How rich is too rich?

[Philip James]

Just another silly thread by Josho.

How rich is too rich? Is there any such thing?

Is being rich wrong?

How much is too much?

If someone is rich should he or she buy more expensive items to support better paid workers and keep more people in well paid jobs?

Without rich people, would there be less donations to help out the poor? Would there be less people writing out a million dollar cheques to give to charity? Would there be more poverty around the world or less?

If the world didn't have rich people, would there be less money being printed out?

In Australia there seem to be getting more and more people hitting a net worth of a Million dollars, and the millionaire list is growing larger and larger, also home loans are growing, and some are going on 30 year plans to pay it off, but once paid of many will have a net worth of a million dollars. Also in some parts, farms can cost a million+, to get one.

In the UK there are many with a net worth of 10 million dollars +, and I have heard apartments sell for 15 million dollars +, even $20m in some parts of London.

Also in countries like the UK, Italy, France, I believe the price of keeping manufacturing in their own countries is going up. And it's definitely something I have a bit of understanding of, but not a total understanding of though, because I don't employ any people, but in Australia there are plenty of extra costs to employ someone.

But when it comes to product manufacturing, people need to pay their bills, pay for their materials, make a profit, and make a living out of doing it, which is what justifies a higher price for products in countries like UK, Canada, Australia.

And also the fact that not every business owner is a fan of the mass-production business model.

Hi Josho,

It's not about what one has received, it's about what one does with that which they have received.

To him that has been given much, much is expected.

Peace!

 

[historyb]

I am going to sacrifice and volunteer to take all the rich people's money so they don't feel burdened

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Another question, do we need rich people to keep the national economy going well?

I’ve heard over and over during the pandemic that small business is the backbone of the U.S. economy. It’s not the huge corporations owned by billionaires.

 

[mjrhealth]

I don't know about you hahaha, but I personally would be terrified to borrow money for a house in London hahaha, imagine how expensive the repayments would be.

I refuse to pay for something that is not worth the money you are paying for it just because the market demands it, that is the way of the world, at least by renting we are supporting someone.

 

[mjrhealth]

I’ve heard over and over during the pandemic that small business is the backbone of the U.S. economy. It’s not the huge corporations owned by billionaires.

Its the big business that reap the profits off the back bones and raw hands of the workers of whom they do not care.

 

[Scoot]

Hi Josho,

It's not about what one has received, it's about what one does with that which they have received.

To him that has been given much, much is expected.

Peace!

Bingo! Too rich is when it gets someone to focus or put their trust in their riches instead of Christ. This will be different for each person - and for some, they may never reach that place at all.

In saying that - I believe there is a different between rich and wealth. You can have the best house and cars money can buy - but be a slave (in debt) and at the calling of those you're indebted to.

In the end though - @Josho I think the question should be more focused not on the amount, but rather how we conduct ourselves of stewards with the little or much of what we have.


(Also - just to tac on the end - I think there's a difference between rich and wealth. Rich - being money (cash in the bank), whereas wealth being substance of which to make an income from and support others as well - such as farmland, or a business, etc)

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I got mountain views all around me, I live on a lower part of a hill in the Eastern part of the Upper Yarra Valley about 1 and a half hours from Melbourne, but I am only 230m asl, but as I say that, the mountains outside my window are 1000m+ asl. So really this is the part of Victoria where mountains start to get higher, the further east you go, the higher they get, it's all part of the Great Dividing Range though.

Sounds like you’ve got it really tough, not! I would love to have a view of mountains!

 

[mjrhealth]

Sounds like you’ve got it really tough, not! I would love to have a view of mountains!

Ye but what we call mountains are only tiny hills on a lot of countries

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Ye but what we call mountains are only tiny hills on a lot of countries

I see. I couldn't understand all the metric measurements Josho was talking about. Americans tend to be ignorant of metrics, lol. Back in the day, there was a push to get us to learn the metric system, but to no avail.

I used to live close to mountains that are a few thousand feet high. Compared to the Rockies, these are relatively small, but beautiful.

 

[Josho]

What about moral purchasing?

This is an article from 2013, but I think something else like this was on my fb news feed recently, cannot find it though. There is probably another word for this, it's buying from small businesses, local businesses, but not limited to, it's making sure your cash doesn't support slave labour, or cheap labour, but it's making sure your cash supports well paid workers. I think the Pope said something else about this recently. In Australia we are lucky to earn more money than other countries, but there are still trades/jobs where you bust yourself for little money, I think about the cleaners, they are pretty low paid, but they work really hard. Same with bakers, low paid, but they work pretty hard, there is still some unfairness in Australia to how much some people earn compared to others.

Pope condemns Dhaka 'slave labour'

 

[Enoch111]

I think the Pope said something else about this recently.

If the Pope means business, he should divest the Vatican of all its enormous wealth, and invest it where the rubber meets the road. Pope Francis is all talk.

 

[prism]

When the abundance of riches reach a point where you trust in them rather than the living God, then it's too much.

 

[Josho]

So what about post #14 and #15 I think those 2 are valid points?

 

[prism]

So what about post #14 and #15 I think those 2 are valid points?

Right, being rich is not inherently sinful. As a matter of fact it takes a tremendous amount of faith to be excessively rich and still trust God.
Riches are also a tool which can be used for good or evil. (which I think was your point).

 

[Cristo Rei]

What mountains? Australia is pretty flat with a few ripples that act as watersheds for the river systems. A couple of years ago I crossed one such ripple that divided the Murry Darling River catchment area from the Lake Eyre River catchment area and the "mountain range" had an RL of only 175 metres and the saddle I passed through was around 150 metres above sea level. I think the river I crossed before the range actually disappears in a pebbly desert and then seeps out again to enter Lake Eyre, which is around 10 m below sea level.

I did live on a "mountain" at an RL around 675 metres and much of Australia is blow that RL.

Just a thought for you to consider. In QLD, the Great dividing range is nothing more than a plain when the water gets to make up its mind which way it flows depending on the direction of the wind.

Yea but mate, ur talking about SA and QLD, their baron landscapes.
Down in the south east the great divide peaks up to 2,228 meters. I know that every other continent on earth has bigger mountains than that.
But there are some landmasses with smaller mountains, i don't think Britain can to 2,228m.
We've only just got enough to enjoy skiing and snowboarding

 

[Cristo Rei]

Anyway it's just an example, I got no desire to live in a big city anyway..... I prefer the mountains.

I got mountain views all around me, I live on a lower part of a hill in the Eastern part of the Upper Yarra Valley about 1 and a half hours from Melbourne, but I am only 230m asl, but as I say that, the mountains outside my window are 1000m+ asl.

Ye, ye, ye rub it in why don't ya... I hate the concrete jungle.
What is it like on a clear night? Can u see heaps of stars?
We can't see many in the burbs. I love gazing at the stars when i go to the bush

 

[Cristo Rei]

I see. I couldn't understand all the metric measurements Josh was talking about. Americans tend to be ignorant of metrics, lol. Back in the day, there was a push to get us to learn the metric system, but to no avail.

I used to live close to mountains that are a few thousand feet high. Compared to the Rockies, these are relatively small, but beautiful.

Mate, you can't beat the metric system... Are you guys ever going to get on board or what?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Mate, you can't beat the metric system... Are you guys ever going to get on board or what?

LOL! I agree. The metric system is SO much easier to use than the English system--once you know it!

 

[Cristo Rei]

If the Pope means business, he should divest the Vatican of all its enormous wealth, and invest it where the rubber meets the road. Pope Francis is all talk.

Im not sure the RCC has that enormous wealth anymore.
After they created the Holy Roman Empire in 800AD the RCC exploded and dominated central Europe for 1000 years. The latter part of the Empires reign was when the RCC was the wealthiest.

In 1806 Napoleon finished off the Holy Roman Empire once and for all. The RCC lost just about everything and would spend over 100 years without a place to even call home. Italy was part of the Vatican but the Vatican then became part of Italy.

By the 1920's the Holy See was on it's knees. But Mussolini was sympathetic towards the RCC. Because of him the RCC was able to get full ownership of the Vatican with its own sovereign authority and jurisdiction.

Fast forward to the 60s and 70s when laws like abortion and no reason divorce were introduced. Where was the RCC lobby? If they have so much money then why did they stop using it to influence such things? They have plenty of assets for sure but not much more i think

 

[Cristo Rei]

LOL! I agree. The metric system is SO much easier to use than the English system--once you know it!

Im in engineering and i often receive American drawings. I have to make new drawings and covert all the imperial rubbish to metric.
I hate it but but I also know that uncle sam is actually helping to keep my job going, he is creating employment. loL

Like u guys have fractions on some tools like drills and decimal on other tools like mills its insane