SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

[n2thelight]

Who says that it didn't? Seth is the fallen, punished line.

Cain was the son of God line. Cain was not punished. He could no longer live in the Garden. The last one to leave.

No He was not,Seth is the line that Christ came through...Thinking that was a miss post

 

[Paul Christensen]

Genesis 3:24
24 So he drove the man out,
Where does it say his sons had to leave?

So, it is obvious that the angel with the flaming sword was there to guard the tree of life, situated at the east of the garden. That's granted.

So, the only answer is that the whole region at the time as the Garden of Eden, and people multiplied and moved away from the region to establish themselves in other regions. So, there is a valid point that Cain and Abel were still in the area of Eden, but not in the actual place where the tree of life was.

Then, after Cain killed Abel, he married either one of his sisters or any of his brothers' children, and went to the land of Nod. After all, in the many years after Cain and Abel were born, people were very fertile and many more children were born, so by the time Cain and Abel were mature men, the then known region was well populated.

 

[n2thelight]

I wonder what version of the Bible you are reading. This stuff doesn't appear in any version of the Bible I am reading (KJV, RSV, NIV, ESV, NEB, NASB, Jerusalem Bible).

Cains line are the kenites till this very DAY!!!!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Where does it say they had any sons when they were in Eden?

I think that Eden was the region, and the actual Garden where the tree of life was a limited area within it. Adam and Eve were ejected from the precinct of the tree of life, but still remained in the Eden region and had more sons and daughters there, and as the population increased, they spread out over the then virgin lands and established themselves in their own regions. That's how Cain went to the land of Nod, because by the time he went there, the population had greatly increased and that area had a sizeable population.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Cains line are the kenites till this very DAY!!!!

Okay. No problems there.
But Seth's line was the one that led to Noah, not Cain's.

 

[Timtofly]

So, it is obvious that the angel with the flaming sword was there to guard the tree of life, situated at the east of the garden. That's granted.

So, the only answer is that the whole region at the time as the Garden of Eden, and people multiplied and moved away from the region to establish themselves in other regions. So, there is a valid point that Cain and Abel were still in the area of Eden, but not in the actual place where the tree of life was.

Then, after Cain killed Abel, he married either one of his sisters or any of his brothers' children, and went to the land of Nod. After all, in the many years after Cain and Abel were born, people were very fertile and many more children were born, so by the time Cain and Abel were mature men, the then known region was well populated.

How can that be? Seth was born when Cain could have been almost 100 himself. Seth was Eve's third child. Now who is just making things up with no verses as proof.

 

[Paul Christensen]

How can that be? Seth was born when Cain could have been almost 100 himself. Seth was Eve's third child. Now who is just making things up with no verses as proof.

If Adam lived for 900 years, we would be able to believe that Cain lived to a similar age. You don't really believe that Adam and Eve didn't have sex for 100 years! Come on! And they were very fertile and there was no birth control in those days. You know, some people switch their brains off when thinking about would really have happened. So, Seth was born 100 years after Cain was born. So what? Seth is mentioned because he was a significant figure in the genealogical line that led through Noah to Christ. The Bible mentions just one basic genealogical line and ignores the rest. Although it is entirely accurate in its history, it is not comprehensive in mentioning every single child born from Adam and Eve other than that they had many sons and daughters.

 

[Paul Christensen]

How can that be? Seth was born when Cain could have been almost 100 himself. Seth was Eve's third child. Now who is just making things up with no verses as proof.

So Adam used a condom, or Eve went on the pill to stop them having children for a 100 years? Come on! It is as ridiculous as the senseless notion that Mary went on the pill to stop her having children after Jesus, in spite of being an ordinary married couple enjoying all their activities on the marriage bed in the years they were married.

 

[Dcopymope]

I think that Eden was the region, and the actual Garden where the tree of life was a limited area within it. Adam and Eve were ejected from the precinct of the tree of life, but still remained in the Eden region and had more sons and daughters there, and as the population increased, they spread out over the then virgin lands and established themselves in their own regions. That's how Cain went to the land of Nod, because by the time he went there, the population had greatly increased and that area had a sizeable population.

I keep it real simple, its all explained with the verse below.

(Genesis 4:1-3) "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. {2} And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. {3} And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD."

How much time passed between the time she birthed Cain and Abel and the time Cain KO's Abel is anyone's guess. It could have been ten, twenty, fifty, or even closer to the time they birthed Seth, which was 130 years into Adams life.

 

[Timtofly]

If Adam lived for 900 years, we would be able to believe that Cain lived to a similar age. You don't really believe that Adam and Eve didn't have sex for 100 years! Come on! And they were very fertile and there was no birth control in those days. You know, some people switch their brains off when thinking about would really have happened. So, Seth was born 100 years after Cain was born. So what? Seth is mentioned because he was a significant figure in the genealogical line that led through Noah to Christ. The Bible mentions just one basic genealogical line and ignores the rest. Although it is entirely accurate in its history, it is not comprehensive in mentioning every single child born from Adam and Eve other than that they had many sons and daughters.

Then stating that Cain and Abel were born before sin is also justified. Because I am not the one making things up.

Adam was created to be let's say 20, a mature adult. 5 years later God gave him Eve. He was 25 she was 20. They had a son Cain. Five years later, they had a son Abel. Adam was 30, Eve was 25, Cain was 5. They lived for 40 years. Adam was 70, Eve was 65, Cain was 45, Abel was 40. Adam sinned. Adam and Eve left. Cain was still 45 and Abel was 40. 20 years later, Abel dies. Cain was 65. Adam was 90, Eve was 85.

If you want to say Adam had daughters between Abel and Seth that is fine.

Since chapter 4 does not say when Adam sinned and how old Adam was when Cain was born, one cannot just assume that chapter 4 happens any time after chapter 3. There is some overlap where ages make a huge difference.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I keep it real simple, its all explained with the verse below.



How much time passed between the time she birthed Cain and Abel and the time Cain KO's Abel is anyone's guess. It could have been ten, twenty, fifty, or even closer to the time they birthed Seth, which was 130 years into Adams life.

So, do you really believe that Adam wore some type of condom to stop Eve getting pregnant in all the times they had sex over the 130 years?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Cains line are the kenites till this very DAY!!!!

That's serpent seed doctrine that states Satan had intercourse with Eve, then Adam also had intercourse with Eve, Cain was Satan's offspring, Abel was Adam's offspring. It's a vile doctrine that has no place in any christian's belief system.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Then stating that Cain and Abel were born before sin is also justified. Because I am not the one making things up.

Adam was created to be let's say 20, a mature adult. 5 years later God gave him Eve. He was 25 she was 20. They had a son Cain. Five years later, they had a son Abel. Adam was 30, Eve was 25, Cain was 5. They lived for 40 years. Adam was 70, Eve was 65, Cain was 45, Abel was 40. Adam sinned. Adam and Eve left. Cain was still 45 and Abel was 40. 20 years later, Abel dies. Cain was 65. Adam was 90, Eve was 85.

If you want to say Adam had daughters between Abel and Seth that is fine.

Since chapter 4 does not say when Adam sinned and how old Adam was when Cain was born, one cannot just assume that chapter 4 happens any time after chapter 3. There is some overlap where ages make a huge difference.

Illogical. It is the same as saying that Winston Churchill was born after the second world war, because we can't depend on history being concurrent events, but events could be out of the order of what was written.

 

[Dcopymope]

So, do you really believe that Adam wore some type of condom to stop Eve getting pregnant in all the times they had sex over the 130 years?

No, I just don't see a reason to believe that they had any children before Satan came along and ruined it all for them. It certainly didn't take long at all for that to happen.

 

[Paul Christensen]

No, I just don't see a reason to believe that they had any children before Satan came along and ruined it all for them. It certainly didn't take long at all for that to happen.

There is no indication in Genesis 1-3 that they had any children before the Fall. They had Abel and Cain after they were ejected from where the tree of life was. We don't know how many children Adam and Eve had before or after Cain and Abel because we are not told. I can't believe that even if Cain and Abel were the first born, Adam and Eve never had sex and other children by the time Cain and Abel became mature men. We don't know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain killed Abel. Life spans were much longer then because the genetic codes were much purer, and our shorter life spans is because our genetic codes are running down, and it is predicted that in around a million years, human life will become extinct because the genetic codes would be so degraded that man would not be able to survive.

So Adam and Eve would be very fertile and would be having many sons and daughters throughout their whole lives, and their children and children's children would be just as fertile. By the time Adam and Eve had reached near the end of their lives, they would be the ancestors of millions of descendants. I did a calculation and estimated that the population of the then known world in around 300 years would be in excess of 67 million descendants.

 

[Dcopymope]

There is no indication in Genesis 1-3 that they had any children before the Fall. They had Abel and Cain after they were ejected from where the tree of life was. We don't know how many children Adam and Eve had before or after Cain and Abel because we are not told. I can't believe that even if Cain and Abel were the first born, Adam and Eve never had sex and other children by the time Cain and Abel became mature men. We don't know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain killed Abel. Life spans were much longer then because the genetic codes were much purer, and our shorter life spans is because our genetic codes are running down, and it is predicted that in around a million years, human life will become extinct because the genetic codes would be so degraded that man would not be able to survive.

So Adam and Eve would be very fertile and would be having many sons and daughters throughout their whole lives, and their children and children's children would be just as fertile. By the time Adam and Eve had reached near the end of their lives, they would be the ancestors of millions of descendants. I did a calculation and estimated that the population of the then known world in around 300 years would be in excess of 67 million descendants.

Uh huh, well "in the process of time" before Cain went upside his brothers head, we don't know how many children they could have had is what I'm saying. They along with their offspring could have easily had a ton by the time Cain got uppity.

 

[JunChosen]

To the OP only.

It is so sad to see confessing Christians bicker among themselves when they themselves lack knowledge in the things of God (Hosea 4:6).

I have not seen anyone here try to define the term "Sons of God." Perhaps if I started with a verse or two the meaning might come to light.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John Chapter 1

The sons of God are all born again Christians as also defined by Jesus in John 3:3.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Timtofly]

To the OP only.

It is so sad to see confessing Christians bicker among themselves when they themselves lack knowledge in the things of God (Hosea 4:6).

I have not seen anyone here try to define the term "Sons of God." Perhaps if I started with a verse or two the meaning might come to light.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John Chapter 1

The sons of God are all born again Christians as also defined by Jesus in John 3:3.

To God Be The Glory

It is kind of hard to do when Satan has blinded people's hearts and minds to the truth, and ruined Genesis with sex, lies, and murder, when it could be stated that God has grace and forgiveness.

The sons of God were all the other humans except for Adam's family. People cannot even accept Cain and Abel were sons of God.

I guess people will remain in darkness and sin until it is too late.

 

[Paul Christensen]

To the OP only.

It is so sad to see confessing Christians bicker among themselves when they themselves lack knowledge in the things of God (Hosea 4:6).

I have not seen anyone here try to define the term "Sons of God." Perhaps if I started with a verse or two the meaning might come to light.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John Chapter 1

The sons of God are all born again Christians as also defined by Jesus in John 3:3.

To God Be The Glory

I wouldn't call it bickering. After all, what's a forum about? People sharing and debating their various ideas and insights into the things of God. If everyone agreed with each other, this forum would not even exist.

 

[Dcopymope]

To the OP only.

It is so sad to see confessing Christians bicker among themselves when they themselves lack knowledge in the things of God (Hosea 4:6).

I have not seen anyone here try to define the term "Sons of God." Perhaps if I started with a verse or two the meaning might come to light.

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John Chapter 1

The sons of God are all born again Christians as also defined by Jesus in John 3:3.

To God Be The Glory

I'm sure we all know that, at least we should by now. I already brought this up in one of my earlier posts. Jesus is the ONLY reason why any human can be called a son of God. Before Jesus, the only human that was ever called a Son of God was Adam, because he was fashioned by God himself. This henceforth only leaves us with the angels being referred to in Gen 6, who were also fashioned by God, so why this is even a matter of contention is beyond me.