To me, Reincarnation is being born all over again in a *corruptible* body as opposed to being Born Again in an Incorruptible or Glorified Body.
In other words, Reincarnation is a punishment, not a reward.
Reincarnation of Elijah
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In other words, Reincarnation is a punishment, not a reward.
Bobby Jo
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Which leads to this...
Revelation 20:13
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
We see that those that were in Hell are judged 'according to their works'.
Why?
If the Unsaved are going to 'burn forever', receiving the exact same punishment, why go through the hassle of not only tallying up their Works, but judging them by it?
After all, they all go into the same Lake of Fire don't they? Whether it's Hitler or that sweet Goth Girl that committed suicide the other day, they will both burn in the same manner correct?
How is that even fair?
Now you are faced with a choice...
- Invent special compartments in the Lake of Fire in which Hitler will receive more Brimstone than the Goth Girl.
- Realize that the Judgment is to hand out the proper sentence... IN THE NEXT LIFE.
Revelation 13:10
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
And the patience of the Saints is all about waiting to see Justice served over generations of Reincarnations.
Why is life better for some Christians and not others? You folks never can never give a simple, honest answer to that question.
I just did.
Bobby Jo
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Each has their own regrets to varying degrees -- in Fahrenheit and Centigrade --, and they're as Eternal in Hell as in Heaven.
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Thank Yah that he who digs a pit for others to fall into ends up in it himself eh
no kidding, sheesh
ha, would be huh, if it was meant literally?
I keep meaning to make a special thread on this.
Oddly enough, it was the study of DNA with regards to Lucifer and the Tabernacle in the Wilderness that led me to question Reincarnation.
I basically Reversed Engineered the entire process without realizing it.
Timtofly
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IT is a sad day in hell, when God is attributed with the beliefs of paganism.
If Satan is the Chief reincarnated being, why attribute John the Baptist as being like Satan, instead of just being the nephew of Jesus' mother Mary? Just because Jesus' disciples seemed confused, does not make their confusion reality. Demons were rampant at that time. Lost spirits of sinners entering into the bodies of the living. Demon activity may have caused the disciples to think that Elijah had entered John the Baptist. Do you have proof that the OT itself and the thought of the day was actual re-incarnation? Once again, did they think it was John the Baptist on the mount of transfiguration? Did they think he got his head back? No, they could not have confused the dead body with a totally different OT person. They associated the fact that Elijah was promised, even though Jesus said Elijah already came, that John the Baptist was the promised one, Not Elijah.
If Satan is the Chief reincarnated being, why attribute John the Baptist as being like Satan, instead of just being the nephew of Jesus' mother Mary? Just because Jesus' disciples seemed confused, does not make their confusion reality. Demons were rampant at that time. Lost spirits of sinners entering into the bodies of the living. Demon activity may have caused the disciples to think that Elijah had entered John the Baptist. Do you have proof that the OT itself and the thought of the day was actual re-incarnation? Once again, did they think it was John the Baptist on the mount of transfiguration? Did they think he got his head back? No, they could not have confused the dead body with a totally different OT person. They associated the fact that Elijah was promised, even though Jesus said Elijah already came, that John the Baptist was the promised one, Not Elijah.
Elijah never died so he couldn't have been reincarnated.
Also the resurrection of our bodes shows that reincarnation is impossible. If reincarnation were true each of us would have lived in more than one body. First Thessalonians 5:23 says, "Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." Salvation includes the redemption of our bodies as well as of our souls and spirits.
Now there is an especially important question. The Bible even has the answer (of course).
Before I reveal it, I think it would be pertinent at this time for Christians to ask that very question about the Two Witnesses.
If it’s True that the Two Witnesses will be two previous Prophets, Characters etc., whether they Reincarnate or appear by some other means, the fact remains that they will be killed.
What would One call that?
Is it punishment? Is it a ‘Suicide Mission’? Did they volunteer for the position or were they forced? Is it a form of Community Service? Is it a way to gain a ‘higher position’ in the Hierarchy of Heaven?
Hindu’s have ‘Caste System’ and often look down on others because they assume that an individual’s fate in life is because they ‘deserve to be there’. In other words, Karma.
Jesus taught that when One Reincarnates and ends up getting the ‘short end of the stick’ in life, that we shouldn’t be so quick to judge. We shouldn’t look down our noses at them and think to ourselves ‘well they obviously did something bad in a previous life’…
John 9:1-3
"And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."
The verse above is not only a reference to Reincarnation, but it also shows that the basic concept of Karma is Biblical as well.
By asking ‘who did sin’ with regards to the Blind Man, the Disciples were clearly referring to a past life. Jesus acknowledged this but said that in this particular case it wasn’t Karma or ‘reaping what One has sown’, but rather it was something Jesus referred to as ‘works of God made manifest’.
As to what that means, I’ll let you folks decide.
We covered this already.
Reincarnation has nothing to do with how an individual leaves this world, but how they re-enter it.
Thus we have...
- Reincarnation = Born again of corruptible flesh, in a completely different body.
- Resurrection = Raised in either the same corruptible body as before, or with a Glorified Body.
- Teleportation = Disappearing and/or reappearing in any form.
Now in the case of Elijah, Resurrection is not possible because Elijah never died. That leaves us with Reincarnation or Teleportation.
Jesus said that John *was* Elijah and since the Bible went way out of its way to let us know that John was born and not teleported, that leaves us with Reincarnation.
We all know what happened to John the Baptist.
Therefore, the only way for Elijah to show up again as one of the Two Witnesses is to be born again as a Human Being.
Timtofly
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Elijah appeared whole on the mount of transfiguration. Elijah is still whole today.
No re-carnation period. Stop saying that Jesus called John the Baptist, Elijah. Jesus was only referring to Elijah's ministry on earth in the OT. If you look, at Elijah the first time, it just says where he was from. No parents, no birth, this could indicate that it was Enoch, the one who cannot die. God changed his name to Elijah. There is no re-birth. He left this earth, was seen on the mount, and is still a witness in Heaven. Moses was also a witness, seen on the mount. Neither Moses nor Elijah have physically died, because God proclaimed that fact on the Mount of transfiguration. John the Baptist was only given the spirit of, meaning power was anointed to John for the purpose of John's ministry. No satanic principles for changing who the person of John the Baptist was. John the Baptist is still the best man at the wedding of the Lamb, and Elijah is still alive as one of the witnesses in heaven.
No re-carnation period. Stop saying that Jesus called John the Baptist, Elijah. Jesus was only referring to Elijah's ministry on earth in the OT. If you look, at Elijah the first time, it just says where he was from. No parents, no birth, this could indicate that it was Enoch, the one who cannot die. God changed his name to Elijah. There is no re-birth. He left this earth, was seen on the mount, and is still a witness in Heaven. Moses was also a witness, seen on the mount. Neither Moses nor Elijah have physically died, because God proclaimed that fact on the Mount of transfiguration. John the Baptist was only given the spirit of, meaning power was anointed to John for the purpose of John's ministry. No satanic principles for changing who the person of John the Baptist was. John the Baptist is still the best man at the wedding of the Lamb, and Elijah is still alive as one of the witnesses in heaven.
Oh my. I'm not allowed to quote this verse anymore?
Matthew 11:14
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"
Censorship is a sign that someone doesn't like the Truth.
Timtofly
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Jesus was being sarcastic to the unbelievers. It is unbelievers who accept a lie as the truth. Belief does not change any facts. All humans are free to believe whatever makes them more comfortable, even lies. Is Jesus wrong, or non-loving if he let's people believe what they want to believe? Currently the whole world is being deceived by Satan, even the elect. Is God without love, in letting Satan deceive us all? Where can faith and trust enter, if all believed the truth, instead of a lie?Oh my. I'm not allowed to quote this verse anymore?
Matthew 11:14
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"
Censorship is a sign that someone doesn't like the Truth.
I'd say none of the above. They will fulfill their purpose.
Disagree. I think it's a stretch to put reincarnation into those verses.
OK Friend of, I will show you Biblical Reincarnation from yet another perspective...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
As always, my first attempt at interpreting any verse in the Bible is to take it as literal as possible.
Thus, when God says someone will die *in the day* they eat, God means IN THAT DAY.
God doesn't mean a few days later, or a thousand years later. God means what He says... period.
Therefore, when Adam and Eve partook of the Forbidden Fruit, THEY DIED.
Now then, since Adam and Eve died on that very day, how in the world do we find them living out their lives and having Children?
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
As always, my first attempt at interpreting any verse in the Bible is to take it as literal as possible.
Thus, when God says someone will die *in the day* they eat, God means IN THAT DAY.
God doesn't mean a few days later, or a thousand years later. God means what He says... period.
Therefore, when Adam and Eve partook of the Forbidden Fruit, THEY DIED.
Now then, since Adam and Eve died on that very day, how in the world do we find them living out their lives and having Children?
Timtofly
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Adam is still waiting for his spiritual re-instatement. They died spiritually not physically. Really trying to strike a thousand....OK Friend of, I will show you Biblical Reincarnation from yet another perspective...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
As always, my first attempt at interpreting any verse in the Bible is to take it as literal as possible.
Thus, when God says someone will die *in the day* they eat, God means IN THAT DAY.
God doesn't mean a few days later, or a thousand years later. God means what He says... period.
Therefore, when Adam and Eve partook of the Forbidden Fruit, THEY DIED.
Now then, since Adam and Eve died on that very day, how in the world do we find them living out their lives and having Children?
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