intentional sins?

[justbyfaith]

@Behold, do you say that you have no sin?

because that is what @CharismaticLady has been saying about herself.

You should be agreeing with me for her salvation...because the scripture says clearly that in denying that she has a sin nature, she is deceiving herself and the truth is not in her...that is a very dangerous position for her to be in.

 

[Behold]

All of these things listed are sins that also stem out of the sin nature.

Did you read the verse?
It says...>"works of the flesh".........all those in the list, that YOU say are "sin".
Paul actually knows as much as you do, and He would have defined them as SIN< had that been true.

This is why Paul says....>"us not your liberty in CHRIST....for an occasion to the FLESH"

Galatians 5:13. Notice that Paul didnt say......"for an occasion to SIN".

So, Paul is making the distinction that sets sin apart from works of the flesh, even tho they are the same deeds in that LIST.
Now you need to do this also.

Christians don't have sin.
Jesus has it, and died for them all.
Christians have righteousness.
Unbelievers have sin. This is why Jesus said of UNBELIEVERS......>"If you dont believe that i am Messiah, the savior, you will die in your SIN".

A born again believer will never "die in their sin", justbyfaith, and not because they repent......but because Jesus became our sin and died for them all.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Im not renaming it.
Im explaining why iniquity is defined as sin, BECAUSE a person is under the dominion of the law.
The law has authority to define these deeds as sin, and the person as a sinner.

GRACE, is the law now, for the Born again.
"you are not UNDER the law, you are UNDER Grace".
"UNDER".
"UNDER"

So, GRACE is now the dominion and the authority for the born again = having replaced the dominion of the law.

Grace re-defines the person as "new creation in Christ">..... not a "saved sinnner".

Grace re-defines the carnal deeds as works of the flesh, not as SIN.

That what Paul teaches. So that is what i teach.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh... are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,

I can't leave yet hearing this. So you believe grace covers works of the flesh and does what with it?

 

[Behold]

@Behold, do you say that you have no sin?

I have God's righteousness. "The gift of Righteousness".

Jesus became my sin, and i became His righteousness.

"sin" is the state of a unbeliever. They are IN their sin.
Im not.
Im "in Christ".
There is no sin in Christ.

I've posted a few Threads about Carnality, and so forth.
Read them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you believe that you can lose your salvation, for any specific reason ?

I believe that we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Luke 8:13 tells us that there are those who believe and then fall away.

Do you believe that those who fall away continue to be saved?

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Behold, do you say that you have no sin?

because that is what @CharismaticLady has been saying about herself.

You should be agreeing with me for her salvation...because the scripture says clearly that in denying that she has a sin nature, she is deceiving herself and the truth is not in her...that is a very dangerous position for her to be in.

I do not commit willful sins of lawlessness - sins of the flesh.
Sins: zero

Mistakes are forgiven as long as I forgive others their mistakes against me. Matthew 6:14-15
Sins: zero

I'm sinless, not perfect. So I do not teach sinless perfection.

 

[Behold]

I can't leave yet hearing this. So you believe grace covers works of the flesh and does what with it?

Its the blood of Jesus that takes care of sin.
God came here, died on a cross for the "sin of the world".
God paid for the redemption of everyone's sin. That is the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

But, this SALVATiON, is not in place for everyone. Each has to "all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED".

So, to be saved, is to have the Blood Atonement applied. = This is born again.

 

[justbyfaith]

Did you read the verse?
It says...>"works of the flesh".........all those in the list, that YOU say are "sin".
Paul actually knows as much as you do, and He would have defined them as SIN< had that been true.

This is why Paul says....>"us not your liberty in CHRIST....for an occasion to the FLESH"

Galatians 5:13. Notice that Paul didnt say......"for an occasion to SIN".

So, Paul is making the distinction that sets sin apart from works of the flesh, even tho they are the same deeds in that LIST.
Now you need to do this also.

Christians don't have sin.
Jesus has it, and died for them all.
Christians have righteousness.
Unbelievers have sin. This is why Jesus said of UNBELIEVERS......>"If you dont believe that i am Messiah, the savior, you will die in your SIN".

A born again believer will never "die in their sin", justbyfaith, and not because they repent......but because Jesus became our sin and died for them all.

Blind as a bat to what sin is.

 

[Behold]

I believe that we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Luke 8:13 tells us that there are those who believe and then fall away.

Do you believe that those who fall away continue to be saved?

Your verse is not talking about someone who is born again.
You just think this is what the verse is speaking about.
When there is no root, when there is no grafting IN, when there is no "New birth", then there is no salvation.
Your verse is not talking about anyone who is born again.

 

[Behold]

Blind as a bat to what sin is.

Yes you are.
If you weren't, you'd understand that "where there is no law, there is no transgression".
You would understand that "we are not under the law, but under Grace".
So, if you knew just a little, you would be able to connect those 2 verses in about half a second., Justbyfaith.

 

[justbyfaith]

I do not commit willful sins of lawlessness - sins of the flesh.
Sins: zero

Mistakes are forgiven as long as I forgive others their mistakes against me. Matthew 6:14-15
Sins: zero

I'm sinless, not perfect. So I do not teach sinless perfection.

I would say that I am perfect (Hebrews 10:14) but not sinless (1 John 1:8).

I believe that you have it backwards.

 

[CharismaticLady]

There is no sin in Christ.

That means our new nature from Christ doesn't commit sins. I'm not sure that is what you are saying. If you are saying the works of the flesh you commit are not sins, then as Jude 1:4 says, you are turning the grace of God into licentiousness.

Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Romans 6:15
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes you are.
If you weren't, you'd understand that "where there is no law, there is no transgression".
You would understand that "we are not under the law, but under Grace".
So, if you knew just a little, you would be able to connect those 2 verses in about half a second., Justbyfaith.

There is no old law, because it didn't work. But we have a new law that goes deeper to the core of sin - iniquity in the heart. We are in the Law of the Spirit.

 

[Behold]

Romans 4 is an Old Testament verse. Sins could only be covered by the blood of bulls and goats while the sin remained. In the New Covenant the desire to sin is taken away so there is no sin.

Yes.
In the NT, Jesus has obtained eternal redemption for us, by a ONE TIME SACRIFICE, that resolves our "sin" issue.
= The Cross, and the Death and His Resurrection.

 

[justbyfaith]

Your verse is not talking about someone who is born again.
You just think this is what the verse is speaking about.
When there is no root, when there is no grafting IN, when there is no "New birth", then there is no salvation.
Your verse is not talking about anyone who is born again.

They believe...they have faith...and thus are saved. Just not in the sense of election and predestination. But they are indeed saved as defined in Matthew 1:21. They fall away later because of temptation.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you are saying the works of the flesh you commit are not sins,

I believe that that is in fact what he is saying.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Its the blood of Jesus that takes care of sin.
God came here, died on a cross for the "sin of the world".
God paid for the redemption of everyone's sin. That is the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

But, this SALVATiON, is not in place for everyone. Each has to "all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED".

So, to be saved, is to have the Blood Atonement applied. = This is born again.

You do know that only your past sin was taken away, and not present and future sins whatever you might want to call them. For all those who have repented, the Spirit of Christ has been given to them to dwell inside them, taking us out of the carnal nature and into the Spirit, where we remain. Read Romans 8:1-9

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[Behold]

That means our new nature from Christ doesn't commit sins. I'm not sure that is what you are saying. If you are saying the works of the flesh you commit are not sins, then as Jude 1:4 says, you are turning the grace of God into licentiousness.

Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Romans 6:15
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

"If you walk in the Spirit, you shall not sin". "shall not commit works of the flesh".

"can we who are dead to the sin, continue to sin"?

So, a legalist will try to teach that the Grace of God, that is given as a Gift, is not actually a gift. And what Paul teaches is "license to sin".
And if you teach what Paul teaches.....that "the Gift of Righteousness" is our "new creation in Christ", then you are teaching a "license to sin", by simply teaching that Salvation is a Gift.
Jude 1 says to "contend" for the real faith.
The real faith is "Justification by faith, without works, without the deeds of the Law".
In other words....there is no working to stay saved, no enduring to stay saved, no SELF EFFORT to keep yourself saved, involved in the Blood Atonement.
Its a GIFT.
Salvation is a GIFT.
Legalist teach that if you teach that Salvation is a Gift, you are teaching "license to sin".

I'll talk to you both later.



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[CharismaticLady]

Yes.
In the NT, Jesus has obtained eternal redemption for us, by a ONE TIME SACRIFICE, that resolves our "sin" issue.
= The Cross, and the Death and His Resurrection.

Do you understand that in Christ you do not commit the lusts of the flesh, or not? In other words, you do not commit adultery, fornication, etc.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"If you walk in the Spirit, you shall not sin". "shall not commit works of the flesh".

"can we who are dead to the sin, continue to sin"?

So, a legalist will try to teach that the Grace of God, that is given as a Gift, is not actually a gift. And what Paul teaches is "license to sin".
And if you teach what Paul teaches.....that "the Gift of Righteousness" is our "new creation in Christ", then you are teaching a "license to sin", by simply teaching that Salvation is a Gift.
Jude 1 says to "contend" for the real faith.
The real faith is "Justification by faith, without works, without the deeds of the Law".
In other words....there is no working to stay saved, no enduring to stay saved, no SELF EFFORT to keep yourself saved, involved in the Blood Atonement.
Its a GIFT.
Salvation is a GIFT.
Legalist teach that if you teach that Salvation is a Gift, you are teaching "license to sin".

I'll talk to you both later.



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That is twisted. For one thing, when you have a new nature that only desires righteousness, you do what comes naturally, no self effort or struggling. It is not like the Jews under the law that had to keep the Law with a sinful nature. That is self-effort and struggling, going against your nature.

To say you can do the same things now that used to be called sin, and it is not called sin anymore is is a license to sin. I'm afraid you are guilty of not only believing that false doctrine, but teaching it too!