his mind that they would do such a thing.

Jeremiah 19:4 They have burned incense in it to other gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have ever known. They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal— something I never commanded or mentioned, nor did it ever enter My mind.

I said you do not understand anthropomorphic language, and you do not, it is obvious.
If you do not understand it, you will not understand the God of the bible.

God is not the god of determinism.

Calvinists do not believe in determinism. You do not understand that.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Your appologetics is for dead men,,,,,, when it should be for Christ.[/QUOTE]

What does that even mean?Any link I offer is by men who were totally CHRIST CENTERED.

 

[Waiting on him]

Your appologetics is for dead men,,,,,, when it should be for Christ.

What does that even mean?Any link I offer is by men who were totally CHRIST CENTERED.[/QUOTE]
Calvin was a murderer, and the men who stood on his shoulders enslaved the negros and murdered countless native Americans...


All in the name of Jesus of course

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Christ alone....... Isn't this one of your solas????

What is this series of cryptic tweets...post what is on your mind.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Arrogance is not listed anywhere in scripture as a gift of the Holy Spirit

Exactly, it's the work of your own flesh.

.... As a matter of fact scripture states He only says what He here's of the Father yet you all look to dead men to inform you of what you believe,,,,,,,,,this is sad,,,,,,,,,,.

"What he here's?" It's "hears" my friend. Anyhow, love the above straw man and failed attempt to ridicule others!

Hey, aren't you the same guy who says Christ is created? Your dead man Arian would be proud you're following him.

By the way, any godly men of the past we arrogant ones learn from aren't dead, they're much more alive than we are. God isn't the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

What does that even mean?Any link I offer is by men who were totally CHRIST CENTERED.

Calvin was a murderer, and the men who stood on his shoulders enslaved the negros and murdered countless native Americans...


All in the name of Jesus of course[/QUOTE]

Can you show any post where I quoted from Calvin? perhaps you could post it.
Rather than discuss scripture, you suggest I go over American history?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

@Waiting on him did you know Moses was a murderer? And David? And Saul?

And that Calvin wasn't?

Better tear up the writings of Moses, David, and Paul, they're murderers!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Calvin was a murderer,

Nope. Paul, David and Moses were though and they were more Calvinist than Calvin.

and the men who stood on his shoulders enslaved the negros and murdered countless native Americans...

Non sequitur

All in the name of Jesus of course

Non sequitur

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Nope. Paul, David and Moses were though and they were more Calvinist than Calvin.



Non sequitur




Non sequitur

Is he a Russelite?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Is he a Russelite?

Sounds likely. He and Jane like their Jesus creature doctrine. It keeps godhood within reach. One can create her own planet, the other can become one of the 144,000. All this can happen if they hold their mouths just right.

 

[Renniks]

As I said, it could have gone one of two ways...we see you are void of understanding....not a problem, tomorrow is another day. Describing your posting as it is is not flaming or goading. Your sad posts do it all by themself.
We notice you cannot respond to the biblical portions offered, so you try and deflect and accuse...lol.
I knew you had no response, but I was hoping you would work through the verses.
Not quite up to it ...lol I understand.

I'm quite up to it. And if you can't see your own condescending tone, you are willingly blind.

 

[Renniks]

"Renniks

Notice how you selectively choose words to deny the full implications of Calvinism. "What God has designed comes to pass exactly as he purposed it."
Sure it does! Amen! God can do what he wants, no arminian disagrees. But, that's not what your theology says. It doesn't stop there, but says God purposed everything by his decree. Not just that what God decides to do comes to pass, that's obvious. God decides to create and he does. He decides to destroy almost everyone in a flood and he does in response to their wickedness, which he did not purpose and in fact, he says he regrets creating them because of their actions. In the same way, he says that when his people sacrificed their children to idols, it never entered his mind that they would do such a thing.

Jeremiah 19:4 They have burned incense in it to other gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have ever known. They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal— something I never commanded or mentioned, nor did it ever enter My mind.

God is not the god of determinism. He's not Aristotle's unmoved mover.

[/QUOTE]
? Why the quote with no answer?

 

[Waiting on him]

Sounds likely. He and Jane like their Jesus creature doctrine. It keeps godhood within reach. One can create her own planet, the other can become one of the 144,000. All this can happen if they hold their mouths just right.

I wasn't trying to ridicule anyone, you guys are a testimony of yourselves.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I wasn't trying to ridicule anyone, you guys are a testimony of yourselves.

Apparently the only one giving testimony of ourselves is coming from you and your false testimony of ourselves.

Your wig needs powdering, my friend.

 

[Waiting on him]

? Why the quote with no answer?[/QUOTE]
May take a while, you understand they have to go read what some individual wrote some 4 too 500 years ago. Incapable of self think

 

[Waiting on him]

Apparently the only one giving testimony of ourselves is coming from you and your false testimony of ourselves.

Your wig needs powdering, my friend.

So

Is he a Russelite?

I was only trying to inform you of some of the righteous fruits produced of the men you seem to admire so, same I do with the RCC

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

So

I was only trying to inform you of some of the righteous fruits produced of the men you seem to admire so, same I do with the RCC

really which of the men who wrote the 1689 killed native Americans?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

So...I was only trying to inform you of some of the righteous fruits produced of the men you seem to admire so, same I do with the RCC

Could you rethink the above and retype it in a coherent sentence?