Are You Free From The Law?

[Joseph77]

Let us hope we hear no more about it. Christians are not under the law!

what?
Most Christians are not even under Jesus !

Follow Jesus.

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes, Abraham kept God's commandments.. That was before the written laws of Moses.
I would say the same commandments Abraham kept.

Would you also say that the commandments Abraham kept, is the same as the Law of Moses?

 

[Elihoenai]

The circumcision of the flesh represented being accepted in the Old Covenant. They broke that covenant and
God divorced them in Jer. 3:8. God left Shiloh because of their idolatry and continually breaking the Old Covenant
laws.

A little over a thousand years later God left Jerusalem because of the same lawless practices of Judah in Jerusalem.
God passed judgment on Jerusalem for their wickedness just like He did to Shiloh in Jer. 7:12-14. That was the very
reason that the Old Covenant was passing away and the New Covenant was being installed.

Now... everyone has to be circumcised under the New Covenant by God. God is the only one that can circumcise our
hearts. It consists of cutting (the flesh) from our hearts so we can practice walking in the spirit. We are circumcised
with the circumcision made without hands (a God thing)!

Logabe

Romans 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


Because certain of Israel were disobedient does not make the Law of Elohim/God (Law of Moses) of none effect. In the Wilderness all were disobedient concerning the Law apart from Joshua, Caleb and the young children with them. You must be Joshua and Caleb!

 

[Giuliano]

Would you also say that the commandments Abraham kept, is the same as the Law of Moses?

Almost yes, but we should realize that the law of Moses is in human language and thus has the limitations of human languages. When men study the Written Torah given by Moses, they need to be seek the spirit of the law behind the written words.

 

[Cooper]

what?
Most Christians are not even under Jesus !

Follow Jesus.

If that is the case, we need to preach "Jesus Saves" not the law of Moses.
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[Joseph77]

If that is the case, we need to preach "Jesus Saves" not the law of Moses.
.

So? If someone listens to Moses, they accept Jesus.
IF someone rejects Moses, they reject Jesus.

As Jesus says.

(paraphrased)

 

[mjrhealth]

So? If someone listens to Moses, they accept Jesus.
IF someone rejects Moses, they reject Jesus.

As Jesus says.

(paraphrased)

What has the law to do with gentiles, it was never given to us, why are you so adamant on condemning people to death along with your self.

 

[Joseph77]

Your own words is what you are judged by.

 

[Helen]

If that is the case, we need to preach "Jesus Saves" not the law of Moses.
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Agree.
A person does wonder WHY some people long for and cling to, the Law of Moses. When Jesus Himself showed that the law of Moses was swallowed up and fulfilled in the Two Great Commandments He gave.

Maybe they think that the law of Moses is easier to keep than the Law Of Love!!
Jesus took the sting...all He asks for is for Love for Him and neighbour.

The simplicity of the gospel ...but no, they would much rather make it complicated. ( and demand something that God took 4000 yrs to prove to man that it could not be done! )
The ONLY way we can fulfil all, is by being found "in Him"...because He and He alone met all the requirements of Father.

 

[Joseph77]

The ONLY way we can fulfil all, is by being found "in Him"...because He and He alone met all the requirements of Father.

Who gave HIS WORD to HIS PEOPLE ?

 

[Davy]

now lets talk the bolded part And put it up with this, as paul said.

Gal 3: 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, f]">[f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

And in Galatians 5 Paul further EXPLAINED his meaning...

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Paul gave a condition there to not be under the law.

Only IF... we be led by The Holy Spirit, i.e., WALK by The Holy Spirit, only then... are we not under the law!

Though our Lord Jesus nailed the blood and ritual ordinances in the law to His cross, a whole bunch of God's laws He did not remove. And it's that which helps His people to govern against the lawless and ungodly.

The fruit of The Spirit is not against God's law, which IF we follow it we won't be doing anything that is against God's law. And that is how we are not under the law. But again, ONLY IF we walk by The Holy Spirit and don't do those things that are against God's laws.

 

[Joseph77]

And in Galatians 5 Paul further EXPLAINED his meaning...

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Paul gave a condition there to not be under the law.

Only IF... we be led by The Holy Spirit, i.e., WALK by The Holy Spirit, only then... are we not under the law!

Though our Lord Jesus nailed the blood and ritual ordinances in the law to His cross, a whole bunch of God's laws He did not remove. And it's that which helps His people to govern against the lawless and ungodly.

The fruit of The Spirit is not against God's law, which IF we follow it we won't be doing anything that is against God's law. And that is how we are not under the law. But again, ONLY IF we walk by The Holy Spirit and don't do those things that are against God's laws.

True.

And by TORAH, adultery was a transgression.

And by JESUS, THINKING about adultery (desire in the heart ) IS A TRANSGRESSION.

So, which is more difficult ?

Which is stricter ? TORAH, or JESUS ?

 

[Davy]

You are right on the surface, but Paul was speaking of physical circumcision in Romans 2, and he was teaching us
how to be a spiritual Jew. Why? Because we become a citizen of the Kingdom when we believe in the King of the
Kingdom. In other words, we are justified when we believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world, and he died on the
cross for our sins. We are a believer!

Paul's idea wasn't really about being a spiritual Jew, but about the concept of 'spiritual Israel', as he showed in Romans 9:6-8. The name 'Israel' is the actual Salvation name to represent God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.

Right after God blessed Jacob and gave him the new name Israel, he setup a pillar stone and anointed it, and called it Beth-El which means House of God. God's promise to him involve Jacob's seed becoming a nation and "a company of nations". That's about The Gospel of Jesus Christ. So no way... is the name Jew going to climb in ascendancy over that name Israel.

 

[Davy]

True.

And by TORAH, adultery was a transgression.

And by JESUS, THINKING about adultery (desire in the heart ) IS A TRANSGRESSION.

So, which is more difficult ?

Which is stricter ? TORAH, or JESUS ?

Yet God promised to write His laws in our hearts and minds, and He gave us The Holy Spirit Comforter to help us and teach us. So it's not a following of the letter of God's law like the Pharisees were doing. It's about communion with Christ directly now, not needing an earthly priesthood to intercede for us. Christ now is our only Mediator to The Father in our behalf.

 

[Joseph77]

Yet God promised to write His laws in our hearts and minds

Yes, see Romans 2 -
people (gentiles) WITHOUT the TORAH, who DO what TORAH SAYS, are JUSTIFIED (BY GOD).
They show by their lives that GOD HAS WRITTEN TORAH on their HEARTS ! HALLELUYAH !

 

[Cooper]

So? If someone listens to Moses, they accept Jesus.
IF someone rejects Moses, they reject Jesus.

As Jesus says.

(paraphrased)

That was in regard to the coming of the Messiah. Jesus had a new message.
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[Cooper]

Who gave HIS WORD to HIS PEOPLE ?

Jesus is the WORD.

 

[Cooper]

True.

And by TORAH, adultery was a transgression.

And by JESUS, THINKING about adultery (desire in the heart ) IS A TRANSGRESSION.

So, which is more difficult ?

Which is stricter ? TORAH, or JESUS ?

There is forgiveness in Jesus, the redeemer.
His yoke is easy.
.

 

[Joseph77]

God and the Jews | Jews | Lamb and Lion Ministries

God and the Jews
It was through the Jewish people that God gave the world His Word. And it was through the Jews that He sent the Messiah.

 

[Joseph77]

There is forgiveness in Jesus, the redeemer.
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Yet most of the world remains not forgiven. Why ? (according to all Scripture)