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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Josho, Jun 26, 2020.

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  1. Cristo Rei

    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    Man buns are silly these questions are very interesting.
    I've been thinking about this recently and im about to offer an opinion that people won't agree with i think...
    This what Jesus said about the rich...

    Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-24

    The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy,
    fits of rage,
    selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. Galatians 5:19-21

    The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. 1 Timothy 6:10

    So how much is to much? I don't know.
    If a person has $10,000 in the bank and keeps working is that selfish ambition?
    If a massive CEO has $500,000,000 sitting around and keeps making money, is that selfish ambition?
     
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    We're talking more about an equal distribution of wealth. As absolute power, corrupts absolutely, imposing and overwhelming wealth appropriated to one side, tends to cause monopolies and consequently, dissolution of the less established. But more fundamentally, as difficult as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, is it for a rich man to remain humble and focused on the Kingdom of heaven. The two, attainment of money, and that of spiritual growth, are at enmity with each other.
    One should seek wisdom over precious jewels or gold, nothing is more beneficial or glorious to a man (Proverbs 16:16, Proverbs 8:11).

    But also, if I've understood you correctly, you've created a false dichotomy by asking if 'there were no wealthy people, would the impoverished receive less assistance?'. If there weren't so many wealthy, that is, an imbalanced acquisition of wealth, there would be less poverty. Thus, a moot point. The two are not mutually exclusive, I believe.
     
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    I know, after all this time you'd think us North Americans would've caught up by now. I was in the trades for the longest while, and this 'competition' between the imperial and metric systems forced us to have duplicated tools, one in each system (drill bits, allen keys, ratchet sets, crescent wrenches, measuring tapes, ...)
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    The Bible says He wants us to prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers....my soul is VERY rich! Rich in His Word, His Spirit and His Mercy and Grace!
     
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    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    Duplicated tools is the norm over here, there is no use buying a set of metric spanners with out a set of imperial spanners as well

    Just three countries in the world still use the imperial system of measurements, the United States, Myanmar and Liberia
    Your in a great company of global superpowers... LoL
     
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    ...yes, the three of us, leaders of a new frontier, ...who would've thought? lol
     
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    Right. Theirs some preachers that are convinced that "Prosper" means money. It's an old medieval English word, it actually translates from the Greek word εὐοδόω and it means "Success". And it translates from the Hebrew word Hatzlocha also as "Success".

    Yochanah III 2 (OJB)

    "Chaver, it is my tefillah that all may be hatzlocha (successful) with you, and that you may be shalem b’guf (healthy), just as your nefesh (soul) is matsli’ach (successful)."

    King James translation:

    3 John 1:2 (KJV)

    "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."

    Newer translations fixes this.

    3 John 1:2 (MEV)

    "Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, even as your soul is well."

    3 John 1:2 (NIV)

    "Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well."
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    The medical profession evolved over the years and as of today they treat the whole person...meaning body, mind, and spirit....
    So in a hospital setting one of the admission questions is to ask the patient if they have any spiritual needs as well as physical and mental....research has shown that a person who has no spiritual beliefs in (God or Higher Power) tend to heal slower and get sick more often vs those who do believe....
    It also showed that a strong spiritual person tends to have a positive outlook and that also boosts healing.
     
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    Give me neither riches nor poverty!
     
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    Last night I watched a film about the kidnapping of John Paul Getty 3rd. And I would definitely say that his grandfather had too much money. It isn't really the money itself that is the problem but as the bible says it's the love of money. And boy did J P Getty love his billions. The money ruined him and his son and also his grandson's lives. He did not use it for good, he did not use it to bless but coveted every last penny. That is wrong, that is bad, that is not Godly. If we are blessed with a substantial amount of money then we should do some good with it.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    That's right sister!...I remember reading the scripture that states that God gives some the power to attain wealth...I prayed and asked God to give me that power to attain wealth and He said absolutely not... you cannot manage your money well enough at this time. So I do believe those who God gives the power to attain wealth were those who could manage it and not be corrupted by it.
     
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    I believe the exact same thing.
     
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    1 Timothy 6:17
    17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment
     
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    Too rich is when we can hurt someone and just walk away and it does not register or matter, because money fills in the gaps.
    So many pay for their children to be looked after and cared for, play god at work and get yes people to suck up to them, spend all their time working for the dream that will never come, dismiss their partners as trophies won on the promotional scale, who will be soon dumped for the next better looking version coming along the road. Nothing in their lives is real, and nothing touches them or means anything, other than what others think.
     
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    What happens when the mirror reflection is the lust of others for what they think you have, when it is all illusion and fake.
    Look at cars, more powerful than the drivers can handle, engineering that only racing drivers could use and appreciate, paint jobs that are like a mirror, yet must be kept hidden because it might get damaged, or stolen, or threatened. It is just a see of emotions, and yet like a passing dream evaporates until another lusting envious person comes along and wishes they could have what you have got. It is like being an emotional leech, living off the dreams of others as if that mean you must be having the dream yourself, except it is so bad, killing yourself seems a better option.

    Sadly I read of a billionaire who did exactly this.
     
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    If God makes one wealthy as they pursue Him, it is a good thing. They just need stay in touch with God on how to use their resources for the Kingdom. Apart from Biblical counsel (like Proverbs), there are no one-size-fits-all answers.

    Did you know that JC Penney (who had mansions, household servants, etc.) was said to be giving away 90% of his income and living off of just 10%?

    We are right on the poverty line. Any time we have a little extra money, we set it aside for house repairs or just general "rainy day" expenses. We wanted to find a way to give to Kingdom causes (beyond tithing) while maintaining the former and God gave us a strategy to do so.

    We refill our discretionary account to a fixed amount each month.
    If the previous month had unusual expenses, there is less available for giving.
    If the previous month had relatively lower expenses, then more is available for giving.​

    If one is wealthy because they serve Mammon, it is a bad thing. And it really doesn't matter how much (or little) wealth they actually have.
     
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    I think he is talking about the things at the Vatican which he does not understand that the paintings, statures, and such does not belong to the pope but to the people.
     
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    Ye i think i mentioned their assets. The RCC would be worth heaps if you google it i reckon because of their assets.
    All the churches and all that's in them would be priceless.
    The shroud of Turin, bodies of uncorrupted saints, priceless artifacts regardless if their fake or not.

    It's the money in the RCC bank account that isn't big. They've been open game for over 200 years.
    Now there are lobby groups with anti Christian agendas and we have no lobby groups
     
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    A mate asked me that not long ago as he and another mate are both each worth around the 10 million mark and set to make more, i said that point does not matter at all.
    A lot of people will claim that they have made a mile stone point when they hit the million mark, as that mate rang me and tolled me when he made the 1st million.
    Thing is that mate born in 1965 was brought up with the understanding that $1 million made one a very wealthy man in town so in 1967 $1 million was someone of much wealth, but in 2020 one with $1 million is a no body today, I even know some bludgers are worth that and many worth $2 million who are just lazy good for nothing wage earners and I know of one mate who's mum and dad is worth near $100 million, who live like as if they were broke, drive a cheap rubbish 1994 car, have a nothing house no air-con nothing, oh she got a flash washing machine that saves water side loader.
    People just get lost in the past, a mates mum drove a old 1967 Toyota around until about 1990 and bought a 1987 car and she said to me that if she knew how good the newer cars were she would of bought one years before.
    My wife's aunty is driving a 1969 car, had it from new and finds it hard to park she is in her 80's I said get a new car with Power steering, no will not.

    You will find that people who are wealthy mainly do not pay top $ for anything regardless as they understand value for money.

    Back in 1989 I said to a brake mob to do the job on my car and I said I do not care about the cost = don't skimp on cheap quality parts and to do such to the best of their ability for what my needs were, it's a real fast car and I drive it hard, I will leave it up to them as they claim to be the experts, well no ! not at all this mob were as thick as and got it all wrong, this and many such places have not a clue they would argue with me, no you don't want that as it will cost you more to maintain ? I could not give a rats at all about the extra expense at all because with what I want I can stop from 100mph in the same distance as a standard brakes car can from 60mph easy as and that's what I wanted, I did not drive a real fast car for nothing. I got the same belligerence with the engine, oh it's jetted to rich you could not afford to drive it like that they demanded, well I had driven it for 6 years and was totally happy with the fuel economy, the jetting was spot on and what this mob did made it gutless and use much more fuel. I could get 22mpg and it went down to 16.5 mpg at best on the highway.

    So you see how pathetic some so called experts can be.

    I was pointing out a 1973 car it was 20 year old at the time and that was the cars price it was going for and what I got back was, they were not even that new ! :rolleyes:o_O I was like our value of the dollar is not worth what it was clown. during 1973 and 1993 inflation was high, the same mentality was with a bloke who bought my dads house in 1973 and i was next door with my old mate when he introduced me to him and this is what the clown said boasting to me off the cuff that he had gained value by x amount in 1993, i did not want to expose his ignorance, yes he had done well but not to the point that he thought that he had in reality, because he is a simpleton.

    You know how Banks put forward dribble on TV showing a graph of how much you should have in super in 40 years and they see oh i will have a $ million :rolleyes: a $ million in 40 years will be worth nothing like it is today in fact.
     
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    It all comes down to your mental health status, and religious status. I’d rather be poor and have faith in God then to Be rich with No love / faith.
     
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