God is faithful

[FollowHim]

Whos His or the bibles which has none, is the bible your God????

There is no difference between the two. You have a problem with scripture which means something is failing.

To our mind there are two incidents which defy our knowledge of physics. A shadow went backwards, the sun stood still in the sky. In a sense these are small except the masses are so vast it's impossible. For God to achieve this time changes or what appears to happen is a local affect not universal.

There are explanations, which are God weaving events into historical human interactions. God maintains His testimony just like the Turin shroud, wonderful if by faith you see it. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

What do you see on this forum men setting definitions and what do you see chaos, its all from men, not God

You are right this is people responding to God's revelation. Your words imply only you are authentic, which suggests the opposite of your assertion, you are wrong shown by simply rejecting everything else, unless you are also God.....

 

[FollowHim]

Conspiracy people have a rush, they are right while the other fools believe a lie.

It is like flat earthers saying SpaceX is a elaborate hoax. But last night I saw the International Space Station fly over at ridiculous speed. You know it's true because you can see it. Nutcases need it to be a lie to maintain their feeling of reality and importance.

What happens if they are wrong? The bigger the fall the stronger the faith. Life could be a Truman show or just real.......

 

[mjrhealth]

There is no difference between the two. You have a problem with scripture which means something is failing.

There is a big difference between the two, thats why so few christians know Christ or their father for that matter, would rather their religions, the bible, study and men to the one who is Life Jesus.

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

And that is why there are going to be so many dissapointed,

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Just like the days of Noah, when Noah called the people to get in the ark and they refused and God closed the door an they where left out.

 

[mjrhealth]

You are right this is people responding to God's revelation. Your words imply only you are authentic, which suggests the opposite of your assertion, you are wrong shown by simply rejecting everything else, unless you are also God.....

God gave us His Spirit so that we could learn from Him but men would rather prove them selves, men could know God but they love to keep there distance. Just like Adam and Eve Hid from God when they discovered there nakedness.

Narrow is the way that leads to life, very few choose it, because the price is high.

 

[CadyandZoe]

ROM 3:4
I had a hard time thinking what is God faithful to? Forgiveness when people call and repent He answers even hopeless cases.

Some say God forgives when you come to faith and never lets go. But this is slavery to man's hopes, not faithfulness to God's principles.

Paul uses couplets, disown, disown but faithless is still God remains faithful to those that walk.

Some imagine salvation is life without end, but a sinner living without end would be hell. It is ironic, salvation without change is God's gift, death for eternity.

The puzzle for me is blessing of believers who are not elect.
But God is faithful irrespective of the outcome. Judas could have repented, but He did not. God bless you

God is faithful in that he keeps his word, he fulfills his promises. Sometimes when the NT speaks about God's "word" refers not to the scriptures themselves but to God's promise. Here is an example.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

In this context, Paul is talking about God's promise to give his people a Sabbath rest. That promise itself is like a two-edged sword, in that our reaction to it reveals something about the state of our faith and expectations.

 

[FollowHim]

There is a big difference between the two, thats why so few christians know Christ or their father for that matter, would rather their religions, the bible, study and men to the one who is Life Jesus.

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

And that is why there are going to be so many dissapointed,

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Just like the days of Noah, when Noah called the people to get in the ark and they refused and God closed the door an they where left out.

Your argument is equating scripture with mans unbelief and disobedience. It is an interesting idea, that Gods word can honour God with its lips but not its heart. Well the word of God is words, not lips or heart.

So you are mixing things in an impossible way. I have never seen someone attempt this argument before.
It is the equivalent of to saying a film of a story is the actual events taking place, and the film should change and speak, but its heart is corrupt and unlistening. A film is just a record of a story, whether fictional or not, it is static, and will never change, because it cannot.

Do you have anything that is remotely normal or sensible?

There are faiths that suggest this world is a projection, and if you believe strongly enough things change. So if you are ill, but believe you are healthy you will be healthy. Of course this actually denies the sense and measurements of illness that are happening. Now if ones immune system fights off the illness, of course it was the faith that did it. All faith positions build a model of the world, which they interpret to fit what is happening around them. The more detached from simple reality, the more crazy the group is.

Any group who declare a book of words has lips and a heart, is already quite some way down this road.
God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

God gave us His Spirit so that we could learn from Him but men would rather prove them selves, men could know God but they love to keep there distance. Just like Adam and Eve Hid from God when they discovered there nakedness.

Narrow is the way that leads to life, very few choose it, because the price is high.

Amen, believers have the Holy Spirit talking to their hearts about what is true and what is false.
It suggests to me that what you are saying is simply false, as it denies Gods words. As Jesus says

3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
Deut 8:3

4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Matt 4:4

Gods word was the light Jesus followed and I follow Jesus, so I follow Gods word. Amen
God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Gods word was the light Jesus followed and I follow Jesus, so I follow Gods word. Amen

Know you follow the bible mends Golden Calf. Wont listen to Him so made there own God.

22 And standing in the middle of the Areopagus, Paul said, Men, Athenians, I see that youare fearful of gods in everything. 23 For as I passed by and saw the things you worship, I also found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Not knowing then whom you worship, I make Him known to you. 24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is served with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives life and breath and all things to all. 26 And He has made all nations of men of one blood to dwell on all the face of the earth, ordaining fore-appointed seasons and boundaries of their dwelling, 27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they might feel after Him and find Him, though indeed He is not far from each one of us. 28 For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also certain of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring. 29 Then being offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold or silver or stone, engraved by art and man's imagination. 30 Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now He strictly commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day in which He is going to judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He appointed, having given proof to all by raising Him from the dead.

Thats where you will remain untill you turn to Him who is our life. Your choosing, your will not HIs.

 

[FollowHim]

Know you follow the bible mends Golden Calf. Wont listen to Him so made there own God.

22 And standing in the middle of the Areopagus, Paul said, Men, Athenians, I see that youare fearful of gods in everything. 23 For as I passed by and saw the things you worship, I also found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Not knowing then whom you worship, I make Him known to you. 24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is served with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives life and breath and all things to all. 26 And He has made all nations of men of one blood to dwell on all the face of the earth, ordaining fore-appointed seasons and boundaries of their dwelling, 27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they might feel after Him and find Him, though indeed He is not far from each one of us. 28 For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also certain of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring. 29 Then being offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold or silver or stone, engraved by art and man's imagination. 30 Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now He strictly commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day in which He is going to judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He appointed, having given proof to all by raising Him from the dead.

Thats where you will remain untill you turn to Him who is our life. Your choosing, your will not HIs.

I understand your conviction. There is nothing really for me to add.
God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I understand your conviction. There is nothing really for me to add.
God bless you

What that Christ is the only way ?? Is a problem to many. yes nothing left to say.

 

[FollowHim]

What that Christ is the only way ?? Is a problem to many. yes nothing left to say.

God for you is not faithful to scripture, because for you scripture is not from Him and does not divide spirit and soul.

So our foundations differ. Of course I could be new age without this, bit I know Jesus, the rock upon which I stand. I appeal to you to listen to Him and follow His ways through repentance and faith, amen, God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

God for you is not faithful to scripture, because for you scripture is not from Him and does not divide spirit and soul.

God is faithful to His word that HE cannot denie the bible since HE never wrote it, He does not have to obey, God doesnt obey mens Idols. There is but one God, I AM.

How many do you serve??

I thought you where done.

 

[FollowHim]

God is faithful to His word that HE cannot denie the bible since HE never wrote it, He does not have to obey, God doesnt obey mens Idols. There is but one God, I AM.

How many do you serve??

I thought you where done.

Your proposition is Gods word is not in the bible.
Put simply this is not a christian position.

God has declared His word made flesh Jesus, and we read what the disciples heard and were guided by the Holy Spirit to write and record. Clearly this is not your belief.

So I am interested in learning your foundation and authority for what you claim to be the eternal definition of the gospel and Gods revelation. Other than your own personal experiences in heaven or on earth, what is your authority by which you share?

Jesus quoted Gods word as His authority, the old testament prophets and the law of Moses. As He is our example so we follow, because I have faith in Him. Jesus had faith in love and the work He did in the disciples lives as expressed in scripture. It is this which is my anchor, for I know Gods word planted in my heart brings forth fruit that is eternal and will never fade.

So many heresies grab onto the power of Gods word, yet at the same time deny it and create their own version. It is because Gods word is so fantastic and unique, there is nothing like it anywhere in the world. You even quote it as if your quotes carry weight when you deny its authority and meaning.

There is something profound, Gods word in us is alive, Gods word on a page is a potential but just words on a page. Without us listening, learning and His word taking root there is no eternity, no reality, no Kingdom reigning in us. God bless you

I stated there were two people on this forum who felt their revelation was authentic, and both are different. I am not here to judge either, just to declare experience of the spiritual is the common call, but without the foundation of Jesus and the cross all is in vain.
They also both think the church is dead, in different ways maybe, which is where I have the first problem. I am not God and so cannot judge, I am just a light of Gods treasure in an earthen vessel. Praise the Lord. Until we understand this, everything else will lead to sin and failure.

 

[FollowHim]

It is ironic, a member told me I had been told the revelation of the gospel was x and I had rejected it.
It turns out the person they were suggesting they had fellowship with was not a believer.

I have found this time and time again, where people try and judge others, approving of some and then dismissing others, they miss that friends and foe are neither, some believers and some heretics and some trolls. The people who benefit from this kind of ill defined differences is the enemy and it makes a mockery of loving one another and witnessing to the Lords work in our hearts.

God is faithful to His people, those called by His name. If you knew driving a sword through someone would kill them, would you do it? So how is it, people are eternally disowned in a few sentences. At best we can say something is unsound, or miss-guided or heretical.

Some say things because they want to explore it, others believe it, and others as a demonstration of what is heresy. To speak definitively about something unless it is obvious can become sinful. To say the bible is not Gods word is christian heresy is not judgemental, it is a fact of faith. And those who hold this are not believers, is also a fact.

To say what the end times are, is interpretation, but rarely become an issue of heresy.
To say you can sin without repentance and sorrow is heresy.

It is like a relationship with son or daughter. At different points they will get angry at their parents, feel judged and rejected, and may well express this is unloving ways. Now in the moment of stress these feeling occur and are very real. Over time if they dominate, the relationship will be destroyed especially if it is a lie, and the parents are very loving and supportive and exercise concern and care.

David and Bathsheba was a prime example. David sinned, covered it up, and God brought the sin to him. He repented, and got right with God. It was an aberration, a mixture of circumstance and stress, yet David could have fallen away, and denied God and proclaimed his love was true, and what had gone before was false. I have known people do this about their current wives and had affairs and founded a different life. So I know this matters, it is a real test of who we are and what is Jesus to us really.

But for some faith is just a passing thing, and God will honour it no matter what, because He is so desperate to have people in heaven on almost any terms......... No. The opposite is true as Peter says

18 And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
1 Peter 4:18

 

[mjrhealth]

Your proposition is Gods word is not in the bible.
Put simply this is not a christian position.

Oh so what you are concerned about is how people see you, God is right, everyone else can be wrong, are you saying the bible is greater than God??

That is pure Idolatry.

 

[FollowHim]

Oh so what you are concerned about is how people see you, God is right, everyone else can be wrong, are you saying the bible is greater than God??

That is pure Idolatry.

Very odd. As a Christian believer we hold scripture reflects God's intension and speaks His words.

Of course if God and His word disagree we would have a problem, except what is the example of this you believe exists. Muhammed attempted such an argument and claimed the Koran was the true source. Unfortunately he included Jewish made up stories, which undermines his proposition. So I wonder where is God's word? In your head? In the personal encounter we experience? Maybe you do not know.

I know Gods word is in scripture and this strange book speaks life to us through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.

 

[FollowHim]

This is pure idolatry

Idolatry is worshipping something other than God himself. Now if I worship God, then I cannot be committing idolatry by definition.
If the bible is not Gods word, yet I worship God, this is also not idolatry. If I accept the bible is Gods word and do not worship God, I gain nothing as scripture reveals and points to God who is worthy of worship and praise.

If I say scripture is wrong and it is Gods word, the revelation of His heart, then I have rebelled against the creator of the universe, which is not a good thing to do. If I rebel against Gods word, and have no reason, surely I am a fool with no wisdom or insight. A wise man may not understand God or His word but why pick a fight with the creator if nothing is gained by it.

But if the intention is to detract people from the living God, those who try this should no it will make no difference to Gods will and His purposes or the elect whom He calls. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Idolatry is worshipping something other than God himself.

Exactly ?? What dont you get..... Hi God, I have this book, if you are not obedient to this book, my god, you are not God,

Idolatry.

 

[FollowHim]

Exactly ?? What dont you get..... Hi God, I have this book, if you are not obedient to this book, my god, you are not God,

Idolatry.

Clearly you have no faith in the people who wrote scripture or the Holy Spirit who inspired it. Can you concede this is your position. I know my foundation, repeating you do not accept it does not make me see a great revelation.

As I asked before it is easy to reject authority, more vulnerable to say what authority you do accept.

Clearly it is your personal revelation. But where are your witnesses, miracles, raising from the dead, a nation taken out of Egypt, law that stands to this day?

Feeble is my summary of what you are offering, because you also fail to detail it. That is the biggest joke, "I have my vision" which is so robust you have to keep it secret hahaha