Lunacy from the Left!

[Grailhunter]

But a lot of blood was coming out of his head after that.

I get the point that he got injured. Stupid can be deadly. His choice to be there. His choice to take a stand in front of a formation of police. His choice not to obey.The protesters should have had him by the arm and got him out of the way, and took care of him. Not the job of the police. But that was not the plan. I far as I am concern the police have been way to patient.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well he could have died from that.

Stupid can be deadly

 

[Grailhunter]

They are not suppose to use tear gas, their not suppose to use rubber bullets, if they are going to tie the hands of law enforcement and then blame them for every idiot that does every fool thing then the police and fire department should sit back and let it all burn to the ground....but it is not your house or your business is it?

 

[Cristo Rei]

Turns out he cracked his skull and has some brain injuries. No point in denying the fact. Or are you now claiming that the hospital is in on whatever grand conspiracy you're imagining?

Turns out, the law applies to police officers, too. If they attack and injure a peaceful protester, they have criminal liability. And there's no law about "deception" that applies here.

Turns out, he is. You think that's part of the conspiracy, too?

The officers learned too late that blue privilege doesn't cover them in this case.

(attempt to change subject)

Sorry, no bunny trails for you, today. The criminals who attacked and injured the elderly man will have their day in court. Properly so.

Where am i talking about a grand conspiracy??? No where, u just making a false accusation on me which I don't appreciate

Your the one who changed the subject from crime being committed by the radical left

It seems to me you have just been pointing at cops to avoid the question
And so I'll ask again... Do u support this crime???

 

[Yehren]

Where am i talking about a grand conspiracy???

That's what it would take to fake all those things you're denying. The hospital would have to be in on it, as well as numerous people who know than man who was attacked by those two officers. And the videos would also have to be faked and coordinated to show the same changes. Way too much of a conspiracy theory to be believable.

It seems to me you have just been pointing at cops to avoid the question

I'm just showing you that those particular criminals are known to be police. Now that we know many white nationalists are committing acts of violence and vandalism to blame the protesters, the expected follow-up by their accomplices is to blame protesters for all of it.
White Extremists Terrorize and Loot: 18 Videos of Destruction Black People Will Be Blamed For
Warning: one crude word in the site.

And I'll ask again. Do you support those crimes?

 

[Yehren]

Tay Anderson wanted Friday's protest against police brutality in Denver to be peaceful.

"We asked people throughout the day, please do not deface property, please do not destroy stuff, because we're not asking you to do that," Anderson, a Denver school board director and activist, told BuzzFeed News.

Still, with hundreds taking to the streets for the second day of demonstrations against the killing of George Floyd, a black man who died after a Minneapolis police officer put him in a knee chokehold, there was vandalism and clashes with Denver police, who fired tear gas and flash-bangs into the crowd.

In a video that has been shared online widely, Anderson, who is black, is seen confronting a white man with a cloth covering on his face after the man spray-paints "ACAB" — "all cops are bastards" — on public property.

Anderson said he was doing a news interview when he saw the man vandalizing, so he turned around and tried to stop him.

"I said, 'We asked allies to step back so that we can make sure that you're following what we're asking you to do,'" he recalled. "And he was like, 'I'm not your ally, you guys want to protect the status quo. I don't need to be here for you all.'"
George Floyd Protests: Black Protesters Call Out White People Who Instigated Violence

 

[Cristo Rei]

That's what it would take to fake all those things you're denying. The hospital would have to be in on it, as well as numerous people who know than man who was attacked by those two officers. And the videos would also have to be faked and coordinated to show the same changes. Way too much of a conspiracy theory to be believable.

Your still building strawmen

And I'll ask again. Do you support those crimes?

Thats the first time u asking me this... Considering u won't answer my questions I could easily refuse to answer yours...
But that's not me. I don't support any crime, who perpetrates it means nothing to me

Considering u refuse to answer my question I can only conclude that u do support these riots by the left while condoning cops and alleged riots by the right

 

[Cristo Rei]

Tay Anderson wanted Friday's protest against police brutality in Denver to be peaceful.

"We asked people throughout the day, please do not deface property, please do not destroy stuff, because we're not asking you to do that," Anderson, a Denver school board director and activist, told BuzzFeed News.

Still, with hundreds taking to the streets for the second day of demonstrations against the killing of George Floyd, a black man who died after a Minneapolis police officer put him in a knee chokehold, there was vandalism and clashes with Denver police, who fired tear gas and flash-bangs into the crowd.

In a video that has been shared online widely, Anderson, who is black, is seen confronting a white man with a cloth covering on his face after the man spray-paints "ACAB" — "all cops are bastards" — on public property.

Anderson said he was doing a news interview when he saw the man vandalizing, so he turned around and tried to stop him.

"I said, 'We asked allies to step back so that we can make sure that you're following what we're asking you to do,'" he recalled. "And he was like, 'I'm not your ally, you guys want to protect the status quo. I don't need to be here for you all.'"
George Floyd Protests: Black Protesters Call Out White People Who Instigated Violence

Yes I get it now, u condemn right wing crime but u justify radical left wing crime
Thats a hypocrisy which you probably cannot identify because of your deep ideology

I condemn all crime regardless of who does it

 

[Grailhunter]

Maybe you could explain your position a little better....
The constitutional right to protest has been met. We are now into occupation, and in Seattle a take over that is attempting to establish a sovereign....whatever! Peaceful demonstrations is one thing, once it gets out of hand you need to shut it all down. Destruction of property, including arson, assault on people and the police, rapes, and murders...I think we are past protest, the people that remain are accomplices to the above crimes. At this point I think that tear gas, rubber bullets, and water cannon with ink should be used....round them up and prosecute.

Why the sympathy for these people? Why no sympathy for the private property of people? Why no sympathy for the people that have been assaulted? Why no sympathy for the women that have been raped? Why no sympathy for the people that have been murdered? These poor cops have to deal with scum bags and you seem to only want to find fault with them. I am sorry but I am thinking you are seriously messed up in the head.

 

[historyb]

Why the sympathy for these people? Why no sympathy for the private property of people? Why no sympathy for the people that have been assaulted? Why no sympathy for the women that have been raped? Why no sympathy for the people that have been murdered? These poor cops have to deal with scum bags and you seem to only want to find fault with them.

It's not part of the agenda

 

[Yehren]

Yes I get it now, u condemn right wing crime

And I condemn left wing crime. On the other hand, you condemn left wing crime, but you repeatedly refused to condemn the criminals who assaulted that old man.

That's a hypocrisy which you probably cannot identify because of your deep ideology.

 

[Yehren]

Your still building strawmen

You made up all sorts of fantasies to excuse the thugs who attacked that old man. As you see, none of your excuses fit the facts.

Thats the first time u asking me this... Considering u won't answer my questions I could easily refuse to answer yours...

You just didn't like the way the answer turned out for you.

But that's not me. I don't support any crime,

Except for the criminals who attacked the old man. You made all sorts of wild excuses for them, even after their own department arrested them for the assault.

who perpetrates it means nothing to me

I see your denial, but your behavior is more persuasive.

 

[Yehren]

Maybe you could explain your position a little better....
The constitutional right to protest has been met. We are now into occupation, and in Seattle a take over that is attempting to establish a sovereign....whatever! Peaceful demonstrations is one thing, once it gets out of hand you need to shut it all down.

So you think the Seattle police are wrong because they didn't just charge in and break it up?

Destruction of property, including arson, assault on people and the police, rapes, and murders...

Violence tends to beget violence. Maybe force isn't the answer, this time.

I think we are past protest

I think there's been a sea change in America, triggered by the murder of Mr. Floyd. It's not just the public, which now sides with BLM; it's the NFL, NASCAR, Senate republicans, and our military leaders who realize things are going to have to change.

the people that remain are accomplices to the above crimes. At this point I think that tear gas, rubber bullets, and water cannon with ink should be used....round them up and prosecute.

Fortunately, we still have laws, which makes your fantasy unworkable.

Why the sympathy for these people?

I figure it's mostly the ubiquitous cameras today. Before, most of this would have been covered up. Now, it's out front, and people are disgusted with what's been going on.

Why no sympathy for the private property of people?

During a press conference on Saturday morning (May 30), Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter, and Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison took the stage together to share new information about the protests, and specifically the looting and violence that accompanied them.


"The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," Mayor Frey said. "They are coming in largely from outside of the city, from outside of the region to prey on everything that we have built over the last several decades."


Ellison cited a now-viral video of a white man in a gas mask holding an umbrella who was caught by protesters breaking windows of a local AutoZone. Some believe the man to be an undercover cop, though that detail has not yet been verified.


Additionally, MSNBC’s Joy Reid tweeted that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting that they use the protests to “get our loot on” and cause mayhem. Mayor Carter says the state’s top officials discovered that the white nationalist mayhem starters are throwing incendiary devices and then running behind actual protesters to “use them as a human shield.”
White Extremists Terrorize and Loot: 18 Videos of Destruction Black People Will Be Blamed For

I guess you'd have to ask those white nationalists.

Why no sympathy for the people that have been assaulted?

That's what they are protesting. It's why the public now backs BLM:

Today, Civiqs is releasing three years of daily tracking poll results gauging Americans’ level of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. Through June 2, 2020, 49% of Americans support the Black Lives Matter movement, with only 24% opposed. Support jumped by five percentage points in the last week alone, following George Floyd’s murder by Minneapolis police and the subsequent protests. This is the highest level of support for Black Lives Matter in over three years of daily tracking, and the most significant shift in racial attitudes since Civiqs began tracking the issue in April of 2017.
Civiqs: Daily Tracking Poll Shows Dramatic Increase in Support for Black Lives Matter Movement

Why no sympathy for the women that have been raped?

That's not safe for them, either, now:

Why no sympathy for the people that have been murdered?

That's what touched off the protests,and caused a huge increase in public support for BLM.

These poor cops have to deal with scum bags

That's another point; cops are increasingly unwilling to tolerate the relatively few scum among them.

and you seem to only want to find fault with them.

I think that's a good thing that they are less tolerant of thugs among them. The sooner they clean out the criminals, the better it will be for them.

I am sorry but I am thinking you are seriously messed up in the head.

Well, you might not like everyone being held accountable, but in the long run, it's going to be a better society.

 

[Cristo Rei]

And I condemn left wing crime

Brother... Why didn't u just say that at the start... Cos it looked like u were justifying the riots
It's unfruitful being so hostile, especially if we're in agreement... You say that crime is wrong regardless of who does it...
And I agree, there is nothing to get indignant about

 

[Grailhunter]

Maybe you could explain your position a little better....
The constitutional right to protest has been met. We are now into occupation, and in Seattle a take over that is attempting to establish a sovereign....whatever! Peaceful demonstrations is one thing, once it gets out of hand you need to shut it all down.
So you think the Seattle police are wrong because they didn't just charge in and break it up?

NO, THE NATIONAL GUARD NEED TO CHARGE IN…NOT WITH RUBBER BULLETS. AGAIN SYMPATHY FOR THE WOMEN THAT ARE BEING RAPED.

Destruction of property, including arson, assault on people and the police, rapes, and murders...
Violence tends to beget violence. Maybe force isn't the answer, this time.

GOOD THING WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAY IN WORLD WAR II. THIS IS THE ENEMY FROM WITH IN.

I think we are past protest

I think there's been a sea change in America, triggered by the murder of Mr. Floyd. It's not just the public, which now sides with BLM; it's the NFL, NASCAR, Senate republicans, and our military leaders who realize things are going to have to change.
WHY IS FLOYD'S MURDER WORSE THAN ALL THE MURDERING DONE BY THE PROTESTERS? WHY DO YOU GIVE THEM A FREE PASS? WHY DO YOU SIDE WITH THE SCUM? IT IS A CHARACTER TO RAPE, PILLAGE, AND PLUNDER. ARE YOU THAT CHARACTER? ADMIT IT, YOU AGREE WITH IT, YOU SUPPORT IT, YOU BELIEVE IN IT. COME OUT OF THE CLOSET.

the people that remain are accomplices to the above crimes. At this point I think that tear gas, rubber bullets, and water cannon with ink should be used....round them up and prosecute.

Fortunately, we still have laws, which makes your fantasy unworkable.
YES I KNOW AND YOU ARE SO HAPPY THAT THE CRIMINALS ARE PROTECTED AND THE INNOCENT ARE RAPED AND MURDERED....THAT IS YOUR CHARACTER....OWN UP TO IT.....BE PROUD.

Why the sympathy for these people?
I figure it's mostly the ubiquitous cameras today. Before, most of this would have been covered up. Now, it's out front, and people are disgusted with what's been going on.
MAKE EXCUSES FOR MURDERS AND RAPISTS.....BE PROUD....TELL THE FORUM HOW MUCH YOU LIKE AND WANT MORE.

Why no sympathy for the private property of people?

During a press conference on Saturday morning (May 30), Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter, and Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison took the stage together to share new information about the protests, and specifically the looting and violence that accompanied them.
"The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," Mayor Frey said. "They are coming in largely from outside of the city, from outside of the region to prey on everything that we have built over the last several decades."
ellison cited a now-viral video of a white man in a gas mask holding an umbrella who was caught by protesters breaking windows of a local AutoZone. Some believe the man to be an undercover cop, though that detail has not yet been verified.

DOES NOT MATTER WHICH IS WHICH THE WHOLE THING SHOULD STOP NOW. AGAIN SYMPATHY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
SHUT IT DOWN NOW…NO EXCUSES

Additionally, MSNBC’s Joy Reid tweeted that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting that they use the protests to “get our loot on” and cause mayhem. Mayor Carter says the state’s top officials discovered that the white nationalist mayhem starters are throwing incendiary devices and then running behind actual protesters to “use them as a human shield.”
White Extremists Terrorize and Loot: 18 Videos of Destruction Black People Will Be Blamed For
I guess you'd have to ask those white nationalists.

i DON'T CARE WHO IT IS.
I DON’T CARE SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE MORE PEOPLE GET HURT. FORCED SHUTDOWN

Why no sympathy for the people that have been assaulted?
That's what they are protesting. It's why the public now backs BLM:
IT IS NO LONGER A PROTEST...IT IS GANG, A MOB, MURDERS, RAPISTS, ARSONISTS. NOT A PROTEST ANYMORE IT IS OCCUPATION.

Today, Civiqs is releasing three years of daily tracking poll results gauging Americans’ level of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. Through June 2, 2020, 49% of Americans support the Black Lives Matter movement, with only 24% opposed. Support jumped by five percentage points in the last week alone, following George Floyd’s murder by Minneapolis police and the subsequent protests. This is the highest level of support for Black Lives Matter in over three years of daily tracking, and the most significant shift in racial attitudes since Civiqs began tracking the issue in April of 2017.
Civiqs: Daily Tracking Poll Shows Dramatic Increase in Support for Black Lives Matter Movement
BLACK LIVE MATTER IS A FARCE, IT IS RACIST AND RUDE. MORONS OF THE WORLD...ALL LIVES MATTER.

Why no sympathy for the women that have been raped?

That's not safe for them, either, now:
NO EXCUSES….NO BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS. SHUT IT DOWN NOW.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

None of the officers could have been aware of Floyd's more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest.

The 46-year-old moved to the city in 2014 and worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant, leaving behind his past in the Houston area.

Floyd had made changes to his lifestyle and a recent video has emerged of him pleading with younger generations to make good choices and to stop gun violence.

He had been there himself years ago, first being arrested in his 20s for theft and then a later arrest for armed robbery before he turned his life around.
George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online

Ironic. A criminal starts a new life, turns himself around, and then is murdered by another criminal.

He did not turn around his life at all, he was a punk to the end and died because he was on drugs and had a heart problem because of that crap drugs he took over the years, he was a bouncer a thug ? most bouncers are morons that such makes there day punching people who are to drunk to defend themselves.
The bloke is total trash.
It has been alleged that he has children to others that he did not care about at all.

Look at how the Media portray a Satanic moron like that, angel wings and all, they who knew him must of been pissing themselves laughing at that display.
Oh no limp good for nothing porno clown dies .

 

[Yehren]

Brother... Why didn't u just say that at the start...

Because I'm repelled by those who try to justify thugs who hide in police forces, by pointing out that there are thugs elsewhere.

WHY IS FLOYD'S MURDER WORSE THAN ALL THE MURDERING DONE BY THE PROTESTERS?

For one thing, it really happened. Which does matter. For another thing it was done under the color of law. Which is always worse and far more dangerous to the rest of us.

WHY DO YOU GIVE THEM A FREE PASS?

I don't. Murder is a crime regardless of who does it. It's just a much more serious thing when the power of the state is used to do it. Can you point out a protestor who murdered someone recently? If so, I will agree with you that he needs to be put away for a long time. Who is it?

WHY DO YOU SIDE WITH THE SCUM?

I don't. I want that thug behind bars for a very long time. He should be treated the same as any other murderer.

IT IS A CHARACTER TO RAPE, PILLAGE, AND PLUNDER.

Occasionally, they do.
Police Caught Looting in Seattle : Unexpected

More often it's just violence. Sexual assault by police is less common, but it shows up, every year.

ARE YOU THAT CHARACTER? ADMIT IT, YOU AGREE WITH IT, YOU SUPPORT IT, YOU BELIEVE IN IT. COME OUT OF THE CLOSET.

You're mostly upset that I applied the same standard to police that I do to others. For some reason, you want to give police a pass on all this. Can you give us a reason why we should?

 

[Grailhunter]

Because I'm repelled by those who try to justify thugs who hide in police forces, by pointing out that there are thugs elsewhere.




For one thing, it really happened. Which does matter. For another thing it was done under the color of law. Which is always worse and far more dangerous to the rest of us.



I don't. Murder is a crime regardless of who does it. It's just a much more serious thing when the power of the state is used to do it. Can you point out a protestor who murdered someone recently? If so, I will agree with you that he needs to be put away for a long time. Who is it?



I don't. I want that thug behind bars for a very long time. He should be treated the same as any other murderer.



Occasionally, they do.
Police Caught Looting in Seattle : Unexpected

More often it's just violence. Sexual assault by police is less common, but it shows up, every year.



You're mostly upset that I applied the same standard to police that I do to others. For some reason, you want to give police a pass on all this. Can you give us a reason why we should?

Everyone that murdered should spend a long time in prison...police or rioters.
Everyone that raped women should spend a long time in prison.
Everyone that looted should spend a long time in prison.
All of the arsonists should spend a long time in prison.
All that destroyed property should spend a long time in prison.
At this time, consider how long they have been present it is a hostage situation....occupation...they should spend a long time in prison. All of them are accomplices in crime because they have set the conditions for this to happen and continue to happen. If you are unified in a presence and one murders, they are all accomplices because they continued on after the murder or rape and set conditions for it to continue.
Considering the energy that you are putting into this I have to wonder if this is a fantasy of yours. Giving excuses and supporting....Do you fantasize about raping women? Do you fantasize about murdering people? Maybe you could go to one of these protests and take your Bible and get a selfie of yourself raping a woman and holding up a Bible? It all reeks of demon spawn to me.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I think there's been a sea change in America, triggered by the murder of Mr. Floyd. It's not just the public, which now sides with BLM; it's the NFL, NASCAR, Senate republicans, and our military leaders who realize things are going to have to change.

Sea of CHANGE? What has changed? Unwarranted riots have been erupting ever since I can remember. Unjust actions on the part of rioters don't fix any injustices.... And anarchy is never the answer to injustice.

You think that all of America, including everyone in the NFL, NASCAR, and all Senate Republicans, side with BLM? That's a stretch. I think many Americans probably don't know what to think. But with liberal social media and corporate America taking up the cause with their black BLM banners, I'm sure some Americans are being swayed in that direction.

Fortunately, we still have laws, which makes your fantasy unworkable.

We still have laws, but which laws rule the occupied zone in Seattle? Oh, there are rules in that zone, to be sure, but whose rules are being enforced? Not the laws that elected representatives of the people of Seattle have passed.

What were you trying to prove by posting the following article riddled with unsupported claims??

During a press conference on Saturday morning (May 30), Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter, and Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison took the stage together to share new information about the protests, and specifically the looting and violence that accompanied them.

"The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," Mayor Frey said. "They are coming in largely from outside of the city, from outside of the region to prey on everything that we have built over the last several decades."

Ellison cited a now-viral video of a white man in a gas mask holding an umbrella who was caught by protesters breaking windows of a local AutoZone. Some believe the man to be an undercover cop, though that detail has not yet been verified.

Additionally, MSNBC’s Joy Reid tweeted that white nationalist groups are posting messages promoting that they use the protests to “get our loot on” and cause mayhem. Mayor Carter says the state’s top officials discovered that the white nationalist mayhem starters are throwing incendiary devices and then running behind actual protesters to “use them as a human shield.”
​

Here are the problems I see with this report:

• They said the people rioting and looting are not Minnesota residents; they are LARGELY from outside the city? Which is it?
• "SOME BELIEVE" the white man looting the AutoZone was a cop, but this is not verified?
• Joy Reid tweets something, and it must be the truth? Since when are tweets considered hard evidence?

I am for justice for ALL Americans! I don't believe the protests and riots make justice more attainable. I see them compounding injustice as local officials are pressured to make snap judgments about cases potentially involving police brutality instead of allowing the courts to decide these cases once all of the facts are known.
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[Yehren]

Sea of CHANGE? What has changed?

We see many institutions now taking action against racism. NFL admits they were wrong about taking a knee. NASCAR bans Confederate battle flags. Senate republicans are now moving to change names of military bases named for confederate officers. Support for BLM has increased greatly. You see an increasing number of police officers siding with those demonstrating against racism. Police officers who criminally assault citizens are now being charged with crimes.

That kind of thing.

You think that all of America, including everyone in the NFL, NASCAR, and all Senate Republicans, side with BLM?[/QUOTE]

No, just most of them. That's a change.
Most people hold favorable view of Black Lives Matter, doubling in last five years: Poll

by Zachary Halaschak
| June 11, 2020 05:47 PM
A majority of people say they have a favorable opinion of the Black Lives Matter movement, a number that has more than doubled since 2016.
Most people hold favorable view of Black Lives Matter, doubling in last five years: Poll

We still have laws

Which is why your hopes won't be realized. We're still a nation of laws.

but which laws rule the occupied zone in Seattle? Oh, there are rules in that zone, to be sure, but whose rules are being enforced? Not the laws that elected representatives of the people of Seattle have passed.

Your fantasy come true, it seems. How do you like it?

What were you trying to prove by posting the following article riddled with unsupported claims??

The video of a white guy vandalizing shops, and then running away when BLM people confronted him? He might be a cop, but it doesn't really matter; there are lots of cases of those guy trying to make it look like BLM is doing it.

And Twitter outed a racist group posing as BLM on a Twitter account. So there's no point in denying the fact.

I am for justice for ALL Americans! I don't believe the protests and riots make justice more attainable.

The protests have been highly effective in bringing the issue forward. And as the evidence shows, it's changing minds. The guys trying to incite violence to blame on BLM have been largely ineffective. Too many videos exposing them.