FACTS ABOUT ABORTION

[Stan B]

So I understand you to be saying that a non breathing human that has just been born is still a fetus?

Nope!! I am saying there is no such thing as a live non-breathing human being.

 

[Marymog]

May I suggest that we all ignore Stan B as he is determined to defend abortion and the lies that go with it. Apart from the fact that he always invades someone else threads rather than start his own so he is, to say the least, a coward as he does not have the courage of his convictions.

That is a fair suggestion. Scripture says toTake no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”

Since he has been roundly exposed maybe it is time to ignore him.

God bless

 

[Marymog]

Nope!! I am saying there is no such thing as a live non-breathing human being.

But they are human?

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

With an abortion the only blood being shed is the mother's blood

? No. Wrong

 

[Stan B]

But they are human?

No, they only have the potential of becoming human after they have been fully formed.

If you bought a new car, and when you went to pick it up they handed you a box full of nuts and bolts and tires. . . .

 

[Marymog]

No, they only have the potential of becoming human after they have been fully formed.

If you bought a new car, and when you went to pick it up they handed you a box full of nuts and bolts and tires. . . .

Ahhh...you want to play word games..

So a fully formed baby human comes out of the womb and is not breathing. Is it ok for medical staff to not give life saving breathes to it?

 

[Stan B]

Ahhh...you want to play word games..

So a fully formed baby human comes out of the womb and is not breathing. Is it ok for medical staff to not give life saving breathes to it?

I am not an expert in dealing with medical complications encountered in the birth process.

 

[Marymog]

I am not an expert in dealing with medical complications encountered in the birth process.

The question has nothing to do with being a medical expert but I get why you are dodging the question.

 

[Stan B]

The question has nothing to do with being a medical expert but I get why you are dodging the question.

The answer for that particular question is not given in Scripture. I just go with Scripture for this topic.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

The answer for that particular question is not given in Scripture. I just go with Scripture for this topic.

Exodus 23:7
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Proverbs 6:17
[The Lord hates] hands that shed innocent blood,
Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder.
Jeremiah 22:3
Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
Deuteronomy 19:10
Lest innocent blood be shed in your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, and so the guilt of bloodshed be upon you.
Deuteronomy 27:25
“‘Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Jeremiah 22:17
But you have eyes and heart only for your dishonest gain, for shedding innocent blood, and for practicing oppression and violence.”
Genesis 4:10
And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground.
Jeremiah 2:34
Also on your skirts is found the lifeblood of the guiltless poor;...
Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb...My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance;...
Psalm 94:21
They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...
Isaiah 59:7
Their feet run to evil, and they are swift to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; desolation and destruction are in their highways.
Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.
Psalm 127:3
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Psalm 10:8
He sits in ambush in the villages; in hiding places he murders the innocent. His eyes stealthily watch for the helpless;
Psalm 9:12
For he who avenges blood is mindful of them; he does not forget the cry of the afflicted.
Psalm 106:38
They poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.
Proverbs 24:11
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
Joel 3:19
“Egypt shall become a desolation and Edom a desolate wilderness, for the violence done to the people of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Jeremiah 7:6
If you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm
Numbers 35:33
You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.
Exodus 21:12
“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.
Isaiah 1:15
When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Proverbs 1:11
If they say, “Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood; let us ambush the innocent without reason;
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Whew!

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Exodus 23:7
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Proverbs 6:17
[The Lord hates] hands that shed innocent blood,
Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder.
Jeremiah 22:3
Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
Deuteronomy 19:10
Lest innocent blood be shed in your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, and so the guilt of bloodshed be upon you.
Deuteronomy 27:25
“‘Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Jeremiah 22:17
But you have eyes and heart only for your dishonest gain, for shedding innocent blood, and for practicing oppression and violence.”
Genesis 4:10
And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground.
Jeremiah 2:34
Also on your skirts is found the lifeblood of the guiltless poor;...
Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb...My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance;...
Psalm 94:21
They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...
Isaiah 59:7
Their feet run to evil, and they are swift to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; desolation and destruction are in their highways.
Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.
Psalm 127:3
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Psalm 10:8
He sits in ambush in the villages; in hiding places he murders the innocent. His eyes stealthily watch for the helpless;
Psalm 9:12
For he who avenges blood is mindful of them; he does not forget the cry of the afflicted.
Psalm 106:38
They poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.
Proverbs 24:11
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
Joel 3:19
“Egypt shall become a desolation and Edom a desolate wilderness, for the violence done to the people of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Jeremiah 7:6
If you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm
Numbers 35:33
You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.
Exodus 21:12
“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.
Isaiah 1:15
When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Proverbs 1:11
If they say, “Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood; let us ambush the innocent without reason;
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Whew!

 

[Stan B]

That has nothing to do with the question, which was what kind of medical procedures should be used in the case of a stillborn baby, whether CPR or whatever. The Bible does not give any instructions.

As for you shedding of innocent blood, it has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with murder, the unlawful killing of live being. A partially formed fetus is not a live being, and therefore cannot be murdered.

The law has aleady ruled that a fetus has no rights under the law, and the Bible has nothing to say about it other than perhaps that a fetus conceived from an adulterous relationship should be aborted.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

That has nothing to do with the question, which was what kind of medical procedures should be used in the case of a stillborn baby, whether CPR or whatever. The Bible does not give any instructions.

As for you shedding of innocent blood, it has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with murder, the unlawful killing of live being. A partially formed fetus is not a live being, and therefore cannot be murdered.

The law has aleady ruled that a fetus has no rights under the law, and the Bible has nothing to say about it other than perhaps that a fetus conceived from an adulterous relationship should be aborted.

My friend had to give birth to a still born baby. She’s still traumatised two decades later

 

[Stan B]

My friend had to give birth to a stillborn baby. She’s still traumatized two decades later

I know a number of people who have had miscarriages, but still went on to have other children. I have no idea how they feel about their experience, and have no plan to ask. If they had a need to tell, then I think they would have. They don't seem to have been at all effected by the experience, and guess that they weren't. They were too busy carrying their next child.

 

[Stan B]

With an abortion the only blood being shed is the mother's blood

? No. Wrong

The mother's blood is the only blood being pumped through a fetus, until the umbilical cord is severed.

 

[Stan B]

Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

You have quoted an abundance of irrelevant Scripture, which instead of proving your case does the opposite. If God had any problem with abortion, you could have merely quoted what God had to say on the matter, like "Thou shalt not abort the conception of thy womb". I think God is pretty smart, and could have figured that out, but instead focuses upon the fact that a fetus is an insignificant non-entity until HE breathes into it the breath of life a the moment of birth.

And is shedding of blood is an issue, then far less blood is shed from an abortion than from live birth.

And of course the most notable instance of shedding innocent blood occurred on Calvary.

 

[Marymog]

Exodus 23:7
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Proverbs 6:17
[The Lord hates] hands that shed innocent blood,
Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder.
Jeremiah 22:3
Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
Deuteronomy 19:10
Lest innocent blood be shed in your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, and so the guilt of bloodshed be upon you.
Deuteronomy 27:25
“‘Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Jeremiah 22:17
But you have eyes and heart only for your dishonest gain, for shedding innocent blood, and for practicing oppression and violence.”
Genesis 4:10
And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground.
Jeremiah 2:34
Also on your skirts is found the lifeblood of the guiltless poor;...
Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb...My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance;...
Psalm 94:21
They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you...
Isaiah 59:7
Their feet run to evil, and they are swift to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; desolation and destruction are in their highways.
Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.
Psalm 127:3
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Psalm 10:8
He sits in ambush in the villages; in hiding places he murders the innocent. His eyes stealthily watch for the helpless;
Psalm 9:12
For he who avenges blood is mindful of them; he does not forget the cry of the afflicted.
Psalm 106:38
They poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.
Proverbs 24:11
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
Joel 3:19
“Egypt shall become a desolation and Edom a desolate wilderness, for the violence done to the people of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Jeremiah 7:6
If you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm
Numbers 35:33
You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.
Exodus 21:12
“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.
Isaiah 1:15
When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Proverbs 1:11
If they say, “Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood; let us ambush the innocent without reason;
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Whew!

Very powerful. Thank you!

 

[Behold]

Nope!! I am saying there is no such thing as a live non-breathing human being.

Tell that to Jesus in the womb.

 

[Stan B]

Tell that to Jesus in the womb.

Did I miss something revealed in Scripture??

The message in Scripture is that He gave up His entire Godhood, and became flesh like the rest of us. Did you have something in mind that would refute that??

 

[Behold]

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