Bible verses most Christians refuse to believe
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People too often in too many things, as I see it, follow their own minds or the minds and ways of others instead seeking first things first. If we get their priorities right God will lead them us all of the way to Him.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33
The answer here is the same. If we seek first His kingdom and His righteousness continuously He will not fail to lead us anywhere else we should be going according to His order!
You question her "soteriology"? Why do people insist on using words like that. I have to look them up every time to even understand what they are saying. Here is the first Internet definition I found:
"Soteriology is the study of religious doctrines of salvation. Salvation theory occupies a place of special significance in many religions.
In the academic field of religious studies, soteriology is understood by scholars as representing a key theme in a number of different religions and is often studied in a comparative context; that is, comparing various ideas about what salvation is and how it is obtained."
It's a good thing God does not determine our final judgement based on our theological knowledge. I would doubtlessly be lost. Do you really believe that a person who does not know all of these things and is unable to effectively out argue you will as a result be lost?
God gave us what we have and what He gave each of us does differ from person to person. Is He a respecter of persons?
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I explained those verses to you once quite a while back. My memory is not that good these days, but I was thinking you were quite a bit younger and would remember... even if you disagreed. Have you forgotten my explanation? I am 76 years old.
Bobby Jo
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No, you make excuses for defying what Scripture DEMANDS. And you're old enough to know better than to DEFY SCRIPTURE.
There's a saying about "excuses are like", and there's no shortage of people who fit that depiction ...
Bobby Jo
I am now starting to remember why our conversation ended the last time.
Bobby Jo
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Yep. I cite Scripture which you don't want to obey, and you run away.
Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
So RUN from GOD. Don't OBEY, -- just KEEP RUNNING.
Bobby Jo
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Of course not!
But for the sake of discussion, well, it's good to have the vocabulary.
How would you think I would answer this question? You continually ask me this. Why?
For me when it is a word I constantly have to look up, LOL, it is bad. When I was young new things, including words, stuck easily, but I never heard words like that when I started reading and studying the Bible in English in 1976. It wasn't until I began visiting Christian forums on the Internet about 20 years ago that I first came across such words. By that time my brain was already having a hard time holding onto anything new, that I did not use very regularly.
The meaning of a great many Spanish and German words, especially as used in scripture, come to mind more readily than for some of these 'descriptive' English words. Of course I already was familiar with those and started reading Bibles regularly in those languages in 1978.
Because it is on my mind and I believe everyone who loves God should be reminded that God is fairer always than any man can be. That certainly means me and, I believe, every other person... Many will agree with their mouth, but then act as if He is a respecter of persons by what they expect from me or others.
I'm sorry, I just got used to using these terms. I'll need to keep in mind my intended audience, as communication doesn't happen if someone doesn't understand what I mean!
Much love!
I'm sorry if I come across that way!
That is one beautiful thing about God. He will judge me based on He and me, and nothing else. And not, how did I do keeping the list of rules, rather, well, it was C.S. Lewis, talking about something like not our circumstances and opportunities, not our handicaps and abilities, but our moral choices, that is what God will judge.
It IS very important to keep in mind! No one gets a free pass!
And even more so . . . As we put our views out there for others to receive and hopefully benefit from, I feel we put ourselves in the seat of the teacher, and let not many be teachers, knowing we shall receive the stricter judgment.
I suppose it's on the lines of, he who says he knows, is responsible to actually know.
Much love!
LOL , yes, remember that you have a few old duffers around like me. Sorry for the old word, 'duffer'. See below from the "free English dictionary":I'm sorry, I just got used to using these terms. I'll need to keep in mind my intended audience, as communication doesn't happen if someone doesn't understand what I mean!
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English dictionary definition of duffer. n. 1. Informal a. An incompetent or dull-witted person. b. A casual or mediocre player of a sport, especially golf. 2. Slang A peddler of cheap merchandise....
Really it is not you in particular. I believe that everyone who has not yet overcome completely as Jesus did is likely to still be a respecter of persons. It is the way of men to automatically compartmentalize people and in doing that some are placed up higher or down lower than others among all the ones in our mind. For God it means that He is always fair. Every person receives ultimately no less or more than another based upon what he has done with what he has received. I guess there are other places in scripture that explain it but this one nearly always comes to my mind:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48
Amen!
What are doing or have done with what we have or have been given. Another simple place to see it in scripture is in the parable of the talents.
Agreed, but there are a number on planet Earth and some here on this forum that will strongly disagree.
The Lord spoke of this to Ezekiel with regard to his duty with Israel:
"When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezek. 33:8-9
Those same words should apply to each person called by God to do a single work as a minister or a continuing ministerial work. In chapter 34 of Ezekiel it speaks specifically of "pastors". OT rather than NT, but God's attitude of fairness has never changed.
What is it that any of us deserve?
God provided access to His Word so that men, who received it could and would decide their own conclusion. Men who did not receive it would also be judged accordingly and fairly. The reason no one but God qualifies to render the ultimate judgement against a man is because He alone is always completely knowing with regard to everything about a person and is absolutely no respecter of persons.
There may be more who are not respecters of persons, as they simply live as Jesus says,
even if or though they have not overcome other troubles by far.
Also, It looks to me like most all of man's groups or organizations TEACH people to BE RESPECTERS of persons , in an ungodly way, as to 'prefer' one over another, in many ways, as if it is important too, to do that , in place or, or instead of , what God clearly says.
We need to put that in context. We DO get a free pass on sin, in that we are not condemned for it if we've died and raised with Jesus. But all our works will still be judged. Only not to our condemnation.
Much love!
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