The doctrine of the trinity, it's origins
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thanks for the reply, but not my view but God's view, it is the Lord Jesus, the only true God, who sits as King,and High Priest.
PICJAG.
Waiting on him
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Okay, so in revelation one approaches Him that sits on the throne and takes a scroll from Him?
Waiting on him
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yes, in Chaper 5, and the One who takes the book out of his "RIGHT HAND" is the "ROOT" of David.... not the offspring of David, it's the Holy Spirit, the LAMB, the comforter, and not the the Lamb of, of, of, God, see the difference, and this is the beauity of "Diversified Oneness". yes, when Jesus rose it was the "Spirit" Jesus himself who raised that body, supportive scripture, John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body. so yes, when one read the scriptures that say "God" raise up Jesus, yes, because Jesus is the diversity of himself in flesh. follow me?
if you have question please ask. this is the correct thing to do.
PICJAG.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body. so yes, when one read the scriptures that say "God" raise up Jesus, yes, because Jesus is the diversity of himself in flesh. follow me?
if you have question please ask. this is the correct thing to do.
PICJAG.
yes, and correct, but not physically standing, but the term hand means in "POWER". why for "all power has been GIVEN unto him. so Stephen didn't see two persons, on he only saw one, the Lord Jesus who is God.
PICJAG.
Waiting on him
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I guess it is possible
Not following, seems as if your placing this as John seeing this prior to the crucifixion, because if he John is seeing Him Jesus as the root of David. .., He's not born yet?
understand he is GLORIFIED with the Spirit he had in the begining "before" the world, scripture, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
see Jesus is "Spirit that took on a body, before he had a body of flesh he was "Spirit without flesh/a Body. understand.
so what John saw was the risen christ in Glory of the Spirit, what rose was not NATURAL, understand the Lamb of God had flesh and blood, but the "Lamb" has no blood, the Spirit. so what John saw was the Spirit with a Body "changed", resurrected, and ... Glorified, that's why he, Jesus had to go away, so he my return as the Spirit who comfort us.
see in Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". he sits as High priest,that's his diversified State as a man, which is the offspring. but the Root is sent into all the earth... the Holy Spirit... the Root, the seven Spirits, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
who was sent into all the earth? right the Holy Spirit.
this is Good that someone is asking question.
PICJAG.
Waiting on him
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let me say this unto PW. the Spirit of God, whom many calls Father is the Father. see that prepositions "of" as in the spirit "of" God.listen, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned.
lets break this down in laymans terms. the Subjective of God.... The Spirit of God means, THAT'S God. the Holy Spirit. example, if I say the spirit "of" 101G, THAT'S 101G.
now the Objective of God.... the Spirit "of" Christ, this is God, the Holy Spirit, "diversified" in flesh, THAT'S God.
see it now?.
PICJAG.
lets break this down in laymans terms. the Subjective of God.... The Spirit of God means, THAT'S God. the Holy Spirit. example, if I say the spirit "of" 101G, THAT'S 101G.
now the Objective of God.... the Spirit "of" Christ, this is God, the Holy Spirit, "diversified" in flesh, THAT'S God.
see it now?.
PICJAG.
no one and nothing, God is a Spirit, he needs no seating, no seat, no building can hold him, and two why do a Spirit need to sit?
but, but, but. God who now have a body, (Glorified), can sit, but not now, because his present is in the world as comforter. and as the diversified Spirit, in that ... "GLORIFIED" body he will sit, when the Kingdom is delievered up. so Christ the Offspring, the son of man "SITS" until the Kingdom is delievered up and then and only then will the Father sit ... and notice sit with HIM Jesus IN, IN,IN, his Throne. why? scripture, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.". the fruit of his, David, body is Christ.... (smile), and when he, the Holy Ghost, the Father deliver up the Kingdom then the fulness of the Godhead which reside in that ONE BODY, will sit as one, supportive scripture, Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads". NOTICE, the scripture states we will see .... "HIS" face, not their "faces".... see it now?.
PICJAG.
Why is it always the ones who play the 'that's just what Scripture says' card, are typically the worst exegetes?
Seriously, I would never employ that type of argumentation knowing how problematic, paradoxical and controversial interpreting Scripture can be.
I've laid out some fundamental contentions about the trinity doctrine, i.e. the redundancy in God's ontology, the futility of God playing Judge, Legislator and sacrifice. The lack of trinitarian nomenclature throughout the entirety of Scripture. Not a single conversion took place using a trinitarian formula or creed. Not a single prayer or doxology from the most eminent men within the Bible, ever mention a triune god. When Paul lays out the demands of the Atonement, not once does he delineate that it required a god-man to redeem us, but emphatically, he expounds the contrary (below quote).
And you say that I deny Scripture.
You are fanatical and dogmatic in your beliefs. I don't believe that God will appreciate you treating His Word in such a radical and reckless manner.
Romans 5:14-21
5:14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. 15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Thanks for you advice....I have concluded that when something causes confusion such as this that the only way to get the truth is from Him.
Except that there was no cause for confusion until the heretics decided to attack the deity of Christ and the related doctrine of the Trinity. The Bible does not give us any reason to doubt these truths. The truth comes from God through His written Word, which is the Father's testimony concerning the Son.
1 JOHN 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
It would seem that you have not believed the record and testimony of God regarding His Son. Hence your desire to read "The Pagan Origins of the Trinity Doctrine" (which should have been thrown in the trash bin).
Dcopymope
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So we now have two different cults run amok on this site now, we have the diversified oneness cult that supplants the Father as God Almighty with his Son, and we have the other cult that denies the deity of Jesus altogether, claiming that he is not at all of the God head as the spoken word. If the latter is true, then the sacrifice was in fact not without blemish as was required for a sacrifice to be acceptable to God, and we are still in our sins. Either way, with every false doctrine I see, it always inevitably comes down to it being a salvation issue.
I researched the origin of the Trinity Doctrine....it is what I do when there is possible evidence of human error in interpretation. Your scriptures you have presented are not applicable to this situation. We are to test everything to know if it is of God or not.
I seek Truth always, this is paramount to keeping ourselves from being deceived from false teachings and false doctrines.
There have been numerous errors in interpretation of His Word and we are the ones responsible to seek out those errors.
well is is not the truth that the one whom you call Lord, the Son is the same one Person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "MADE ALL THINGS?". is this not the Truth .... well
if you're going to tell the truth then answer it. by TRUTH. is not the Person whom you call the Son the "Word" of John 1:3 is the Same Person who Made "ALL THING" according to Isaiah 44:24 yes or no,
let's see who is telling the "TRUTH".
PICJAG.
well if "diversified Oneness" a cult, the SAME TRUTH goes to you, if the "Word" in John 1:3 the same Person in Isaiah 44:24 a yes or no will do. here is your big chance to shut a so-called cultist mouth. well ..... your answer please. see, you can easly stop this run amok ....
just answer the question with truth.PICJAG
You continue to hold to your warped idea of the Godhead. There are THREE divine Persons in the Godhead, yet He is ONE GOD. All you have to do is accept this by faith. And all the Scriptures you have quoted show that while the Son was designated as the Creator, the Godhead was fully involved in creation. Thus Genesis 1:1 focuses on the Godhead, while John 1:1 focus on Christ the Word.
so is this the same person in John 1:3 that was "Alone", and "By Himself", in Isaiah 44:24. so is this the same person yes or no?
no vain babbling, just answer the question
PICJAG.
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