Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?

[Joseph77]

I got my Interlinear Greek New Testament out and made an interesting discovery. I responded to part one of our friend's lengthy defence of the KJV version of 1 John 5:7, and you might find it interesting reading.

Is that version more interesting than all the others, or is there one that is more interesting than that ?

(If you will print out the text, we can all see what it says)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There are scriptures that say the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
There are scriptures that say the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.
There are scriptures that say Jesus raised Himself from the dead.

Therefore, it was the Trinity that raised Jesus from the dead.

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

important is: ”no man takes my life from Me, but I lay it down of myself.” Consider all born after the Spirit and not of the will of the flesh can say “no man takes it from me” as the word says “do not fear what men can do to the body”. Who gave the Son power in “This commandment have I received of my Father.”?

John 1:11-13 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Hardly could any born after the flesh can say they have power to raise from the dead, or “no man takes my life from me, but I lay it down of myself”: except “as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God”.

 

[Waiting on him]

GINOLJC, to all.
the topic of the OP is, "Is my salvation based upon my knowledge of the Trinity?", I have read many of the post here, and some, not all, are from half truth, which is a full lie in disguise, to down right misunderstanding. (which some just don't understand, but that's ok). to answer the topic question, NO. but, but do one need to know God the SAVIOUR, or lets be blunt here, ... JESUS .... YES. so having knowledge of the doctrine of the trinity is not prerequisite for salvation, but KNOWING the truth of who God is. for SALVATION is not based on a LIE, but TRUTH. so if the trinity concering who God is is TRUE, then your salvation is secure, because your "BELIEF" is based on TRUTH. for "BELIF" means, an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. so if the trinity is a statement TRUTH your salvation is TRUE.

the flip side is this, if the statement of the TRINITY is NOT "TRUE", then your SALVATION is based on a LIE, and then one's "BELIEF" is NOT TRUE. if One's beliefs in JESUS is not true, (based on a statement of a LIE), then one has no part in him, JESUS, the Saviour. for you "KNOW" him not, nor he know you. for salvation is based on "TRUTH in God the Saviour, Jesus the Christ. this is concering salvation. and SALVATION is based on the Foundation of TRUTH. a lie has no foundation, and so not TRUE.

once one has escaped, "SAVED", now one can add.
2 Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2 Peter 1:6 "And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2 Peter 1:7 "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2 Peter 1:8 "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.e
2 Peter 1:9 "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2 Peter 1:11 "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ".

so if one get the FIRST thing right, "BELIEF" the truth, then one is sure, and grow in christ. so to KNOW JESUS in "TRUTH" is "sure".

PICJAG.

@101G just wanted too say I appreciate your input, in my opinion it does make the scripture s harmonize, and is edifying.

Isaiah 63:5 KJV
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

Where are the other two? Right there.

 

[101G]

@101G just wanted too say I appreciate your input, in my opinion it does make the scripture s harmonize, and is edifying.

Isaiah 63:5 KJV
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

Where are the other two? Right there.

Right, you see the truth now,
Isaiah 63:5 KJV And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". and yes, that "arm" of his, is the "OBJECTIVE", to his, (the Spirit), Subjective. for God manifested himself, (who as said is Spirit, "abstract"), made himself "contrete", by coming in flesh. supportive scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". WHO CAME? answer GOD.... no second person, no third person but the one person who is God. for beside him there is no God. BINGO.

oh if christian just understand that God who is "abstract", made himself "contrete" in flesh, (by sharing, coming in flesh), so that he could save man by dying on the cross, and rising in a glorified body, then we could be with God, as he said, "that I will walk amoung them, and be their GOD". and then we will be able to see, "HIS" face.... face ot face, Revelation 22:4.

PICJAG.

 

[Waiting on him]

Right, you see the truth now,
Isaiah 63:5 KJV And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". and yes, that "arm" of his, is the "OBJECTIVE", to his, (the Spirit), Subjective. for God manifested himself, (who as said is Spirit, "abstract"), made himself "contrete", by coming in flesh. supportive scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". WHO CAME? answer GOD.... no second person, no third person but the one person who is God. for beside him there is no God. BINGO.

oh if christian just understand that God who is "abstract", made himself "contrete" in flesh, (by sharing, coming in flesh), so that he could save man by dying on the cross, and rising in a glorified body, then we could be with God, as he said, "that I will walk amoung them, and be their GOD". and then we will be able to see, "HIS" face.... face ot face, Revelation 22:4.

PICJAG.

The elul, all Moses was allowed to see was the hinder part, kinda thinking this would explain the first five books, but now seeing face to face.
When and if it turns.
God bless

 

[DPMartin]

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no, your salvation is based on the Lord knowledge of you.


Luk 13:25　 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:　
Luk 13:26　 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.　
Luk 13:27　 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.　

but you should understand that:

Mat_28:19　 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


therefore if you are born again you know that the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father and these are in the Holy Spirit one is not without the others. one receives the Life the Son has because of the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Waiting on him]

Right, you see the truth now,
Isaiah 63:5 KJV And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". and yes, that "arm" of his, is the "OBJECTIVE", to his, (the Spirit), Subjective. for God manifested himself, (who as said is Spirit, "abstract"), made himself "contrete", by coming in flesh. supportive scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". WHO CAME? answer GOD.... no second person, no third person but the one person who is God. for beside him there is no God. BINGO.

oh if christian just understand that God who is "abstract", made himself "contrete" in flesh, (by sharing, coming in flesh), so that he could save man by dying on the cross, and rising in a glorified body, then we could be with God, as he said, "that I will walk amoung them, and be their GOD". and then we will be able to see, "HIS" face.... face ot face, Revelation 22:4.

PICJAG.

Lol the reason I started this thread was because the mods the one you started they removed on the Trinity which I was enjoying prior to those who are so ungrounded in their beliefs started crying as usual.

Then the mods post their statement of faith on the Trinity, which for whatever reason I found condemning... So here we are.

 

[101G]

(smile), Thanks. I appreciate that, the truth will go forth.

since we're here. one thing for you, if you will take this to mind. make the connection with.

A. Isaiah 63:5 and Isaiah 53:1-9. this eliminate any other person, second, or third.

Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me".

God's own Arm is him, the eternal spirit (shared in flesh), listen, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?". (right there is the Godhead answer, God's own ARM in Isaiah 63:5 is he himself, JESUS. who came and saved is Isaiah 35:4, for I come in my Father's Name).

Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:9 "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth".

BUT AS ISAIAH SAID "WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?". that's the crust of the matter, are we believing the truth or a lie.

PICJAG.

 

[Steve Owen]

I wish to make my salvation sure.

'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.' How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?
John 8:24. ".....If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
Colossians 1:15. 'He is the image of the invisible God.'
Colossians 2:9. 'For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.'

If you will seek the truth of the Trinity sincerely and prayerfully in God's word, in my experience God will reveal it to you there. Before I was saved, I had come under the influence of the J.W.s, and in my confusion I cried out to the Lord to show me the truth, and He did so, not in any sensational way, but in the pages of the Bible.

 

[101G]

'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.' How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?
John 8:24. ".....If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
Colossians 1:15. 'He is the image of the invisible God.'
Colossians 2:9. 'For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.'

If you will seek the truth of the Trinity sincerely and prayerfully in God's word, in my experience God will reveal it to you there. Before I was saved, I had come under the influence of the J.W.s, and in my confusion I cried out to the Lord to show me the truth, and He did so, not in any sensational way, but in the pages of the Bible.

thanks for the reply, you said, "How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?". I agree completly with that statement. now what you believe is your own business, but the business of the Lord Jesus is truth. with that said, may I aske you a question. "if the Lord Jesus dwell in our heart by the Spirit, is he not the Spirit? and if the Father dwells in us by the Spirit is he not the Spirit? is this correct? so please Identify which Spirit the Father and the Son dwells by?

thanks in advance.

PICJAG

 

[Angelina]

Because you assumed I read your post to @Enoch111 telling him not to post reams of information. Well, guess what? That's right, I didn't see nor had I read your post to him.

Okay then now we are clear...

 

[Joseph77]

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QUOTE="101G, post: 725992, member: 5023"]thanks for the reply, you said, "How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?". I agree completly with that statement. now what you believe is your own business, but the business of the Lord Jesus is truth. with that said, may I aske you a question. "if the Lord Jesus dwell in our heart by the Spirit, is he not the Spirit? and if the Father dwells in us by the Spirit is he not the Spirit? is this correct? so please Identify which Spirit the Father and the Son dwells by?[/QUOTE
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.... also, if someone is one with the son, and one with the Father, as the son and the Father are one, ....... who are they ?

 

[Grailhunter]

Okay then now we are clear...

Dear Lord....
Give Lady Angelina patience for these numb skulls!
Amen!

 

[Waiting on him]

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QUOTE="101G, post: 725992, member: 5023"]thanks for the reply, you said, "How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?". I agree completly with that statement. now what you believe is your own business, but the business of the Lord Jesus is truth. with that said, may I aske you a question. "if the Lord Jesus dwell in our heart by the Spirit, is he not the Spirit? and if the Father dwells in us by the Spirit is he not the Spirit? is this correct? so please Identify which Spirit the Father and the Son dwells by?[/QUOTE
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.... also, if someone is one with the son, and one with the Father, as the son and the Father are one, ....... who are they ?

Saved

 

[Waiting on him]

Oh sure, I see clearly what is going on at this site. Apostasy is rampant.

Some say it's contagious.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Okay then now we are clear...

It's clear to me that you assumed and jumped the gun. It's also clear that when one name calls you make certain to give them a like. Right? Yet, you're seeking "peace" on this site.

Yep, things are really clear.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.' How can you believe in Him if you don't know who He is?
John 8:24. ".....If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."
Colossians 1:15. 'He is the image of the invisible God.'
Colossians 2:9. 'For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.'

If you will seek the truth of the Trinity sincerely and prayerfully in God's word, in my experience God will reveal it to you there. Before I was saved, I had come under the influence of the J.W.s, and in my confusion I cried out to the Lord to show me the truth, and He did so, not in any sensational way, but in the pages of the Bible.

Yes, one cannot have a false Christ and have true salvation.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Some say it's contagious.

Get grounded in sound doctrine and stay there. You're not going to get any from the one's preachings false Christs, denying the trinity, and preaching their false gospels (works, we are gods, deciding ourselves saved by our own wills &c).

 

[Waiting on him]

It's clear to me that you assumed and jumped the gun. It's also clear that when one name calls you make certain to give them a like. Right? Yet, you're seeking "peace" on this site.
Crystal clear.

Yep, things are really clear.

 

[Waiting on him]

Get grounded in sound doctrine and stay there. You're not going to get any from the one's preachings false Christs, denying the trinity, and preaching their false gospels (works, we are gods, deciding ourselves saved by our own wills &c).

My primary concern is for people to see their gross depravity.