Mary, Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ

[Addy]

A free turkey!
You get an all-expense paid trip to Israel !
Silly girl....

WELL then... HAVE I joined the RIGHT site.... I will pack my bags.... I am going to ISRAEL... someone can have my turkey... LOL

 

[historyb]

I don't know what you mean by "Orthodox religion"?

It interesting that people think that there are different religions yet Anglicans, Baptist, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutheran, Methodist, Non Denominations and others belong to one Religion which is the Christian Religion. Now we may disagree with them but they are not separate Religions.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We certainly cannot now hear every prayer, but are we not changing? Are we not to be changed? Consider this verse:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

How much like Him are we going to be and when is that to occur? In the case of Mary?

Has Mary been resurrected yet or is she still in paradise awaiting her resurrection?

 

[amadeus]

Has Mary been resurrected yet or is she still in paradise awaiting her resurrection?

Like me you are asking questions to which God has not given me an answer; or if is He has I am keeping it to myself.

Give God the glory !

 

[Philip James]

So, yes, she is supremely special and SHOULD NOT be worshipped and I don't know any priest that teaches we are to worship her -- or any Catholic theologian for that matter.

Hello GG,
Welcome back! You have been missed.

Peace!

 

[Addy]

It interesting that people think that there are different religions yet Anglicans, Baptist, Catholics, Orthodox, Lutheran, Methodist, Non Denominations and others belong to one Religion which is the Christian Religion. Now we may disagree with them but they are not separate Religions.

You do realize that the Catholics teach and believe that they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH?? they are the ones who have separated themselves from other Christians... I am seen as an apostate because I am Catholic... baptized ... first communion and confirmation... When my mother died... I went to the priest who conducted her funeral and asked him to ex-communicate me... LOL... He chose to bless me instead and stated I did not have to return to the church if it had caused me such sorrow... and he added that NO I would not go to hell... even though that is what doctrine would state.

 

[Marymog]

I've never studied Revelation and most probably never will...
although I read a great book about it by Scott Hahn...THE LAMB'S SUPPER.

Anyway, OK, you can still pray for me in heaven...I agree about your idea re our spirit still being alive (of course). But will YOU be able to hear ME? I just don't really understand how the CC comes to this conclusion, but you don't have to explain it. I could go through the CCC tomorrow.

I Love Scott Hahn and how he presents things in his books. Makes it simple for a simple person like me.

You pose a very good question. How can people in heaven "hear" us OR how do we know they have heard us....I will have to look into that later since it is about dinner time.

Maybe, just maybe, in heaven we have certain gifts? Just like on earth we all have certain gifts (1 Corinthians 12:28). In heaven those gifts are different or even perfected since we are perfect in heaven? (these are just statements off the top of my head)

More research to be done!!!

Mary

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi Grailhunter...
Agreed on all,
BUT
I can't remember any of the early fathers stating we should pray to the Apostles, for instance.
Saints came pretty soon afterwards. Saints in the N.T. meant something different.
Anyway, Catholics are not taught to pray to saints like to God,,,
but, actually, some here do anyway because they're old time catholics.

Saints in the N.T. meant something different.
Ya we are all pretty much saints according to the NT. lol
As far as saints go, worshiping and praising and then just praying to them are two different things.
Which is hard for those that think that everyone that has passed are dead in ground with no conscience. I can understand their problem with that....in the ground awaiting Christ return and judgement. Still waiting...Christ was suppose to return soon...you know the last days thing. But He did not and we have religions that have religions that have had a relationship with the Trinity and angels and saints.
For the Catholics and the like, you know what I mean...the Characters of the NT are part of their life. It is not like they think Miriam saves souls....Anthony might help you find something...lol They love Miriam and I love Miriam...but I am not going to worship her.

 

[Philip James]

Hi MM,
I understand about the Communion of Saints.
I just have a problem with the idea that saints could hear our prayers.
They can't be everywhere like God can.
The only book I can think of where it states something about speaking to the dead is Macdabees.
You really think they could hear us?

Whether they can hear us or not, God certainly does. Perhaps He tells them

Regardless, that miracles happen when the intercession of the Saints is requested is well documented.

Peace!

 

[historyb]

You do realize that the Catholics teach and believe that they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH?? they are the ones who have separated themselves from other Christians... I am seen as an apostate because I am Catholic... baptized ... first communion and confirmation... When my mother died... I went to the priest who conducted her funeral and asked him to ex-communicate me... LOL... He chose to bless me instead and stated I did not have to return to the church if it had caused me such sorrow... and he added that NO I would not go to hell... even though that is what doctrine would state.

That still does not negate the fact that Catholics are Christians weather Protestants thinks so or not.

 

[Addy]

That still does not negate the fact that Catholics are Christians weather Protestants thinks so or not.

I did not state that Catholics are not Christians... I stated that they are the ONLY Christian sect that would separate themselves from other Christians... other Christian denominations usually embrace each other as brothers and sisters. When you go to Catholic church and you are not Catholic.. you are NOT allowed to partake in communion.

 

[historyb]

I did not state that Catholics are not Christians... I stated that they are the ONLY Christian sect that would separate themselves from other Christians... other Christian denominations usually embrace each other as brothers and sisters. When you go to Catholic church and you are not Catholic.. you are NOT allowed to partake in communion.

In Orthodox communion your not allowed Communion either, that doesn't mean they do not think your Christian just that your not in communion with them and you don't agree with them. Really why would you, by partaking of communion with Catholics, Orthodox, and others your saying you agree with them when you wouldn't. I think the table needs to be fenced and not wide open, I would not take any communion with another Protestant Church because I don't agree with them. So no Catholics are not the only ones that fence the table even my Church does it partially

 

[CharismaticLady]

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I don't know what you mean by "Orthodox religion"? If you mean Eastern Orthodox they are in communion with The Church.

I was speaking specifically of Protestant denominations that have Marion theology similar to The Churches theology.....such as the Anglicans and Lutherans.

Protestantism teaches us that if you believe the Holy Spirit guided you into the truth then it is ok to believe what you believe. Were the Anglican's and Lutherans guided to the truth? You don't need to answer....just something to think about.

Respectfully, Mary

Really? Did Martin Luther bring Mariology with him from Catholicism? I never knew that. And Anglicans are pretty much the same as Presbyterians, or aren't they? I was never involved with any denomination that was into Mariology. Your last question - No.

 

[Jim B]

An apostle is simply a messenger of God who also has the responsibility of establishing His church in the proper order.
The problem with churches today is they refuse to honor the ministry of the apostles and prophets.

A sweeping generalization! You're actually judging churches you've never been to?

 

[Addy]

In Orthodox communion your not allowed Communion either, that doesn't mean they do not think your Christian just that your not in communion with them and you don't agree with them. Really why would you, by partaking of communion with Catholics, Orthodox, and others your saying you agree with them when you wouldn't. I think the table needs to be fenced and not wide open, I would not take any communion with another Protestant Church because I don't agree with them. So no Catholics are not the only ones that fence the table even my Church does it partially

My point here is that .... the SEPARATION comes from the Catholics themselves... they consider themselves apart from other Christian denominations.. they consider themselves superior to. I do not know the other denominations of which you speak... In the non denominational world of Christians... I have never been refused communion at a service.... Anyways... you are defending something I LOATHE... and I have been in this thread all day... and I have made history here... as I have not discussed anything Catholic in over 8 years... so... this is the first and the last time I will ever discuss this sect of Christianity.

 

[Jim B]

In Orthodox communion your not allowed Communion either, that doesn't mean they do not think your Christian just that your not in communion with them and you don't agree with them. Really why would you, by partaking of communion with Catholics, Orthodox, and others your saying you agree with them when you wouldn't. I think the table needs to be fenced and not wide open, I would not take any communion with another Protestant Church because I don't agree with them. So no Catholics are not the only ones that fence the table even my Church does it partially

Jesus allowed Judas to participate in the Passover dinner.

 

[Philip James]

Hello Adoration,

I did not state that Catholics are not Christians... I stated that they are the ONLY Christian sect that would separate themselves from other Christians... other Christian denominations usually embrace each other as brothers and sisters.

From the catechism:

.... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.

Now you don't have to go far upthread to find us condemned as a false church, deceived by lying spirits, pagans, sinful, idolators...

Maybe you want to rethink the statement that we are the ones separating ourselves from our brothers?

When you go to Catholic church and you are not Catholic.. you are NOT allowed to partake in communion.

With good reasons.

Chief among them being that 'if you eat and drink without recognizing the Body, you eat and drink condemnation on your self'
It would be uncharitable to allow one who does not believe that they are receiving Jesus' flesh and blood, to so injure themselves.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

 

[historyb]

My point here is that .... the SEPARATION comes from the Catholics themselves... they consider themselves apart from other Christian denominations.. they consider themselves superior to. I do not know the other denominations of which you speak... In the non denominational world of Christians... I have never been refused communion at a service.... Anyways... you are defending something I LOATHE... and I have been in this thread all day... and I have made history here... as I have not discussed anything Catholic in over 8 years... so... this is the first and the last time I will ever discuss this sect of Christianity.

Go to an Orthodox Church and you will not be allowed the Holy Eucharist, they also believe the same in regards to Catholics.

I LOATHE evangelicalism and sola scriptura yet here I am.

 

[historyb]

Jesus allowed Judas to participate in the Passover dinner.

Yet he died by hanging and others who partook unworthily and as St. Paul said others were sick whom partook unworthily. Better to fence the table than take a chance. Of course in non Traditional Churches it wouldn't matter since communion is really nothing but juice and cracker with no presence.

 

[Philip James]

@Josho,

Thank you for attempting to have a charitable discussion about Mary in scripture.

And while you, and some others (thank you) have indeed treated the Catholics as brothers and sisters,
The spirit of the emnity of the serpent for the woman (gen 3:15) and for her children (rev 12:17) has been on full display.

If you wish to continue in a private conversation, I am willing. But I will no longer take part in this thread.

Peace!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

Mother Mary, pray for us!
St. Joseph, pray for us!
St. David, pray for us!
Sts. Peter and Paul, pray for us!
St. Andre, pray for us!
All you holy men and women, pray for us!