Are You Free From The Law?

[mjrhealth]

I have a question with regards that phrase... How do we know what works are ordained of God? And are we to exclude God's commandments? Wouldn't obedience to God's commandments be included in God ordained good works?

Now you are back to trying to justify the Law and again undoing all the good works of Christ, the LAW is WORKS your own.

This is your work

Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

but just like all religions, all you do is seek to find a reason to justify your religion, havnt you noticed it is all you do, Christ is not a religion. What has religion to do with Christ. Your religion is just another of thousand claiming to be the right one, there is only one Bride and She is not a religion nor a Harlot.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Will you never come out of Egypt

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I'm glad you liked Paul's post MJR. I did too. In fact, I would imagine there would be very few Christians who would suggest that their works are what saves them, oh, except maybe for Yeheren and his fellow Catholics although even they would be reluctant I imagine to claim their works alone are what saves them. Still working through that issue with Yeheren who seems to think that love is what saves us. Catholics go seem rather reticent in admitting that without the blood of the Lamb there can be no remission.

I'm the above post, Paul made a comment with which we all agree, quote,

I have a question with regards that phrase... How do we know what works are ordained of God? And are we to exclude God's commandments? Wouldn't obedience to God's commandments be included in God ordained good works?

Yes. Repentance and forsaking of the works of the flesh, and conducting ourselves according to the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Good grief. No wonder your theology is so flawed and messed up - you appear to lack the fundamental ability to comprehend the text. 1Cor 6:11 does NOT say the believers in question were STILL committing those sins - it actually says the OPPOSITE - “And such WERE some of you” - which means the believers STOPPED committing the sins Paul mentions in v. 9-10.

Furthermore, in verse 9, Paul says “the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God” and then describes various sins - meaning, those who practise such sins are “unrighteous” and will not be saved. Paul delivers the same message in Gal 5, where he warns believers that those who commit the sins he mentions “will not inherit the kingdom of God”. Again, it appears you have a problem comprehending the text. You don’t understand when Paul is referring to the uselessness of works alone (eg, Titus 3:5) and when he’s referring to salvation through faith and works (eg, 1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5).

Good grief,

your so quick to shut me down your not thinking

the book of corinthians is chastening the corinthian church who were involved in sexual sin

 

[Joseph77]

Good grief,

your so quick to shut me down your not thinking

the book of corinthians is chastening the corinthian church who were involved in sexual sin

In general it appears on this site, that when the veil is still in place, or worse (whatever worse might be),

the unveiling of the truth, the enlightening God brings in Jesus and His Word,

is unwelcome.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’re partly correct, I guess … except the Catholic Sacrament of Penance doesn’t depend on the blood of animals, but on the blood of Jesus Christ. Through this Sacrament, Jesus forgives our sins through His representative, the priest (John 20:19-23).

It’s not the blood of Christ plus

that’s where your sacrament is powerless

as Jesus said,
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

he did not require blood plus, they children of Isreal did not look up plus do a sacrament, you look up to jesus in faith your saved

nicodemus eventually got it will you?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

our works count for nought.

So you say you do have works. And you say they count. Count for nought you say. For nought according to what? Let's hear you say.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Are you free from the Law? Of the Law that says, You shall not or you'll die-- never. Why never? Because you need that Redeemer that says, You shall live and you'll live-- forever.

 

[mjrhealth]

So you say you do have works. And you say they count. Count for nought you say. For nought according to what? Let's hear you say.

Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

men love to boast

 

[RogerDC]

at the Judgment. We will be judged according to our failure to keep the Ten Commandments, which are not the Mosaic Law but God's moral law written in His own handwriting on the tablets of stone. We can do all the good works in the world, but that will not erase the crime that we have committed against God by transgressing against His moral law

I see. So if I stole ten cents, but donated $10,000 to charity, I will be judged solely on the ten cents I stole. Boy, I'm sure glad I won't be judged by
your unjust and stupid God!!

 

[RogerDC]

And there are a lot of religious people undermining God Christ and all there good works for the sake of there religions, and men stuck in bondage to there religions because there religions have made them slaves and kept them in bondage, to that you will stand and have to answer. as Jesus put it,

If a believer is not bound by any laws, how did Judas end up in Hell?

 

[mjrhealth]

If a believer is not bound by any laws, how did Judas end up in Hell?

You dont know HE did, Like I said. Love. you do know God is love, why do you have such a problem with Love, ??? He is not a vindictive murderer as religion would make Him out to be, fear nothing to do with faith, but its is what keeps men stuck in there religions.

 

[RogerDC]

Yes. Repentance and forsaking of the works of the flesh, and conducting ourselves according to the fruit of the Spirit.

What happens if a believer gives in to every temptation and sins? Is he still saved? If so, what is the point of repenting and forsaking the works of the flash, etc?

Can a married believer commit adultery with a hundreds of mistresses and still be saved, for example? Can a homosexual believer who spends a life-time having "sex" with other men be saved?

 

[RogerDC]

You dont know HE did, Like I said. Love. you do know God is love, why do you have such a problem with Love, ??? He is not a vindictive murderer as religion would make Him out to be, fear nothing to do with faith, but its is what keeps men stuck in there religions.

Why does Jesus tell certain believers in Matt 7:21-23, "I never knew you" and condemn them to Hell for their "lawlessness"?

 

[Rita]

I have been looking at Abraham over the last few days, but you do realise that he was saved through grace and faith in what God was relaying to him about Jesus, long before the law was given.
The people of Israel, those who were enslaved, were redeemed FIRST , the law came later ......
The law did not save them
The law did not redeem them
The relationship between them and The Lord already existed before the law was given.......

What I found interesting we’re Ismael and Isaac
Tow pictures of salvation .......
Ismael was born according to the flesh , the result of human reasoning , sinful effort, mans way ( best human effort/ reasoning ) Helping God and presuming he cant do it without us.

Isaac- The result of Gods promise , trusting God in his promise alone , mans helplessness reaching out for divine help .........

The Israelites were brought into a relationship with God, which they were to respond to out of gratitude - the law was an expression of that act, the law doesn’t have any power to save. The law was given to them later as guidelines on how to protect themselves - it’s relevant and valid, but if you place the law higher than redemption then you are choosing to be an Ismael rather than an Isaac !!!

Just some thoughts from a study I was doing yesterday .........
Rita

 

[mjrhealth]

Why does Jesus tell certain believers in Matt 7:21-23, "I never knew you" and condemn them to Hell for their "lawlessness"?

Hmm why do you have such a problem with Love,.;... The Religious Jesus upset everyday, because the though by there actions and doings they where righteous, they where lawless, as Jesus put it.

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth

and than we have

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

confusing isnt it, maybe its time you asked Christ...

 

[Paul Christensen]

I see. So if I stole ten cents, but donated $10,000 to charity, I will be judged solely on the ten cents I stole. Boy, I'm sure glad I won't be judged by
your unjust and stupid God!!

You will be judged for being a thief, just like in any court of law, and you will be sentenced for theft, regardless of how much you give to charity. Would you call a criminal court judge for convicting and sentencing the thief? I guess not, especially if you were the victim of the theft. I saw people convicted of theft in our District Court for stealing a loaf of bread from the local dairy! Just one violation of the Ten Commandments means you have broken the whole law and have to pay the just penalty. I like to see you call a District Court judge unjust and stupid! You'd end up behind bars for contempt of court! Is God's justice any less than that?

And calling our God of justice unjust and stupid is actually blasphemy and you will be judged for that as well.

 

[Paul Christensen]

What happens if a believer gives in to every temptation and sins? Is he still saved? If so, what is the point of repenting and forsaking the works of the flash, etc?

Can a married believer commit adultery with a hundreds of mistresses and still be saved, for example? Can a homosexual believer who spends a life-time having "sex" with other men be saved?

If a person says he is a Christian and continues in willful sin of any kind, he is nothing more than a hypocrite. There is a difference between struggling with temptation through the weakness of the flesh, and deliberately and knowingly breaking the Ten Commandments when able not to.

 

[Rita]

I realise that my voice is not that loud on the forum, and my words may not be heard in the same way....... however one thing that is often missed when discussing breaking the law, is the impact bad choices have on a persons life, or on other people’s lives.
Gods people ( OT ) were redeemed, but boy did they go wrong at times , but they had to face the consequences of those actions- and that often had long term impacts ........... many people who break the guidelines ( and that is what I personally prefer to see them as ) live in their own private hells , lose freedom, relationships, trust....... Whether it’s wilful, or a weakness , repentance doesn’t mean ‘ no consequences, no damage ‘ ..........also it does damage the ability to witness to others, to be trusted.
Christians live with regrets and consequences, but , like the people of God in the OT, they often had to learn the hard way that actually the law was given to them for their benefit, not Gods, but they were still redeemed.
Rita

 

[Paul Christensen]

I realise that my voice is not that loud on the forum, and my words may not be heard in the same way....... however one thing that is often missed when discussing breaking the law, is the impact bad choices have on a persons life, or on other people’s lives.
Gods people ( OT ) were redeemed, but boy did they go wrong at times , but they had to face the consequences of those actions- and that often had long term impacts ........... many people who break the guidelines ( and that is what I personally prefer to see them as ) live in their own private hells , lose freedom, relationships, trust....... Whether it’s wilful, or a weakness , repentance doesn’t mean ‘ no consequences, no damage ‘ ..........also it does damage the ability to witness to others, to be trusted.
Christians live with regrets and consequences, but , like the people of God in the OT, they often had to learn the hard way that actually the law was given to them for their benefit, not Gods, but they were still redeemed.
Rita

The law's function is to reveal our sin and is our tutor to lead us to Christ. Once we have put our trust in Christ the law has fulfilled it's role and no longer has any crucial role in our salvation. But once saved, we forsake the works of the flesh and order out subsequent conduct according to God's moral law so we are not seen by the world as hypocrites.

 

[mjrhealth]

Just one violation of the Ten Commandments means you have broken the whole law and have to pay the just penalty. I like to see you call a District Court judge unjust and stupid! You'd end up behind bars for contempt of court! Is God's justice any less than that?

And in that one statement you just did away with Grace and all the good works of Christ There was a reason grace came into this world, because God looked at man and saw that we could not do this ourselves, no matter how many boast they can,

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.