Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??

[Joseph77]

Exactly. People need to know the consequences of not following Christ.

The Consequences of not following Christ. >>

"In those days before the flood people were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage until the very day that Noah went into the ark, and knew nothing about the flood

until it came and destroyed them all.

So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man."

Not by water, but by fire.

 

[reformed1689]

When?

When He Finds those people who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

No, it is literal from Genesis 1:1

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes! We see them here today!
2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Signs of the last days==There were 45 ongoing eruptions as of 17 April 2020, with eruptive activity from 52 volcanoes at some point so far this year.

 

[MattMooradian]

We have been in the last days for 2000 years! We should always be ready.

 

[GISMYS_7]

We have been in the last days for 2000 years! We should always be ready.

Are you and your church helping people to be ready to meet Jesus in the clouds or is the word rapture and return of Jesus ever talked about??

 

[Jay Ross]

Are you and your church helping people to be ready to meet Jesus in the clouds or is the word rapture and return of Jesus ever talked about??

Are you in a church helping people to be ready to meet Jesus at the GWTR judgement when it will occur without a fear of being "separated" from Him at that time or does you church teach another doctrine where the "saints" will be taken from the earth and not be refined as is recorded in the scriptures so as to be suitable at the time of the Judgement of all people.

I sense that you are so misguided that your "guides" can lead you by the nose into heresy.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Why not just believe God's Word on the catching up (rapture)??

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain """shall be caught up together""" with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words1 Corinthians 15:51- 57
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

[farouk]

We have been in the last days for 2000 years! We should always be ready.

Hi @MattMooradian ; the expectation to keep looking forward 'till He come' in in 1 Corinthians 11.26.

 

[GISMYS_7]

We have been in the last days for 2000 years! We should always be ready.

Yes! We see them here today!
2Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??
Jesus is telling the generation that sees all the signs He named would not die before His return. PTL. We are that generation. We are seeing the signs Jesus named Israel became a nation again after 2000 years May 15,1948 and the Jews are being brought back to their homeland Israel and the Jewish people regained control of Jerusalem July 1967 and we see the HUGE increase of man's knowledge and travel Bible prophecy talks about and the huge increase of big 6.0 + earthquakes and volcano eruptions worldwide, sink holes and the signs in the heavens=blood moons and weather changes, plague, pestilence!! Get ready to meet Jesus!!!

This is a Hal Lindsey thing from the Late Great Planet Earth. He was dead wrong! He said that within a generation of Israel's rebirth as a political state Christ would come back for his Church. That didn't happen. The interpretation was obviously wrong.

Few in our day seem to get it right, and I hope I do. I've been studying this for a very long time. And I've had to adjust my views several times. I used to reject out of hand the Preterists, but I take them more seriously now. I'm not a Preterist, but I do think they have this much right, that the Abomination of Desolation, referred to by Jesus, in his Olivet Discourse, refers to the desolation of the temple and of the city in 70 AD.

All the early signs, called "birth pains," were to precede and anticipate this event. Wars and rumors of wars would presage this event, and provide warning to the Jewish People that the Romans would turn on them because they aren't repentant. The Christians were to literally "flee" when they see the Roman legions gathering in the area, on "sacred ground." They would obliteraate the temple, and defeat the city. Many thousands of Jews would perish. Those who believed Jesus, and fled, would survive.

This doesn't mean that these initial "birth pains" would stop being future signs of the coming Kingdom. It's just that the "birth pains" part of the prophecy were just like "birth pains" are--of short duration, leading to a major event. In this case, the event would not be the rebirth of Israel, but rather, the judgment of Israel. It would be a pain that leads to further pain.

Not only so, but the fall of Jerusalem would lead to a period of time called "the Great Tribulation," which refers explicitly to the Jewish Diaspora of the NT age. Yes, the Great Tribulation is not just the last few years of the age, when Antichrist reigns, but much more, the longest punishment in Israel's history. The Jews would seem to be cast off throughout the entire NT age!

And so, Paul had to argue that Jews remain God's People. They just won't be saved, as a nation, until the 2nd Coming. Until then, Christians continue to be persecuted, and nations continue to be judged. There would also be the signs of natural disasters, as God warns nations of impending judgment--not just in the last day, but also throughout the age, when nations surpass the limits of God's patience.

This is how these things should be interpreted. Jesus spoke primarily to the Jews during his earthly ministry. But by extension it can apply well past the time of Israel to nations in the present age. Nothing will change until the Kingdom of Christ arrives.

 

[Timtofly]

This is a Hal Lindsey thing from the Late Great Planet Earth. He was dead wrong! He said that within a generation of Israel's rebirth as a political state Christ would come back for his Church. That didn't happen. The interpretation was obviously wrong.

Few in our day seem to get it right, and I hope I do. I've been studying this for a very long time. And I've had to adjust my views several times. I used to reject out of hand the Preterists, but I take them more seriously now. I'm not a Preterist, but I do think they have this much right, that the Abomination of Desolation, referred to by Jesus, in his Olivet Discourse, refers to the desolation of the temple and of the city in 70 AD.

All the early signs, called "birth pains," were to precede and anticipate this event. Wars and rumors of wars would presage this event, and provide warning to the Jewish People that the Romans would turn on them because they aren't repentant. The Christians were to literally "flee" when they see the Roman legions gathering in the area, on "sacred ground." They would obliteraate the temple, and defeat the city. Many thousands of Jews would perish. Those who believed Jesus, and fled, would survive.

This doesn't mean that these initial "birth pains" would stop being future signs of the coming Kingdom. It's just that the "birth pains" part of the prophecy were just like "birth pains" are--of short duration, leading to a major event. In this case, the event would not be the rebirth of Israel, but rather, the judgment of Israel. It would be a pain that leads to further pain.

Not only so, but the fall of Jerusalem would lead to a period of time called "the Great Tribulation," which refers explicitly to the Jewish Diaspora of the NT age. Yes, the Great Tribulation is not just the last few years of the age, when Antichrist reigns, but much more, the longest punishment in Israel's history. The Jews would seem to be cast off throughout the entire NT age!

And so, Paul had to argue that Jews remain God's People. They just won't be saved, as a nation, until the 2nd Coming. Until then, Christians continue to be persecuted, and nations continue to be judged. There would also be the signs of natural disasters, as God warns nations of impending judgment--not just in the last day, but also throughout the age, when nations surpass the limits of God's patience.

This is how these things should be interpreted. Jesus spoke primarily to the Jews during his earthly ministry. But by extension it can apply well past the time of Israel to nations in the present age. Nothing will change until the Kingdom of Christ arrives.

Just to point out people born before 1948 are still alive today. Not many as you can see, a lot of them are dying left to fend for themselves in nursing homes. Until that last human dies, you cannot claim Hal Lindsay false. It was not that 40 years would pass. It was that all those people were dead. There are still some alive today born in the 20's and 30's. 48 itself was only 72 years ago. We still have current President and candidates older than 72.

 

[GISMYS_7]

This is a Hal Lindsey thing from the Late Great Planet Earth. He was dead wrong! He said that within a generation of Israel's rebirth as a political state Christ would come back for his Church. That didn't happen. The interpretation was obviously wrong.

Few in our day seem to get it right, and I hope I do. I've been studying this for a very long time. And I've had to adjust my views several times. I used to reject out of hand the Preterists, but I take them more seriously now. I'm not a Preterist, but I do think they have this much right, that the Abomination of Desolation, referred to by Jesus, in his Olivet Discourse, refers to the desolation of the temple and of the city in 70 AD.

All the early signs, called "birth pains," were to precede and anticipate this event. Wars and rumors of wars would presage this event, and provide warning to the Jewish People that the Romans would turn on them because they aren't repentant. The Christians were to literally "flee" when they see the Roman legions gathering in the area, on "sacred ground." They would obliteraate the temple, and defeat the city. Many thousands of Jews would perish. Those who believed Jesus, and fled, would survive.

This doesn't mean that these initial "birth pains" would stop being future signs of the coming Kingdom. It's just that the "birth pains" part of the prophecy were just like "birth pains" are--of short duration, leading to a major event. In this case, the event would not be the rebirth of Israel, but rather, the judgment of Israel. It would be a pain that leads to further pain.

Not only so, but the fall of Jerusalem would lead to a period of time called "the Great Tribulation," which refers explicitly to the Jewish Diaspora of the NT age. Yes, the Great Tribulation is not just the last few years of the age, when Antichrist reigns, but much more, the longest punishment in Israel's history. The Jews would seem to be cast off throughout the entire NT age!

And so, Paul had to argue that Jews remain God's People. They just won't be saved, as a nation, until the 2nd Coming. Until then, Christians continue to be persecuted, and nations continue to be judged. There would also be the signs of natural disasters, as God warns nations of impending judgment--not just in the last day, but also throughout the age, when nations surpass the limits of God's patience.

This is how these things should be interpreted. Jesus spoke primarily to the Jews during his earthly ministry. But by extension it can apply well past the time of Israel to nations in the present age. Nothing will change until the Kingdom of Christ arrives.

OH! How many years is a generation? Paul wrote words inspired by God

 

[GISMYS_7]

There are many extremely specific signs of the second coming, but no signs specific to the rapture. There can't be. If there were, the event would not be imminent. "Imminent" does not mean it will happen in the next hour. Imminent means that it could happen in the next hour.

James 5:8 says, "The coming of the Lord is at hand." That was almost two thousand years ago, so how could he say, "is at hand"? In this case, "at hand" means imminent. The first part of the Lord's coming - the rapture - could happen at any time. That means there cannot be any signs yet to be fulfilled before the rapture. Otherwise, it would not be "at hand."

In Luke 12:40, Jesus said, "Be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect." Jesus did not say, "Look for signs and when you see them, get ready." He said, "Be ready."

If you expect to go in the rapture, you may wonder why signs should interest you. If we're seeing signs of events that will take place after the rapture - and we are - we should be looking up, because it means the rapture must take place very soon!

Hallindsey.com

 

[Randy Kluth]

Just to point out people born before 1948 are still alive today. Not many as you can see, a lot of them are dying left to fend for themselves in nursing homes. Until that last human dies, you cannot claim Hal Lindsay false. It was not that 40 years would pass. It was that all those people were dead. There are still some alive today born in the 20's and 30's. 48 itself was only 72 years ago. We still have current President and candidates older than 72.

No, I don't agree. Lindsey or others kept moving the goal posts. It started out w/ 40 years, and then 70 years. And now you want to extend it to what--103?

This is false doctrine. We were specifically told, when dealing with prophetic timing, not to try to anticipate distant future events. As the time draws near, however, and I agree it is drawing near, we can really start to notice the endtime pattern come into focus. None of this, however, has to do with predicting the day of Christ's return.

Jesus' Olivet Discourse was focused primarily on the fall of Jerusalem, which he said would happen in his own generation. He was asked to comment on how this fits into the 2nd Coming. Jesus said that before that day comes, lots of trouble will continue to characterize the age.

For the Jews, this trouble would intensify in 70 AD, when their temple was destroyed. It would begin a long season of diaspora for their nation, until when Christ returns their nation will be spiritually restored.

So no, Jesus was not talking about a future "generation" that would see all of the signs of the present age. He was not saying *that particular generation* would see the 2nd Coming.

No, he was saying that there would be specific "birth pain" signs that would all be in play before the *fall of Jerusalem* happens. Wars, rumors of wars, the Gospel going out to warn the world of coming judgment, Christian persecution, and evidence of divine judgment like earthquakes and storms, etc.--all these things would happen before the fall of Jerusalem. And these signs would continue throughout the age for all other nations, as well.

I believe Lindsey, you and others are reading it wrong if you think Jesus was not referring to *his own generation.* It is very clear to me that Jesus spoke of the sins of his own Jewish generation, who were rejecting him. And he was saying that judgment against the nation would not be put off indefinitely, that it would in fact take place imminently.

This would lead to a long period of spiritual deadness for the Jewish people generally, while there would be a remnant of believers to sustain the nation until it is restored. But both these views are out there, and you have to pick what you think God is saying.

 

[Timtofly]

No, I don't agree. Lindsey or others kept moving the goal posts. It started out w/ 40 years, and then 70 years. And now you want to extend it to what--103?

This is false doctrine. We were specifically told, when dealing with prophetic timing, not to try to anticipate distant future events. As the time draws near, however, and I agree it is drawing near, we can really start to notice the endtime pattern come into focus. None of this, however, has to do with predicting the day of Christ's return.

Jesus' Olivet Discourse was focused primarily on the fall of Jerusalem, which he said would happen in his own generation. He was asked to comment on how this fits into the 2nd Coming. Jesus said that before that day comes, lots of trouble will continue to characterize the age.

For the Jews, this trouble would intensify in 70 AD, when their temple was destroyed. It would begin a long season of diaspora for their nation, until when Christ returns their nation will be spiritually restored.

So no, Jesus was not talking about a future "generation" that would see all of the signs of the present age. He was not saying *that particular generation* would see the 2nd Coming.

No, he was saying that there would be specific "birth pain" signs that would all be in play before the *fall of Jerusalem* happens. Wars, rumors of wars, the Gospel going out to warn the world of coming judgment, Christian persecution, and evidence of divine judgment like earthquakes and storms, etc.--all these things would happen before the fall of Jerusalem. And these signs would continue throughout the age for all other nations, as well.

I believe Lindsey, you and others are reading it wrong if you think Jesus was not referring to *his own generation.* It is very clear to me that Jesus spoke of the sins of his own Jewish generation, who were rejecting him. And he was saying that judgment against the nation would not be put off indefinitely, that it would in fact take place imminently.

This would lead to a long period of spiritual deadness for the Jewish people generally, while there would be a remnant of believers to sustain the nation until it is restored. But both these views are out there, and you have to pick what you think God is saying.

God is saying that in less than 3 years, the Second Coming is going to happen. There will still be people alive in the next 3 years of the generation from 1948.

There is no more speculation or even thinking all was settled in 70AD. I doubt few people on earth will change their belief until Revelation 6:12-17:

12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”

When the whole world sees God on the throne, belief will be suspended, at least as long as God is present. That is not going to happen years from now. That is only months away. The throne of God and the Lamb in Revelation 6 is NOT the Second Coming. That is the Rapture. The Second Coming is after the trumpets and thunderings. The trumpets and thunderings will be over in less than 3 years.


Being firm in the belief of it all happening in 70AD does not matter, as now we can be firm the end is also here now, without any more wiggle room to not be prepared.

 

[Randy Kluth]

God is saying that in less than 3 years, the Second Coming is going to happen. There will still be people alive in the next 3 years of the generation from 1948.

There is no more speculation or even thinking all was settled in 70AD. I doubt few people on earth will change their belief until Revelation 6:12-17:

12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”

When the whole world sees God on the throne, belief will be suspended, at least as long as God is present. That is not going to happen years from now. That is only months away. The throne of God and the Lamb in Revelation 6 is NOT the Second Coming. That is the Rapture. The Second Coming is after the trumpets and thunderings. The trumpets and thunderings will be over in less than 3 years.


Being firm in the belief of it all happening in 70AD does not matter, as now we can be firm the end is also here now, without any more wiggle room to not be prepared.

You're misleading people. You've been warned.

 

[GISMYS_7]

You are free to pray that you be left behind on rapture day.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You are free to pray that you be left behind on rapture day.

I'm a slave of God. I'm free to do whatever He chooses. If He takes me tomorrow through death, glory to God. If He keeps me to the bitter end of the age, I'm fine by that. Whatever the Lord wills...

Do you really think it's the "high road" to escape the time of Antichrist? Was it a shame that Cory ten Boom had to go through the holocaust?

You shame all of those Christian martyrs who died for their faith rather than escape "on the 1st train." You can take your rocket out, and be a coward. I choose to take courage and do the Lord's will.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm a slave of God. I'm free to do whatever He chooses. If He takes me tomorrow through death, glory to God. If He keeps me to the bitter end of the age, I'm fine by that. Whatever the Lord wills...

Do you really think it's the "high road" to escape the time of Antichrist? Was it a shame that Cory ten Boom had to go through the holocaust?

You shame all of those Christian martyrs who died for their faith rather than escape "on the 1st train." You can take your rocket out, and be a coward. I choose to take courage and do the Lord's will.

If God wills you to leave with the church, will you argue with God, why?