entire sanctification is an obtainable goal.

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justbyfaith

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Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Eph 5:27, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 

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No. I asked to name one person. I don't need to consult the Bible for the answer. I just need for someone to name just one person right now who has achieved entire sanctification. Achieving it "by faith" is not an acceptable answer for me.
‘With G_D, all things are possible’
 

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‘With G_D, all things are possible’
You need to look up the context of that verse "With God all things are possible"
"When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” “Look,” Peter replied, “we have left everything to follow You. What then will there be for us?” (Matthew 19:25-27).

The context is the event of the rich young ruler who had kept all the commandments perfectly from his youth up, and still that was not the standard which Jesus required of him. This is why the disciples were shocked, because if a person is able to keep God's moral law perfectly and still not having the standard of righteousness that Jesus requires. They could not see how a morally perfect person could not be saved, and yet Jesus didn't accept him as perfect as the rich young ruler was. What shocked the disciples was that the young man was infinitely more perfect than them, and if he couldn't be saved, then how could they being relatively imperfect? That is where Jesus says that with man this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. What He is saying that the work of salvation is not of man but of God who does the miracle of conversion and salvation in a person.
 

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You need to look up the context of that verse "With God all things are possible"
"When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” “Look,” Peter replied, “we have left everything to follow You. What then will there be for us?” (Matthew 19:25-27).

The context is the event of the rich young ruler who had kept all the commandments perfectly from his youth up, and still that was not the standard which Jesus required of him. This is why the disciples were shocked, because if a person is able to keep God's moral law perfectly and still not having the standard of righteousness that Jesus requires. They could not see how a morally perfect person could not be saved, and yet Jesus didn't accept him as perfect as the rich young ruler was. What shocked the disciples was that the young man was infinitely more perfect than them, and if he couldn't be saved, then how could they being relatively imperfect? That is where Jesus says that with man this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. What He is saying that the work of salvation is not of man but of God who does the miracle of conversion and salvation in a person.
Know the context. However, With G_D, ALL things are possible (inc. entire sanctification-if you believe) he who has ears to hear, let him hear
 

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The context of Matthew 19:26 is that Jesus had said that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Since wealthy people were considered to be the most righteous in Jesus' day, this presented a problem for the disciples...if rich men, who are most righteous, can't be saved, what about the poor and needy?

It is a similar principle as what is spoken of here:

1Pe 4:17, For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18, And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Jesus then goes on to say that salvation itself, is impossible with man; but that with God all things are possible.

It is to say that the only way anyone can be saved is if the Lord Himself does it.

We cannot save ourselves, is the point of the passage; but with the Lord it is relatively easy: for He is Omnipotent.

See Ephesians 2:8-9.
 

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Granted. But the issue remains. There is not one person who has ever attained full sanctification in this life. If you know of any, let me know.
That would be something that is mainly invisible.

For if anyone walked a perfect walk, they would have to walk it in the secret places; and only they and God see them in those places.

I have known people who are holy on the outside at the very least; and I believe that it may indeed be because they cleaned the inside of the cup and platter.

So the question is not, can you show me an example of someone who has been sanctified wholly; but, is the doctrine biblical?

And I would say that if you have been paying attention to this thread since page 30, you know that the doctrine is biblical without question.
 

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Granted. But the issue remains. There is not one person who has ever attained full sanctification in this life. If you know of any, let me know.
Phil. 3:14
I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
2 Tim. 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
 
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Granted. But the issue remains. There is not one person who has ever attained full sanctification in this life. If you know of any, let me know.

There is not a single person in all of Scripture that attained Entire Sanctification AFTER this life either! You have no proof!

We have salvation in the past, present, and future tense in Scripture. There is no future tense of sanctification in Scripture. If that is so, then what evidence does anyone have that such a thing exists on the other side?
 

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That would be something that is mainly invisible.

For if anyone walked a perfect walk, they would have to walk it in the secret places; and only they and God see them in those places.

I have known people who are holy on the outside at the very least; and I believe that it may indeed be because they cleaned the inside of the cup and platter.

So the question is not, can you show me an example of someone who has been sanctified wholly; but, is the doctrine biblical?

And I would say that if you have been paying attention to this thread since page 30, you know that the doctrine is biblical without question.
On what basis can we evaluate whether a person is entirely sanctified or not? If it is on the basis of how good we can be, then one would be on shaky ground.
 

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There is not a single person in all of Scripture that attained Entire Sanctification AFTER this life either! You have no proof!

We have salvation in the past, present, and future tense in Scripture. There is no future tense of sanctification in Scripture. If that is so, then what evidence does anyone have that such a thing exists on the other side?
I don't think that anyone is considering "the other side" as far as the possibility of entire sanctification is concerned.
 

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I don't think that anyone is considering "the other side" as far as the possibility of entire sanctification is concerned.

Then to what purpose does an inadequate and failed progress in this life accomplish?
 

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On what basis can we evaluate whether a person is entirely sanctified or not? If it is on the basis of how good we can be, then one would be on shaky ground.
As I said, it is something that is entirely invisible.

Because even if someone outwardly exhibits behaviour that would denote entire sanctification in his life; there is still the secret life that no one knows about except them and the Lord.

So then, we can only determine whether someone is righteous outwardly; and there are those who do have such a righteousness.

But of course in looking at the lives of such, the person who desires to deny the doctrine can say that there must be some secret sin in their life, and that their outward righteousness only makes them hypocrites; for if they were real people they would wear their heart on their sleeve and everything would be laid bare before the public.

What is not considered is that Jesus told us to clean the inside of the cup and platter so that the outside might be also clean.

So then, there are those who are outwardly righteous before men and do not have the righteousness of faith (an inward righteousness); and there are those who do have that inward righteousness.

But those who do have it do not go around saying, "I have it." Their attitude is that they have room to grow; for that is the attitude of those who are perfect (Philippians 3:12-15).

I believe it bears mentioning that Jesus said that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will in no wise enter in to the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20). Since this is the case, either such a righteousness is possible or else no one is going to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I think that this is an airtight case for the concept that such a righteousness can be obtained in this life.

The righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees was impeccable according to the law. The only righteousness that might exceed it might be a righteousness that is on the inside and that is in fact also impeccable according to what is on the inside.

In Romans 5:5 we find that the Lord is able to shed abroad His love in our hearts through the Holy Ghost. This love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us (Romans 8:4, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6). And it is practical in its nature (1 John 3:17-18).

These things can indeed be seen of men; but those who carry these things in this day may indeed be far and few between.

If even no one today carried this righteousness that I speak of, it would not mean that it is impossible to obtain it and neither would it lessen the fact that this is the righteousness that is required of us by the Lord (see Matthew 7:13-14).
 
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It is also true that holy living goes largely unnoticed in this world (because it is boring). People are more inclined to notice sinful behaviour than the behaviour of someone who is actually living the Christian life the way they are supposed to.