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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Josho, Jun 26, 2020.

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  1. Josho

    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    So guys my main point of this thread, is yes we do need rich people in this world, as some people like talented craftsman, artists, airplane manufacturers, cargo ship manufacturers, helicopter manufacturers etc. they need rich people to survive. Some specialist tradesmen would simply not earn enough to make a living if it weren't for rich people doing business with them.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    Can someone make a big huge mining truck 50 thousand dollars? The answer is no they cannot. And that's why rich people are needed.
     
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    Matthew 6:24 (MEV)

    "No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
     
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    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    I would not call being very wealthy a blessing at all, more of a curse i would say, my mate coming on to be worth $10 million now is flat out working he has no time and worry 24/7 on the phone all day and night, he is trapped, but is it his ego that is ruling his life ? what other people may say ? or what ever, so what ! i say, i don't feel sorry for his plight.

    I can look back myself and say that all them years of my slugging it out was madness and i am glad i am out of it, I am the first one to say that I was a fool, i would sign the papers to send anyone like me off to the mental hospital just for getting involved in such a trade.

    That mate could get killed easy in his job, he was showing me footage of where he was going the next day, make one mistake and start sliding off the dirt road and you are gone with a D9 following you down off the mountain side.

    To be Poor well a lot who are is because they are dog lazy i have no time for that type of people.
    All nations that are poor are poor because they are idiots, they will never get out of such a hole that they have dug for themselves. one can look at the situation in depth and come to the conclusion that they will never get out of the hole that they have dug for themselves because they are lowlife, look at all the African tribes they are there own worst enemy, because they have no Grace, they are dog eat dog standover men degenerates backwards. not to mention that the culture in the west is heading that way, so if you deal with your fellow man that way that will be the result.

    How many times do you see some lowlife in some family sitting on their arse looking for handouts, family helping out the moron for years who just does not want to work, because he does not have a work ethic but will jump with malic to steal off anyone and sell drugs you name it, i have no time for such people at all.
    I have all the time in the world for good people who are struggling and have morals and honest. but cunning ruthless and malice criminal types can not be trusted at all. the world nowadays is empowering that type sadly and kicking the honest struggling people around in fact.

    So you get people looking at the poor lazy and criminal intent they have such pity on them, but then they look to the poor who work hard getting no were struggling to keep their head above the sewer and you see no compassion coming from such a struggle but they will screw such people over at the drop of a hat but embrace the criminal intent lowlifes, not to mention ask such a degenerate person what do they think and take it on board.
    What the wealthy degenerate does, he feeds the wrong group and gives power to grubs, rewards idiots and morons and kicks the good poor around, it's like a son that never bothered to a good fathers instructions and becomes the squeaky wheel and gets looked after and is embraced for being the degenerate. but the son who does his fathers will and struggles is ripped off and kicked around by all, it is he who is reaping all the sin being laden on him. so that good son ask his degenerate brother why don't you get you arse into gear and work for your bread, well degenerate says that he gets by, so why should be become a honest person and work like a fool being kicked around by everyone.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    'too rich' is watching people suffer and withholding goods and services from them.

    'too rich' is judging people for being poor.

    'too rich' is having so much money, you can leave change lying around your house, uncounted.

    'too rich' is asserting your entitlement.

    'too rich' is the disappointment felt from failing to serve two masters.

    Perhaps it is best to ask Jesus; yet, I fear Americans will not like his answer.
     
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    Being rich means that a person has time to consider their belly button and can reflect on the important thing of life.

    Within OT times being rich meant that you had many sheep, goats, camels, donkeys and children. It had nothing to do with money. Today our values are very distorted.
     
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    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    One has to go to scripture to determine what it means to be rich.

    Matthew 19:23 And Jesus said to His disciples, Truly I say to you that a rich man will with great difficulty enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

    Being rich can be a barrier to entering the kingdom of God. Jesus said that so it is the truth.

    Matthew 19:24 And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

    The eye of the needle referred to here is the small entrance to the city big enough for humans to go through which was beside the main gate that animals could go through. The fact is that the camel cannot go through a needle's eye so that means neither can a rich man enter the Kingdom of God.

    Luke 1:53 He filled the hungry with good things, and He sent the rich away empty.

    This shows God's care for the poor and the contempt for the rich.

    Luke 18:23 But having heard these things, he became very sad, for he was exceedingly rich which meant he loved his riches more than he loved salvation.

    From this reaction, it seems as Jesus did not hold out much hope for him.

    2 Corinthians 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that being rich, He became poor for your sake so that you might become rich by the poverty of that One.

    We know that Jesus was not rich in material goods so when it talks about Jesus making us rich it is obviously not money.

    Ephesians 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

    Here is a clue to what being rich is all about.

    1 Timothy 6:18 to do good, to be rich in good works, to be ready to share, generous,

    Here is another clue.

    James 2:5 Hear, my beloved brothers, did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to the ones loving Him?

    And here is another clue.

    Revelation 18:19 And they threw dust on their heads, and cried out, weeping and mourning, saying, Woe! Woe to the great city, by which all those having ships in the sea were rich, from her costliness, because in one hour she was ruined.

    Shows that riches can be lost in a single hour.

    Matthew 6:24 No one is able to serve two lords; for either he will hate the one, and he will love the other, or he will cleave to the one, and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and wealth.

    Jesus' own words so they are truth.

    The third richest person in Australia is a Christian, Andrew Forrest. I know he has set up a foundation to dish out money to charities and various needs. I know that is the way I would go were I rich financially. The interest on my riches would be given away all the time.

    I have a feeling that you don't need to be rich financially. Better that you are rich in those things indicated in scripture. What Jesus wants to do through you and for you doesn't need money but if he does bless you with riches, they are not for yourself. They are for the poor and needy which is close to God's heart.

    Some people do not seek riches. They just have the ability to create riches because of their talents and abilities which come from God.

    The worse form of amassing riches is the Christians who rob other Christians to enable them to build riches for their own use and pleasure. You know who I mean.

    It is not money as such that is the problem. It is the LOVE of money.

    And again it is not money that is the problem. It is a question of who do you serve God or money. You can't serve two masters.
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    Good one about the belly button. :p

    They also had gold and silver in OT times. An ounce of gold is very expensive now though, Moses must have had a bit to use in the making of the Tabernacle, which is why I won't judge some Church buildings. ;)
     
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    Josho Millennial Christian Staff Member

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    So it's not a sin to be rich and it's definitely not a sin to be poor, rich people can do some good with their money, Andrew Forrest a pretty good example @marksman brought up. It's greed and the love of money where people go wrong.

    Roger Federer is also known to donate quite a bit, I do not know if he is a Christian though.
     
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    there are people who live in the streets that are needy but that doesn't mean they are not greedy.

    the OP detracts from the fact that all that is required buy God is that one do right by thy neighbor. if you say you don't know what that is, then you're a liar.
     
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    I would love to be rich I hate not having money to do things.
     
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    I'm glad I'm not rich it's too much responsibility anyway
     
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    I wonder....how poor is poor enough?
     
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    That is simple to answer. We are poor if we are not poured into "a spiritual relationship with God."
     
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    And we are rich if we are. :)
     
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    I have seen Poor people do all that you have put as in the, too rich basket.
    That all sounds like a communist inspired point of view to me aspen.
    I have seen the poor asserting their entitlements all the time and judging everyone but themselves, not to mention stealing from others who are poor and down, many a time.

    Too rich from the Biblically correct point would be about the ego of one who put ones faith in worldly goods before God. that person is lost and takes pride in his own worldly works and others as such.

    St Frances embraced poverty, such is an interesting point of view that he expands on.
     
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    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    I believe he is a catholic and quite open about it.
     
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    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    I have just finished reading a book about the background to the New Testament Church after Pentecost and the Priests who ran life and the temple were very rich because they demanded all sorts of payments from the people. Apparently you never saw a poor priest. If you were poor and less than perfect they would not allow you into the temple.
     
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    Well... as I sit here reflecting on and considering my belly button... LOL ... THAT is a wonderful line.. and I think I am going to use it.

    I have a poverty mentality... I admit that... In the eyes of the world... I would be considered very poor... because I live on a monthly pension... so I literally live from paycheck to paycheck... HOWEVER... I consider myself RICH... I don't have much.... I could pack my entire belongings in the back of a car... I love living this way... It's simple... and it's practical... I saw a picture and read an article about a man and wife who decided it would be a good idea to come out of their MANSION...each holding a gun ... so as to PROTECT their property while some protesters were walking by... This picture was most disturbing to me... and the video that is circulating is even more so... as they are actually seen pointing their guns at the crowd.

    I don't find the rich RELATABLE... or even LIKEABLE to tell you the truth. How rich is too rich ??? There is no answer to that... Should Christians be rich ??? @Josho ... you and I had this conversation briefly when I first joined and made a comment about Jesse and his jet.
    So... I won't bother re-stating how I feel about rich Christians. LOL
     
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    That line puts the beggar on the same footing as a very rick person where both have no time to consider their belly button. The beggar, because he needs food and spends most of his time searching for it. The very rick man is driven to work every minute so that he can make more money. Because they become busy doing what they do, they then have no time to reflect on the important things of life.

    Time is not a luxury that we cannot find it. Time is always something that we should treasure so that we can build relationship using our time wisely and focusing on building good relationships with those who we rub shoulders with.

    But thanks any way for liking the expression. A friend told me the story of how to discern a pauper by the amount of time he has available to consider his navel. I am sure that someone else also told him the same line.

    Shalom
     
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