Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Renniks]

No - it's just that YOU can't seem to produce any evidence that Mary had other children.
Pointing to the "Adelphoi" of Jesus simply shows us that He had relatives.

Try again . . .

Did you get a vacation from The forum or something? You really have nothing of substance to add, I see. Same old distortions.

 

[Renniks]

Nope, but I was ALWAYS a human - and so is Jesus.
Bu, He also happens to be GOD.

Jesus wasn't always human. You are starting to sound like a cultist.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Did you get a vacation from The forum or something? You really have nothing of substance to add, I see. Same old distortions.

"Same old distortions" that you can't answer . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus wasn't always human. You are starting to sound like a cultist.

WRONG.
Jesus was ALWAYS human. The Son wasn't.

The Son always existed eternally with the Father. When He was manifested in the flesh and came to earth as the Man-God (Theanthropos), He was named "Jesus" - and Mary is His mother. She gave birth to the Man-God - not just a man.

 

[Renniks]

WRONG.
Jesus was ALWAYS human. The Son wasn't.

The Son always existed eternally with the Father. When He was manifested in the flesh and came to earth as the Man-God (Theanthropos), He was named "Jesus" - and Mary is His mother. She gave birth to the Man-God - not just a man.

The son ( Jesus) (Immanuel- God with us) exists forever and has no mother.

 

[Taken]

No - heresy is when people like YOU try to redefine the nature of God to fit YOUR limited understanding.
You can't "change" God - no matter HOW hard you try . . .

"Heresy" has nothing to do with the Nature of God"!

You might try an in depth study of ACTS 24, with a compentant Teacher...to Learn "who" is the one who "uses" the "term" "HERESY" against others, and the basis for that Term.

While the "intent" of one "using" the TERM, "Heresy" is to "accuse an other", and "expect" the use of that term, to "carry the weight" of "Guilty by Accusation".

In Fact, accusing one of Heresy, It's NOT a flattering reflection on the "one" who uses that Term against another.

And yes, the TERM "Heresy"...is an ancient man-made TERM...(likely started by Catholics, who like to take the credit for all Ancient Church activities)...
Which simply means, if you "challenge" any of their teachings...you should be accused of "disagreement" and declared guilty...and kicked to the curb...Until IF and WHEN you will Agree to go along with whatever "they" say, WITHOUT...question.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Nope, but I was ALWAYS a human - and so is Jesus.
Bu, He also happens to be GOD.

Humans were Created.

So explain your Theory, how two complete Opposites:
One...God, NOT CREATED,
And
The Same One...God, IS a CREATED "HUMAN"

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And unless you don't believe that Jesus is God - the problem is YOURS to figure out . . .

Not a problem for me.
Nothing to Figure out.
I don't falsely claim God "has" a mother.
God is eternal Without Mother or Father.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

The son ( Jesus) (Immanuel- God with us) exists forever and has no mother.

That's NOT what the Bible says . . .

John 2:1
And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and THE MOTHER OF JESUS was there.

John 19:26-27
When JESUS SAW HIS MOTHER there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.”

Luke 1:31
And behold, YOU WILL CONCEIVE IN YOUR WOMB and bear a son, and YOU shall call his name Jesus.

YOUR problem is with the Word of GOD - not with me . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

"Heresy" has nothing to do with the Nature of God"!

You might try an in depth study of ACTS 24, with a compentant Teacher...to Learn "who" is the one who "uses" the "term" "HERESY" against others, and the basis for that Term.

While the "intent" of one "using" the TERM, "Heresy" is to "accuse an other", and "expect" the use of that term, to "carry the weight" of "Guilty by Accusation".

In Fact, accusing one of Heresy, It's NOT a flattering reflection on the "one" who uses that Term against another.

And yes, the TERM "Heresy"...is an ancient man-made TERM...(likely started by Catholics, who like to take the credit for all Ancient Church activities)...
Which simply means, if you "challenge" any of their teachings...you should be accused of "disagreement" and declared guilty...and kicked to the curb...Until IF and WHEN you will Agree to go along with whatever "they" say, WITHOUT...question.

Glory to God,
Taken

WRONG.

Virtually EVERY heresy begins with a perversion of the nature of God.
This is true for Arianism, Gnosticism, Nestorianicm, Montanism, Manicheanism, Sabellianism - take your pick.

Being up to your neck in heresy - YOU refuse to accept this fact . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Humans were Created.

So explain your Theory, how two complete Opposites:
One...God, NOT CREATED,
And
The Same One...God, IS a CREATED "HUMAN"

Glory to God,
Taken

I couldn't fully explain that to you - any more than I can fully explain God to you.
YOU can't fully explain God either.

I DO know that He is capable of ANYTHING He wills.
YOU don't . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not a problem for me.
Nothing to Figure out.
I don't falsely claim God "has" a mother.
God is eternal Without Mother or Father.

Glory to God,
Taken

Like I've been saying ALL along:
Either you believe that Jesus is God - or you don't.

If Jesus isn't God and is just a human - then there is NO issue. Mary is the other of just another a human.
HOWEVER - if Jesus IS God and He was born of Mary - then she IS His mother.

You can't have it BOTH ways . . .

 

[Paul Christensen]

And that's the REAL tragedy here - isn't it . . .

The real tragedy is that those who mix faith with good deeds and are hoping to receive pardon through their good deeds, will be found guilty for failing to keep the Ten Commandments and be sentenced to God's eternal prison without parole. The only Person who will be able to give them a pardon will be Jesus Christ, and He will give it only for those who put their full trust in God's grace and mercy through a total trust in Jesus through faith.

It is like a person who comes before a judge charged with rape. He might tell the judge that although he is guilty of rape, he has done many good deeds since, like helping the poor, running a homeless shelter, working for the church, caring for orphans, etc. But the judge will say, "You are before me on the charge of rape, not for the good deeds you have done, therefore you have to be sentenced to prison for rape". In this way, because we have all broken the Ten Commandments by, at times in our lives, have lied, stolen, blasphemed, and looked at people with lust, we will be found guilty of being a lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterer at heart, and our good deeds won't help us avoid the inevitable sentence of incarceration in God's eternal prison without the possibility of parole.

That is the real tragedy for those who are depending on their good deeds mixed with faith, to get them through the judgment without being sentenced to hell for their sins.

 

[Taken]

I couldn't fully explain that to you - any more than I can fully explain God to you.
YOU can't fully explain God either.

I DO know that He is capable of ANYTHING He wills.
YOU don't . . .

LOL ... it is Obvious you don't Know Gods "WILL" Never Conflicts with His Truth!

God is without Beginning.
Humans are Created and Have a Beginning.

Facts are Fun!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not all Catholics believe that only they are saved (although they have softened that a little) but it is an official doctrine.

This is absolutely false.
WHO told you this nonsense??

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

Virtually EVERY heresy begins with a perversion of the nature of God.
This is true for Arianism, Gnosticism, Nestorianicm, Montanism, Manicheanism, Sabellianism - take your pick.

Being up to your neck in heresy - YOU refuse to accept this fact . . .

LOL - obviously, you are regurtating, and didn't bother to go study the Scripture about Heresy.

New new...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ... it is Obvious you don't Know Gods "WILL" Never Conflicts with His Truth!
God is without Beginning.
Humans are Created and Have a Beginning.
Facts are Fun!

Glory to God,
Taken

So are LIES, apparently, to some . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL - obviously, you are regurtating, and didn't bother to go study the Scripture about Heresy.
New new...

Glory to God,
Taken

As I stated earlier - being neck-deep in heresy yourself - you can't really understand . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The real tragedy is that those who mix faith with good deeds and are hoping to receive pardon through their good deeds, will be found guilty for failing to keep the Ten Commandments and be sentenced to God's eternal prison without parole. The only Person who will be able to give them a pardon will be Jesus Christ, and He will give it only for those who put their full trust in God's grace and mercy through a total trust in Jesus through faith.

It is like a person who comes before a judge charged with rape. He might tell the judge that although he is guilty of rape, he has done many good deeds since, like helping the poor, running a homeless shelter, working for the church, caring for orphans, etc. But the judge will say, "You are before me on the charge of rape, not for the good deeds you have done, therefore you have to be sentenced to prison for rape". In this way, because we have all broken the Ten Commandments by, at times in our lives, have lied, stolen, blasphemed, and looked at people with lust, we will be found guilty of being a lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterer at heart, and our good deeds won't help us avoid the inevitable sentence of incarceration in God's eternal prison without the possibility of parole.

That is the real tragedy for those who are depending on their good deeds mixed with faith, to get them through the judgment without being sentenced to hell for their sins.

No - tragedy is in actually thinking that faith is "belief".
Unfortunately for YOU - the Bible disagrees with this Protestant perversion.

James 2:19 tells us that even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God. If ALL you do is "believe" - then you are NO better off than they are.
TRUE faith = Belief + Obedience (Works).

It's not faith AND works.
Works/obedience are an essential element of Faith.

 

[Taken]

Like I've been saying ALL along:
Either you believe that Jesus is God - or you don't.

If Jesus isn't God and is just a human - then there is NO issue. Mary is the other of just another a human.
HOWEVER - if Jesus IS God and He was born of Mary - then she IS His mother.

You can't have it BOTH ways . . .

I don't have it Both Ways.

Jesus Christ IS God,
Jesus IS Not a Human.
Jesus appeared, in the Likeness as a man.

God is without Beginning.
God has no mommy or daddy.

Mary was a human.

This has been discussed in depth with you, with Verifying Scriptures.

Glory to God,
Taken